misfits and the mentally ill vs capitalism

[Christ_empowered]

It seems that being mentally ill wasn't always this terrible. Even before the psych meds came on board, if you had a family that would deal with you (and families were stronger back in, say, the 40s, pre-Thorazine), things were OK. Maybe you'd never be employed at anything high level, but whatever...

...that was before society starting calling the mentally ill "losers," you know? Before capitalism and materialism became so intense that humble, simple living became unacceptable. Also, back then, it seems that mentally ill people recovered more often, especially if they were in rehabilitation programs. Seriously. The anti-psychiatry people blame the psychiatric meds for lowering rates of recovery. I blame society and the economy.

I'm no commie, but I've suffered, as a mentally ill person, because of the US hyper-capitalism. You fall off the track to success, hit 25, you're a loser. BAM! Now and forever and ever, amen. We put our mentally ill in prisons and jails these days. They say its because they're mentally ill. I say its because mentally ill usually=poor, which in America=pain and oppression.

One thing I like about a lot of Christians is that they'll accept that you're a lil bit...off. Mentally ill? Sure. Child of God? Absolutely. Being unemployed due to a mix of mental illness and social stigma isn't the same as being unemployed by choice or whatever. I live in The Bible Belt, and things are particularly rough. Because I'm lucid, write well, and have social skills, I can't be schizophrenic. Seriously. Because I'm recovering, I never was schizophrenic, apparently. Some kind of "personality disorder." He gets disability because he's too lazy. He should move into a beat up trailer and take high dose thorazine. How much Haldol is he on? These are real comments I've heard, time and time again, in my community (for the record, I'm a voluntary outpatient who takes Abilify)>

I'm starting to realize that I may never work. I like Liberty, I enjoy my classes, but...work? I dunno, you guys. Maybe...one day. No matter. I may never "amount to anything," but life itself is valuable and meaningful.

That is my rant for the night.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

You can do my dishes. It's not much of a job, but it's daily pay($5up) and a place to stay.
I'm 'nobody' though, so if the law or the doctors or the businesses say "take him" (of me or of you), there's no one to stop them. No one. I accept that, and in Christ Jesus have Perfect Peace and Contentment in ABBA. literally no worries.(even in jail).
People think 'work' is 9 yo 5.
Or 'for' somebody -some company.......
The real work is first and always relying faithfully on the son of Yhwh and abiding in Him.
Then , doing what He says(and there's plenty!). Often for others for free, with no obligation. Every day.

 

[brother Paul]

Apples and bears....

 

[jasonc]

It seems that being mentally ill wasn't always this terrible. Even before the psych meds came on board, if you had a family that would deal with you (and families were stronger back in, say, the 40s, pre-Thorazine), things were OK. Maybe you'd never be employed at anything high level, but whatever...

...that was before society starting calling the mentally ill "losers," you know? Before capitalism and materialism became so intense that humble, simple living became unacceptable. Also, back then, it seems that mentally ill people recovered more often, especially if they were in rehabilitation programs. Seriously. The anti-psychiatry people blame the psychiatric meds for lowering rates of recovery. I blame society and the economy.

I'm no commie, but I've suffered, as a mentally ill person, because of the US hyper-capitalism. You fall off the track to success, hit 25, you're a loser. BAM! Now and forever and ever, amen. We put our mentally ill in prisons and jails these days. They say its because they're mentally ill. I say its because mentally ill usually=poor, which in America=pain and oppression.

One thing I like about a lot of Christians is that they'll accept that you're a lil bit...off. Mentally ill? Sure. Child of God? Absolutely. Being unemployed due to a mix of mental illness and social stigma isn't the same as being unemployed by choice or whatever. I live in The Bible Belt, and things are particularly rough. Because I'm lucid, write well, and have social skills, I can't be schizophrenic. Seriously. Because I'm recovering, I never was schizophrenic, apparently. Some kind of "personality disorder." He gets disability because he's too lazy. He should move into a beat up trailer and take high dose thorazine. How much Haldol is he on? These are real comments I've heard, time and time again, in my community (for the record, I'm a voluntary outpatient who takes Abilify)>

I'm starting to realize that I may never work. I like Liberty, I enjoy my classes, but...work? I dunno, you guys. Maybe...one day. No matter. I may never "amount to anything," but life itself is valuable and meaningful.

That is my rant for the night.

since mental retardation runs in my family and my aunt went into hiding during the 40's. I disagree. they also were worse off in the 19th century.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

yes, some (most?) were treated very poorly by society .... some families were wealthy enough and did what is right in keeping them home and caring for them instead of institutionalizing or imprisoning them. (or provided a caring kind school/group home environment different from the hard cruel ones)
some places in the world, some few societies, even may have treated them gently as fellow members / real people.... but that was rare....

 

[jasonc]

yes, some (most?) were treated very poorly by society .... some families were wealthy enough and did what is right in keeping them home and caring for them instead of institutionalizing or imprisoning them. (or provided a caring kind school/group home environment different from the hard cruel ones)
some places in the world, some few societies, even may have treated them gently as fellow members / real people.... but that was rare....

my aunt is better now and can work. keeping her home is exactly what my grandparents did. they didn't want the government to force a lobomoty. but my aunt didn't improve nor could speak nor work until the 80's. my youngest sister is worse. she will never be able to speak, read or work. she could talk a lot more years ago but not much more, she was abused in a home. my parents couldn't handle her then nor today. she today still bites herself, so what would you have suggested? a restraint chair?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

my aunt is better now and can work. keeping her home is exactly what my grandparents did. they didn't want the government to force a lobomoty. but my aunt didn't improve nor could speak nor work until the 80's. my youngest sister is worse. she will never be able to speak, read or work. she could talk a lot more years ago but not much more, she was abused in a home. my parents couldn't handle her then nor today. she today still bites herself, so what would you have suggested? a restraint chair?

I don't know if that's a rhetorical question or not? There's simple natural ways and helps that you cannot find 'officially', that when given to people who had been 'imprisoned' for 20 plus years (in a mntl place, or perhaps(not iknown) in a jail), allowed them to lead a practically 'normal'(what's normal after all!?) life at home with others/family/helpers/aides... ... ...
These helps are still not popular with the government(ECONOMIC, political or medical or religious or phrmk or societal) and everything, EVERYthing that they can do to suppress them is and has been done already, including totally bogus studies, reports, 'expert' conclusions, AND LAWS against them.

it goes back to what Yeshua says "seek, and ye shall find" ... ... ... .. (whatever you seek and keep seeking for, you will find; good or bad)

 

[jasonc]

my aunt Jackie was raised kosher, and that was before gmo's. kindly explain that one. my sister renee? not kosher, but my mom did eat too much but generally wasn't a bad eater then. just ate too much. so by eating veggies one can increase ones iq? renee couldn't talk at age 2 and said her first words ate age 9. she talked with broken sentences. now she says limited words. yes ,no. and smiles if she likes it. that is it.

renee also couldn't walk until she hit close to two nor did she babble as most babies do, at that age she was a concern.

unless are going to say that being kosher isn't enough, which I know you cant. my aunt is a jew, I didn't mention that fact on a purpose. because that was to show that despite being kosher one would still get ill.my dad is also epileptic and had is first seizure in the 60's at age 15. he too was kosher then.

 

[Kathi]

It seems that being mentally ill wasn't always this terrible. Even before the psych meds came on board, if you had a family that would deal with you (and families were stronger back in, say, the 40s, pre-Thorazine), things were OK. Maybe you'd never be employed at anything high level, but whatever...

...that was before society starting calling the mentally ill "losers," you know? Before capitalism and materialism became so intense that humble, simple living became unacceptable. Also, back then, it seems that mentally ill people recovered more often, especially if they were in rehabilitation programs. Seriously. The anti-psychiatry people blame the psychiatric meds for lowering rates of recovery. I blame society and the economy.

I'm no commie, but I've suffered, as a mentally ill person, because of the US hyper-capitalism. You fall off the track to success, hit 25, you're a loser. BAM! Now and forever and ever, amen. We put our mentally ill in prisons and jails these days. They say its because they're mentally ill. I say its because mentally ill usually=poor, which in America=pain and oppression.

One thing I like about a lot of Christians is that they'll accept that you're a lil bit...off. Mentally ill? Sure. Child of God? Absolutely. Being unemployed due to a mix of mental illness and social stigma isn't the same as being unemployed by choice or whatever. I live in The Bible Belt, and things are particularly rough. Because I'm lucid, write well, and have social skills, I can't be schizophrenic. Seriously. Because I'm recovering, I never was schizophrenic, apparently. Some kind of "personality disorder." He gets disability because he's too lazy. He should move into a beat up trailer and take high dose thorazine. How much Haldol is he on? These are real comments I've heard, time and time again, in my community (for the record, I'm a voluntary outpatient who takes Abilify)>

I'm starting to realize that I may never work. I like Liberty, I enjoy my classes, but...work? I dunno, you guys. Maybe...one day. No matter. I may never "amount to anything," but life itself is valuable and meaningful.

That is my rant for the night.

Just because a person is not employed does not mean they will not "amount to anything" their are many reasons why people can not be employed.You have to look at the whole picture.Why can that person not work?That is what God does.Looks at the whole picture.

 

[for_his_glory]

When people are told they can't then they won't as they eventually believe they can not and refuse to try. God says all things are possible because I give you power to overcome the enemy.

I grew up poor, but always had food on the table, clothes on my back and a roof over my head. I learned to use my imagination from an early age as we did not have much for toys to play with. We were on welfare as my father injured his back and one leg falling off a flatbed truck he used to drive for a living. My mother had eight kids to take care of and didn't go to work until we were all in school. We were always taunted by other kids as they called us welfare babies and this caused a lot of physical fights between me and them. My own father tried to drum it into our heads that we would never amount to anything, but later on in life we proved him and others wrong. The only thing holding one back is themselves if they truly are capable of working. There is no job that needs to be beneath us if we truly want to work. I worked as a cashier for over 30 years until I had to go on disability. If I wasn't married and not receiving disability checks I would be forced to go back to work in some capacity. Even those with mental health issues can work depending on the severity of their issues.

Like Kathi said, you have to look at the whole picture.

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.