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[cj]

...... I will....... if you will inform....... Well?

Orthodoxy

Ooohh boy.

Wonderful christian approach isn't it.


In love,
cj

 

[John the Baptist]

Poor guy! But 'i' guess the subject is the thread 'moderators', huh???

Anyway, we got plenty of them, guys. (gals) :fadein:

Yet, we still see freedom of speech pretty much.

Personally speaking, I find all bible subjects very much a 'one' bible thread.
How can a mod (or you) tell us that Adam was perfect at creation & then we see God testing him to see if he was perfect?? Or at least, O.S.A.S.
Most likely, most here are Baptist, or at one time leaned that way? So we see this subject 'freely' debated heavily! Pluss the other 'doctrinal mistakes', without censorship.

Just another thought of of mine, is that one might just leave off the name being in judgement by the posting one, and stick only to the 'subject'! Would I be nice by telling you by name that you are going to burn in hell eternally, if that was my belief? You know, I don't believe this doctrine, sooo.. that would mean that I have eternal punishment ahead of me. :

My bottom line:
Again.. I see the Bible 'thread' as a WHOLE, (2 Timothy 3:16 & Matthew 4:4 & 1 Corinthians 14:32) one Subject which is hard to break into fragramts! (man does this, not God & the mod's have a fit with this I suspect?? as well as others!) It is the Everlasting Gospel, no fragments! Case in point. Prayer has a CONDITION to be met, before God responds! Matthew 4:4-7. Where was this written & what 'thread' does it fall under???

Second bottom line:
Again.. Your message is what I am talking about! :o
The mods here do a pretty good job. I suspect as long as we see ownership with a perhaps A+ understanding of censorship, the mods will be kept in check! But yes, surely, there are some here that will quickly restrict religous freedom if & when given the opportunity.

---John

 

[stovebolts]

Orthodoxy,
I believe that this was your third or fourth post on this site... I've bolded what caught my eye when you first posted this.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... c&start=45

Orthodox Christian,

Thank you for the welcome.

Naw I do not expect anyone to truely understand except for another orthodox Christian.
I think the fact Jesus gave full authority of His Father to a community of people called the Church is a valid debating point since the heterodox believe the Holy Scripture is the final authority. After one shows them this belief is phooney they will contend the multi personality of the holy spirit is the final authority yet this holy spirit agrees on nothing and has nothing in common but to say "cant we all just get along?"

My contention and assursion is the heterodox God is not God at all but a good imitation. That the "believe" version of Jesus is an imposter and not Jesus at all.

Anyway my style will probably rankle you but I am here to bust a few heterodox myths.
Good to see an orthodox christian on this site.

In Christ,

Orthodoxy

Here is your first Post... Again, I have highlighted what caught my eye.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... ht=#170349

Hi Everyone,

I am Orthodox and I noticed some orthodox christians in this thread so I thought this would be a good place to enter this forum.

Before I join the fray how many orthodox christians are there active in this forum?

Seems some of you are just as frustrated as I am in these forums. Fact is I was just banned from a site for stating if Jesus Christ is God and He has a Body on the Earth then the Church is God in the Flesh. Jesus Christ is the Church and the Church is Jesus Christ. I totally understand this is a major reach and much to deep for the heterodox but I would like to place this before my brethren on this site. Am I wrong in saying the Holy Orthodox Church is Jesus Christ (God) on the Earth in the Flesh?

Archon of Orthodoxy

As we know the path is narrow. Fact is I think the path is one step wide. When Jesus said "will I find faith?" speaking of His return I think make even more your point that the Orthodox path is the narrow path and few will find it. Take comfort in our lack of numbers. Focus on those that question to learn not those that question to entrap. There will be many that walk away from the heterodox dog and pony show and will seek out the truth when they see the home alone version of the Church is shallow and unfruitful. These are the ones that will be hungry for the meat of the word found in the Holy Orthodox Church.
Take comfort and standfast in the faith delievered by the Saints.

Let the games begin!

Orthodoxy

We reap what we sow... And I am personally thankful that we are allowed the freedom that we have on this site. Without it, we would be stagnet.

It appears to me that you knew the answers you would get before you sought to teach the truth you know. You certainly fullfilled your quest as history repeats itself. You really shouldn't be surprised at the results you have received.

This is not a game my friend. It never has been. I honestly wish you peace.

In Christ,
Jeff

 

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[stovebolts]

Orthodoxy,
I can only speak for myself, and not for others. First, I would like to say thank you for not spitting at me.

Regarding rotton fruit,

There will be many that walk away from the heterodox dog and pony show and will seek out the truth when they see the home alone version of the Church is shallow and unfruitful. These are the ones that will be hungry for the meat of the word found in the Holy Orthodox Church.

It's not always about what you say, but how you say it. Like yourself, I have invested my life into serving the Lord in the manner which I know and have been taught. Then, here you come calling my faith and understand a dog and pony show... and I am to respond in kindness? are we to open our arms and give you a big hug and thank you for your loving approach?

Jeff, Yes I knew exactly what I would get in this forum and read those posts and that is what I got. Evasive, coy protestant rhetoric that my "Holy Spirit" is to stupid to understand the heterodox rhetoric and prognostications. I must be a prophet.

You got this from some, not all. Do not paint all Prot's with the same brush and if you do, then paint it in humility and kindness. For one, I have not called you stupid (it would be stupid for me to do so). Secondly, why would you enter a den of what you call wolves knowing that they were wolves? Common sense tells me to get out of the wolves den...

Jeff, must you have such a critical heart that would dissect and dismember my every word. Ok let the "fun" begin. Is that better or am I not to have fun while my fruit is rotting? I am at peace knowing I confess the historical faith delievered by the saints 2000 years ago and preserved in the Holy Orthodox Church.

I can only speak what I see. I am sorry if it offends you. Know that I say it to uplift you that you might grow further in Christ. I do not speak here to tear you down or supress you. Personally, I don't find it fun to put other people down or look for their faults and call their arrogance out for all to see.

WHat I resent is people such as your self telling me my fruit is rotten and implying I have no peace so they much wish their version of peace upon me. Condesending. You bet.

Orthodoxy, we all have rotton fruit, each and every one of us. And we should all seek peace on a daily basis with the God we know. If you find that condesending, I am sorry. There is nothing more I can say.

Jeff when you lose the condesending crapola maybe you can then be a brother. The fact is you do not holdfast to what was delievered. This is my yardstick and the yardstick of the Church:

You mean, when I uproot my family and start attending an Orthodox Church, I will become a Brother to you. Oh yes, everyone just up and join the Orthodox Church because Kryle (sorry for mis-spelling your name) put us all down and told us how insignificant our faith is. This is no different than some baptist going on the corner of 1st and main and yelling out "Yer all going to hell, yer all sinners" in my honest opinion.
Do you not take these things into account? Again, I've not had much of a problem with your message, it's more of your delivery method.

As I have stated: who is my brother but one that does the will of God. It is my contention that thoses outside the body of Christ are not doing the will of God but only doing their will. Merry, Heidi, von, cj and solo are proof of this for they spew only their own understanding.

All any of us can do is spew our own understanding. I understand it this way because xxx. You understand it that way because xxx. Now, is it really a matter of being right, or is it a matter of understanding where the other person is at and building off that?

The things I have stated about the Holy Orthodox Church are true and not my understanding but the Church's understanding throughout time passed down to us by the fathers. You see I dont relay my own opinion but an opinion that can be traced through the Church and backed up by many writtings of the saints. If I was to quote these men they would be rejected by the heterodox because it is "not the bible" so I do not quote them. I use the bible as my sword alone because that is the only source that a protestant will accept as truth and no other.

They may be true, that I cannot decide as I do not know the Orthodox's understanding like you do. However, it's the means of relaying that information. You should know Heidi by now. If you insight her anger, then you should know what to expect back from Heidi when you push her buttons. Is this what you call fun? Heidi has learned when to walk away and I have a lot of respect for my Sister in Christ. She is as ambitious as you are to share with others the truth in Christ that she knows.
As far as using the Bible as your sword, that is a wise choice for more reasons that I wish to relay at this time.

If you were my brother then we would be in agreement. Orthodox Christian and I are brothers, why? because he confesses the same faith without reservation that I do. You do not because you reject the Church outright and make the Church "your own".

I can only speak from what I know from experience. I have one biological brother and 4 step brothers and 1 step sister. I also have 2 half sisters and 1 half brother. I can tell you this, we do not all agree and I have the stitches to prove it both in my hand, and in my lip. But when the rubber meets the road, I can depend on my brothers and my sister to be there when I need them.

Orthodox Christian does the will of my Father. You I do not know.

Know? Sorry for being stupid here. Know, and in you do not know me as a Brother? Or know, as in know if I do the will of the Father?

If it be know me as a Brother, then you should treat me not as a fallen Brother (heathen, tax collector). If you do not know if I am doing the fathers will, then measure my by the fruits of the Spirit.

In peace,

Jeff

 

[John the Baptist]

John here: Is this below what was being complained to the mods about? Is it on the thread subject of the 'moderators'??? It seems to be going all over the place! Do I dare give the verse by Christ in John 10:16 & His Word in Revelation 18:4?? What is being talked of here, a brother or a fold???

And this post is using bible??? God/Forbid!
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"As I have stated: who is my brother but one that does the will of God. It is my contention that thoses outside the body of Christ are not doing the will of God but only doing their will. Merry, Heidi, von, cj and solo are proof of this for they spew only their own understanding.

The things I have stated about the Holy Orthodox Church are true and not my understanding but the Church's understanding throughout time passed down to us by the fathers. You see I dont relay my own opinion but an opinion that can be traced through the Church and backed up by many writtings of the saints. If I was to quote these men they would be rejected by the heterodox because it is "not the bible" so I do not quote them. I use the bible as my sword alone because that is the only source that a protestant will accept as truth and no other. "

 

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[John the Baptist]

John here: I will highlight my remarks in bold.
You say:

"Yes you are using the bible as witchcraft to get a true Christian to denounce his orthodox faith and return to his vomit. Sorry this Orthodox Christian will not compromise the truth to feed on the vomit of a rebellion.

Witchcraft? John 10:16 (these are not my Words)
Christ states that He has other sheep!! And yes, He is not in the 'fold' that they are inside of & yoked to, yet, He still recognizes them as His 'SHEEP'! And you say that this is witchcraft! And that is your un/comprising teaching. Do you understand the difference between one living the best of their knowledge & then one living with only this knowledge? See Matthew 23:3.

Saint John Chrysostom, Martyr for Christ

“Do not hold aloof from the Church; for nothing is stronger than the Church. The Church is thy hope, thy salvation, thy refuge.â€Â

"Enter into the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed again to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent."

Saint Irenaeus of Lyons Martyr for Christ

About saint Irenaeus. He could be in the class above. Perhaps he died in, & lived the faith that he had knowledge of? But, as far as 'The Church' goes? there were those of Romans 2:14-15 that had never even heard of any church, or even understood who Christ was, they were accountable only as far as they had 'known' knowledge of & lived.

“We ought not to seek among others the truth, which we may have for asking from the Church. For in Her, as in a rich treasure house, the Apostles have laid up in its fullness all that pertains to the truth, so that whosoever seeks, may receive from Her the food of life. She is the door of life.â€Â

Saint Silouan of Mount Athos

This statement of Saint Silouan?? It would amount to blasphemy if one leaves out the conditions for eternal life that the Everlasting Gospel holds out in front of us! There should be a true fold that goes by the Everlasting Gospel & Covenant conditions.
We see in Psalms 69:20-28 that this 1/2 'g'ospel type of posting becomes a 'TRAP'! And verse 25? The Word DESOLATE is seen! Also see Matthew 23:38 for Christ's one time True Virgin Fold.

David was 'inspired' to say that the 'table' (where one was to be fed, church) became a 'snare before them'! v.22. And surely it is not witchcraft understanding that verse 21 is seen in refereing to the Master's.. "They gave me gall ... and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink." [/b]

You say: “He lives in us and in the sacraments of the Church, and leads us where we shall behold His Glory. But this glory shall each man behold according to the measure of his love.†This needs some scripture as well???

And about who it is that is guilty? See Christ's Words of John 9:41.
What more can one be accountable for than what one either knows or what they could know?? Try Luke 12:47-48
No. I see a call to follow Christ & then His doctrine. But you have posted no biblical doctrine to follow as of yet, to my knowledge??? If you want one to convert to this doctrine, surely it must be discussed in detail! --John

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[Merry Menagerie]

Orthodoxy I have tried very hard to speak to you in a respectful manner and all I've ever gotten from you is condescending attitude complete with name calling. Now I've actually dealt with people like you before, it was on a parenting sight and they were all catty housewives who were bored - none of them were Christian. They ended up being barred from the site after pushing most of us away from the site with the 'cattiness'.

Coming onto a Christian forum such as this, I expected things to be different. But, sadly, I'm finding the same nasty attitudes here. And this saddens me.

Thessalonian and I, although we have our differences, have not resorted to calling each other names and being rude to each other. For that I give Thess credit, I'm sure I've tested her a few times on here..but she's remained quite calm in her attitude. Despite our differences we have been able to have civil discussions. For that, I'm grateful.

I'm sorry that you and I cannot do the same. But I live in hope

Moderators: if Orthodoxy still has me on ignore, could you please pass on this message to him - thank you

 

[lovely]

Orthodoxy,

I am not mod of apologetics. I do not get a chance to read every thread, but I am truly sorry if you feel you are not being protected here properly. I would like to remind you that you should go privately to the mods when you have an issue with them...this is in the terms of service. I will be more mindful in the future of the things you have brought up here, but I would like you to please be mindful of the way we do things to try and keep order. Please message me, or any other mod, if you have concerns that need to be brought to our attention. I am not perfect, but I will listen, and make an effort to please God in the situation.

We, as believers, should try to be above reproach in all matters, conforming to he image of Christ. It is best, if we remember that we are to love our others as we do ourselves. We all make mistakes, but as God has forgiven us, so shall we forgive others.

Please, lets all give each other grace.

I hope this thread gets locked.

The Lord bless you.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodoxy,

I am not mod of apologetics. I do not get a chance to read every thread, but I am truly sorry if you feel you are not being protected here properly. I would like to remind you that you should go privately to the mods when you have an issue with them...this is in the terms of service. I will be more mindful in the future of the things you have brought up here, but I would like you to please be mindful of the way we do things to try and keep order. Please message me, or any other mod, if you have concerns that need to be brought to our attention. I am not perfect, but I will listen, and make an effort to please God in the situation.

We, as believers, should try to be above reproach in all matters, conforming to he image of Christ. It is best, if we remember that we are to love our others as we do ourselves. We all make mistakes, but as God has forgiven us, so shall we forgive others.

Please, lets all give each other grace.

I hope this thread gets locked.

The Lord bless you.

Tell it to the vipers on this forum.

Luke 16:31