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Modern Day Prophets & Apostles

That is it guy's I am weary of any future telling Prophets of today. I think that I am trying to finally study this stuff, and now is a good time to do it right here on this board. I want to put this Prophet & Apostle thing in it's proper perspective and learn the truth about this thing. And rest my mind with it. And I am well aware of 1 Cor 13.
Thats the best way take your time research read consider and dont believe everything you see.Our modern day prophets have been replaced a lot with profit$ selling books, it makes it harder for the genuine ones because of the skepticism. but i actually believe that other prophecy.. why not!
 
Thanks Chris, so guy's if you know something that I don't know pour it on. I also want to hear some stomp down opinions on this subject.
 
ok let me look them up for you.

deut 10:16, and also ezekiel 44:7 and also in jeremiah 4:4 so you do win.

some of these mention the idea of circumision of the heart.

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer.

Ezekiel 44:7
In addition to all your other detestable practices, you brought foreigners uncircumcised in heart and flesh into my sanctuary, desecrating my temple while you offered me food, fat and blood, and you broke my covenant.

Jeremiah 4:4
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, circumcise your hearts, you men of Judah and people of Jerusalem, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done--burn with no one to quench it.

Romans 2:28-29
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing this with me Jason!
 
moving on. look for this in the ot as well.

one prophet said it

but we always quote paul

"eye hath not seen, nor ear heard of the things prepared by God for them that follow him"
 
moving on. look for this in the ot as well.

one prophet said it

but we always quote paul

"eye hath not seen, nor ear heard of the things prepared by God for them that follow him"

I know this one! (I think)

It was one of the major Prophets....

Isaiah?
 
I know this one! (I think)

It was one of the major Prophets....

Isaiah?

and pull up the verse and he always said one more that we christian often use agaisnt the athiests.

"that every knee shall bow and tounge confess that jesus christ is lord"
isiah said it this way .. every tounge confess that I the lord am God of isreal.
 
and pull up the verse and he always said one more that we christian often use agaisnt the athiests.

"that every knee shall bow and tounge confess that jesus christ is lord"
isiah said it this way .. every tounge confess that I the lord am God of isreal.

This is fun :D
 
Okay, I really gotta log off though. I'm wasting time on this forum and I have a history paper due tomorrow (which I haven't even started) :lol
 
Why has this subject went off topic ?

what the lords doesnt know of the unity of the ot-nt fully and craig said that the ot prophets change the law, when in fact they didnt.

i showed her the unity that the bible has.

and what the ot prophets did have the same type of works as the modern gift does(speak on god's behalf)
 
Okay, I really gotta log off though. I'm wasting time on this forum and I have a history paper due tomorrow (which I haven't even started)
:lol
Isnt it so easy to do though assignments are so booring procrastination so enticing. That was me to last week before exams. At least bible study is historical i guess.
 
Here is a article that I found

<table width="625" border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="515" align="center">Are there modern-day prophets?
HOW can we know if God sent them?


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<table width="520" align="left" border="0"> <tbody><tr> <td> Q. One of my Bible study students asked about present day prophets. Since prophecy is one of the spiritual gifts given to believers, shouldn't we have prophets today? If so, HOW would we know if they are true prophets of God?

(Submitted by: R. A. K.)
A. There is hardly a biblical terminology that has captured man's religious concepts and imaginations more than the word prophecy, prophesying or prophets. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible has these three words respectively: #4394, Greek propheteia (prophecy), #4395, propheteuo (prophesying) and # 4396, prophetes (prophet).
A number of Scriptures make reference to this subject which is not always crystal clear. In 1Corinthians 14:26-40 we find references to those words mingled with the speaking in tongues, revelations, etc.

"How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. . . . Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. . . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order." (1Corinthians 14:26, 29-32, 37-40, KJV)

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> It is widely understood that prophesying does not necessarily mean predicting the future, but it can mean speaking with inspiration, as a sermon can be, when God genuinely inspires it. Godly instruction in Christian living would then be the essence of that prophesying, rather than a prediction for the future. One could not necessarily call such a preacher a prophet. An eminent example is found in Paul's habitual preaching of an apostle as he was, rather than a prophet:

"And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power," (1Corinthians 2:4)

Jesus did also refer to the same demonstration of the Spirit, in the last evening He spent with His disciples, before His crucifixion:

"the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:17)

"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall sent to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me." (John 15:26)

In possibly the most authoritative chapter in the matter of prophecy, Apostle Paul addressed the subject of Spiritual gifts of which, prophecy, is one of them. The various gifts are listed one by one:

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the discerning of spirits, to another different kind of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

"And God has appointed these in the Church: First apostles, second prophets, third teachers, and after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way." ( 1Corinthians 12:7-11, 28-31)

First of all consider the last part of this Scripture just quoted: Apostle Paul, who was directly trained by Jesus Christ, significantly asks the question, "Are all prophets…?.", etc. That alone ought to prompt us to question them or their claims.

In 1Thessalonians 5:21 Paul says, "test all things . . .". To take particular note that the above Scripture specifies that such Spiritual gifts, if genuine, are manifested. Doesn't that clearly imply that they should be real, palpable and factual? How do we know if they are? Let's first look at a general classification of true and false prophets:

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:15-18)

Now, how can we discern the pertinent fruits of a true and false prophet?

"But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?'

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

There are presumptuous (false) prophets today (Matthew 24:5, 24). Some claim to be prophets, but, because they know this Scripture they usually say that at a certain date, this may happen or that may happen so that, if by their wishful thinking it will, then they claim to have made the prediction, and if it doesn't the word may is their escaping clause.

It should be very elementary that a true prophet, one directly inspired by God, will make an unequivocal prediction that will come to pass!

Are there true prophets today? I don't know any, nor do I know anybody who knows.

Although the Bible mentions prophets yet to come including Elijah (before the end of this age, Malachi 4:5-6) as well as the Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-12), these have yet to appear.

Are there modern-day prophets?
 
I suppose from your article and in particular relating to Corinthians 14 about worship practices could not a prophecy also be a word from god concerning right now.Such as someone feels led by the spirit to say the congregation should not have today's sermon but do something else instead. Could that be a more down to earth manifestation of that gift? I have been in many a church service when a person felt led to say something and it was good at that time.
 
I get uncomfortable when people call themselves Prophets or Apostles. Now maybe a Apostle I might be able to tolerate, but a Prophet I will not. Who here agrees that God is still putting out Biblical Prophets, and if you think so give proof please.
Lewis,

I'm not a bit proponent of the five fold ministry being valid for the Church today.

My reason in the passage below:

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

The Bible shows us the apostles and prophets were the foundation of the church.

So unless we are still building the foundation some 2,000 years later, I too am a bit uncomfortable. :yes

I truly believe we are well past the foundation.
 
Here is a article that I found

<TABLE border=0 width=625><TBODY><TR><TD width=515 align=middle>Are there modern-day prophets?
HOW can we know if God sent them?



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</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>



</TD><TD width=105></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0 width=520 align=left><TBODY><TR><TD>Q. One of my Bible study students asked about present day prophets. Since prophecy is one of the spiritual gifts given to believers, shouldn't we have prophets today? If so, HOW would we know if they are true prophets of God?

(Submitted by: R. A. K.)
A. There is hardly a biblical terminology that has captured man's religious concepts and imaginations more than the word prophecy, prophesying or prophets. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible has these three words respectively: #4394, Greek propheteia (prophecy), #4395, propheteuo (prophesying) and # 4396, prophetes (prophet).
A number of Scriptures make reference to this subject which is not always crystal clear. In 1Corinthians 14:26-40 we find references to those words mingled with the speaking in tongues, revelations, etc.
"How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. . . . Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. . . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order." (1Corinthians 14:26, 29-32, 37-40, KJV)

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It is widely understood that prophesying does not necessarily mean predicting the future, but it can mean speaking with inspiration, as a sermon can be, when God genuinely inspires it. Godly instruction in Christian living would then be the essence of that prophesying, rather than a prediction for the future. One could not necessarily call such a preacher a prophet. An eminent example is found in Paul's habitual preaching of an apostle as he was, rather than a prophet:
"And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power," (1Corinthians 2:4)

Jesus did also refer to the same demonstration of the Spirit, in the last evening He spent with His disciples, before His crucifixion:
"the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:17)

"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall sent to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me." (John 15:26)

In possibly the most authoritative chapter in the matter of prophecy, Apostle Paul addressed the subject of Spiritual gifts of which, prophecy, is one of them. The various gifts are listed one by one:
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the discerning of spirits, to another different kind of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

"And God has appointed these in the Church: First apostles, second prophets, third teachers, and after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way." ( 1Corinthians 12:7-11, 28-31)

First of all consider the last part of this Scripture just quoted: Apostle Paul, who was directly trained by Jesus Christ, significantly asks the question, "Are all prophets…?.", etc. That alone ought to prompt us to question them or their claims.

In 1Thessalonians 5:21 Paul says, "test all things . . .". To take particular note that the above Scripture specifies that such Spiritual gifts, if genuine, are manifested. Doesn't that clearly imply that they should be real, palpable and factual? How do we know if they are? Let's first look at a general classification of true and false prophets:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:15-18)

Now, how can we discern the pertinent fruits of a true and false prophet?
"But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?'

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

There are presumptuous (false) prophets today (Matthew 24:5, 24). Some claim to be prophets, but, because they know this Scripture they usually say that at a certain date, this may happen or that may happen so that, if by their wishful thinking it will, then they claim to have made the prediction, and if it doesn't the word may is their escaping clause.

It should be very elementary that a true prophet, one directly inspired by God, will make an unequivocal prediction that will come to pass!

Are there true prophets today? I don't know any, nor do I know anybody who knows.

Although the Bible mentions prophets yet to come including Elijah (before the end of this age, Malachi 4:5-6) as well as the Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-12), these have yet to appear.

Are there modern-day prophets?

Several book chapters of Christ's Words suggest that its the 'Spirits message' that is to come of Mal. 4:5. (not the actual person) But the Eccl. 3:15 Repeat message will be to do as did John. And he was sent to the Matt. 25 Lost Virgin Fold, huh! (as also were the Matt. 10:5-6 ones 'lost sheep')
--Elijah

[9] But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
[10] For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
[11] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
 
Anyone can be a modern day prophet.

You just read prophecy's in scripture and tell people about it.

Easy.

As for modern day Apostles? Nah. All this 'disciple making' talk gives me the heeby geeby's.

Scripture Scripture Scripture. Yummy.

Doc ..../////
 
I think Christians need to concentrate on the Biblical, Apostolic doctrine,
rather than on supposed lines of 'apostolic succession', etc.

The Apostles themselves would doubtless have insisted that everyone keep going back to the Word itself.
 
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