More Evidence for "Joshua/Yahsha" as the Christ!

[precepts]

I really don't know what scriptures Christianity is reading, but I came across these interesting verses that gives a different view on the coronation of Joshua (Yahsha) the son of the high priest Josedech, post the Babylon captivity:

Isa 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Isa 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
Isa 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: [yet] surely my judgment [is] with the LORD, and my work with my God.
Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb [to be] his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

Evidently this gathering of Israel is post Babylon, but these verses also refer to Christ, whose sword is his word, verified in Revelation.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

I stressed the word also because it's two different tasks that's taking place here, a gathering of Israel, and a gathering of the gentiles.

Isa 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, [and] his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, [and] the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that [are] in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures [shall be] in all high places.
Isa 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isa 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
Isa 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.
Isa 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
Isa 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of [my] hands; thy walls [are] continually before me.

The kings of Judah were symbolized as signets:

Jer 22:24 [As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;




Back to the topic:

Isa 49:17 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee.

Evidently the fall of Babylon.

Isa 49:18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, [and] come to thee. [As] I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them [on thee], as a bride [doeth].
Isa 49:19 For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away.
Isa 49:20 The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place [is] too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.
Isa 49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where [had] they [been]?

Once again, evidently post Babylon.

Isa 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.
Isa 49:23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with [their] face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I [am] the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Isa 49:24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?
Isa 49:25 But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.
Isa 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD [am] thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Evidently, the Babylon Exodus!

Jer 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, [and] my curtains in a moment.
Jer 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, [and] hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jer 4:22 For my people [is] foolish, they have not known me; they [are] sottish children, and they have none understanding: they [are] wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Here's the interesting part, God's repeating of the creation of the world, his establishing the world post Babylon:

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, [there was] no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was] a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, [and] by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken [it], I have purposed [it], and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city [shall be] forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
Jer 4:30 And [when] thou [art] spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; [thy] lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
Jer 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, [and] the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, [that] bewaileth herself, [that] spreadeth her hands, [saying], Woe [is] me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.

God saw that there was no man, so he brought salvation onto himself:

Isa 59:16 And he saw that [there was] no man, and wondered that [there was] no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

Zec 6:9 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Zec 6:10 Take of [them of] the captivity, [even] of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;
Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set [them] upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Let him who eyes to see, see, and ears to hear, hear.

 

[Guest]

The correct spelling is Yahshuah. Blessings.

 

[precepts]

The correct spelling is Yahshuah. Blessings.

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

 

[Guest]

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

come again..

 

[precepts]

come again..

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

 

[Guest]

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

Yes, you've already said that. What does it mean? Why not just spell his name Yahshuah? Does it really make a difference since there's only one Christ anyways?

 

[precepts]

Yes, you've already said that. What does it mean? Why not just spell his name Yahshuah? Does it really make a difference since there's only one Christ anyways?

If Eli means my God, evident in Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli,lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And J/Yah means "I Am," Sha means "Salvation," or as some say "Save," combined, they interpret the same as so-called "Jesus," I AM Salvation. That's the point

Why did Elisha recieve double from Elijah, aka John the Baptist, and Christ recieve double for the sins of Yah-ru-Sha-lem? That is the question!

Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

 

[cupid dave]

Let him who eyes to see, see, and ears to hear, hear.

Good job.

But of course you passed over that one stickling verse which identifies this sufering servant as Israel, which is also called the first born son of God.

Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


This is the verse that the Jews use to deny that jesus was the messiah, and to insist that Israel is the messiah for the world at large.


I believe christians need accept that both interpretations are valid, and that both Christ and Israel woukd be "crucified" because of sin, and from the ashes of that atrocity the Truth will resurrect and all mankind will find salvation in the recognition of Truth as our messiah.

If we read Gen 22 it becomes clear rhat first Abraham offers the life of his only son, but that son is saved from death at the last moment.

Then a mature lamb, an adult Ram caught in the thicket, as was Israel in 1942-45, is sacrificed but a remanant remained.



Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt ([nacah: try, prove]; use to show) Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am, (a parody of the name of God, himself, YHVH; [Exodus 3:14]).

Gen. 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, (as I shall take my own), thine only son, (as shall I take my only son), Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah, (a hill, like Golgotha, the place of the Skull, in Palestinia); and offer him there, (symbolically transferring guilt and sin to him; [Luke 24:47]), for a burnt offering, (a sin offering), upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Gen. 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, (as would Jesus ride into Jerusalem to be crucified: [John 12:14]) and took two ([Matt 27:38]) of his young men, (as witnesses, as would Jesus take Mary and John to witness the Cross), clave the wood, (as if the pieces of the cross of Isaac's crucifixion), for the burnt offering, (the Jewish ritual for the transferal of sin; [Luke 24:47]), and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

Gen. 22:4 Then, (as example to the years of the ministry of Jesus yet to come), on the third "day," (the third yom, or three durations of time: [Luke 24:46]), Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off, (in the future).


and...


Gen. 22:13 And Abrahamlifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him, (an uncastrated malesheep), a “ram,” (also, figuratively, [ayil: the political chiefs];symbolic of the European Jewish rabbi), caught in a thicket (of the Nazipersecution), by his horns, (or, his power: [symbolic Dictionary]):

and Abraham, (in analogyto God), went and took, (in place of the lamb of his only son, Isaac), the “ram, ” (the Jewish peopleand leadership in Europe of the 20th century to come), and offered him,(as a Burnt Offering, the sin offering, the Jewish people themselves:[Exodus 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Israel is Myson, my first born.’”]), up (in holocaust) for a burnt offering(in the crematoriums of WWII, the Burnt Offering of Israel, the chosen sonof God in the stead of (Isaac), his (only)son, (in analogy, as was Christ offered for their salvation).

 

[precepts]

Good job.

But of course you passed over that one stickling verse which identifies this sufering servant as Israel, which is also called the first born son of God.

Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


This is the verse that the Jews use to deny that jesus was the messiah, and to insist that Israel is the messiah for the world at large.


I believe christians need accept that both interpretations are valid, and that both Christ and Israel woukd be "crucified" because of sin, and from the ashes of that atrocity the Truth will resurrect and all mankind will find salvation in the recognition of Truth as our messiah.

If we read Gen 22 it becomes clear rhat first Abraham offers the life of his only son, but that son is saved from death at the last moment.

Then a mature lamb, an adult Ram caught in the thicket, as was Israel in 1942-45, is sacrificed but a remanant remained.



Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt ([nacah: try, prove]; use to show) Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am, (a parody of the name of God, himself, YHVH; [Exodus 3:14]).

Gen. 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, (as I shall take my own), thine only son, (as shall I take my only son), Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah, (a hill, like Golgotha, the place of the Skull, in Palestinia); and offer him there, (symbolically transferring guilt and sin to him; [Luke 24:47]), for a burnt offering, (a sin offering), upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Gen. 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, (as would Jesus ride into Jerusalem to be crucified: [John 12:14]) and took two ([Matt 27:38]) of his young men, (as witnesses, as would Jesus take Mary and John to witness the Cross), clave the wood, (as if the pieces of the cross of Isaac's crucifixion), for the burnt offering, (the Jewish ritual for the transferal of sin; [Luke 24:47]), and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

Gen. 22:4 Then, (as example to the years of the ministry of Jesus yet to come), on the third "day," (the third yom, or three durations of time: [Luke 24:46]), Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off, (in the future).


and...


Gen. 22:13 And Abrahamlifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him, (an uncastrated malesheep), a “ram,” (also, figuratively, [ayil: the political chiefs];symbolic of the European Jewish rabbi), caught in a thicket (of the Nazipersecution), by his horns, (or, his power: [symbolic Dictionary]):

and Abraham, (in analogyto God), went and took, (in place of the lamb of his only son, Isaac), the “ram, ” (the Jewish peopleand leadership in Europe of the 20th century to come), and offered him,(as a Burnt Offering, the sin offering, the Jewish people themselves:[Exodus 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Israel is Myson, my first born.’”]), up (in holocaust) for a burnt offering(in the crematoriums of WWII, the Burnt Offering of Israel, the chosen sonof God in the stead of (Isaac), his (only)son, (in analogy, as was Christ offered for their salvation).

Don't get stuck on these stickling verses, but Christ is sirnamed Israel/Yahsha:

Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance.
Deu 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
Deu 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
Deu 32:12 [So] the LORD alone did lead him, and [there was] no strange god with him.
Deu 32:13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
Deu 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
Deu 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered [with fatness]; then he forsook God [which] made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
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Deu 33:4 Moses commanded us a law, [even] the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.
Deu 33:5 And he was king in Jeshurun, when the heads of the people [and] the tribes of Israel were gathered together.
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Deu 33:26 [There is] none like unto the God of Jeshurun, [who] rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.

Who is Jeshurun? His name is used in reference to Jacob/Israel.

Isa 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Isa 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
Isa 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: [yet] surely my judgment [is] with the LORD, and my work with my God.
Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb [to be] his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

Now lift up your eyes and hear!

 

[cupid dave]

Joshua (Jehoshua)

The name Joshua occurs four times in the Bible. Most famous is the judge Joshua the Ephraimite, the successor of Moses and the one who leads Israel into the Promised Land. The original name of this Joshua is Hosea (

) but Moses names him Joshua (Numbers 13:16).
Other Joshuas are: the owner of a field in Beth-shemite where the Ark returns to Israel (1 Samuel 6:14); A governor of Jerusalem (2 Kings 23:8); A high priest (Hag 1:1).
Joshua is also the original Hebrew form of the Greek name Jesus. A shortened form of Joshua (although not clear in English) is the name Jeshua (

).

The name Joshua is a compilation of two elements.

1) The first element is

, which is the commonly accepted abbreviated form of

, which is YHWH, the Name of the Lord.

2) The interesting word group that starts with the familiar Hebrew verb

(yasha), meaning to be saved or delivered. The feminine noun

(yeshua) means salvation. The masuline noun

(yesha) means salvation too, but can also be used to mean financial salvation; prosperity or welfare (2 Samuel 23:5, Psalm 12:5). Following this type of meaning, the derivation

(shoa) indicates a 'free man,' a (financially) independent person.

Related in meaning and probably also linguistically (suggests BDB Theological Dictionary) is the verb

(shawa), meaning to cry, or more specifically, to cry out for help (Psalm 30:2, Psalm 72:12). The masculine nouns

(shua) and

(shoa) both mean a cry, and the feminine noun

(shaw'a) means the more specific cry for help. The proximity of these word groups is shown in Job 36:19. Some translations read here the peculiar, "If your cry for help is set in order..." (Jay P. Green), while others read, "Will your riches keep you from distress..." (NAS).

BDB Theological Dictionary lists

under

and reads Yah Is Salvation. NOBS Study Bible Name List reads Yahweh Is Salvation.

The name Joshua is the Hebrew form of the Greek name Jesus, and most probably the name by which Jesus was known by His contemporaries. Jesus was fascinated by the Book of Isaiah, probably mostly because this Book appears to be entirely about Him, but perhaps also because the name Isaiah (

) is almost identical to the name Joshua with the two segments reversed.

Other names that are formed from the word

are Abishua, Bathshua, Elisha, Hosea, Hoshaiah, Ishi, Jeshaiah, Mesha and Shoa / Shua(h). And also related is the word Hosanna.

 

[precepts]

Joshua (Jehoshua)

The name Joshua occurs four times in the Bible. Most famous is the judge Joshua the Ephraimite, the successor of Moses and the one who leads Israel into the Promised Land. The original name of this Joshua is Hosea (

) but Moses names him Joshua (Numbers 13:16).

He is also the great grandson of Joseph, the grandson of Ephraim.

We could argue over the meanings of the names because hebrew has many different misinterpretations through out the yrs but Jehoshua from my basic understanding interprets "Jah hov," as in the name Jehovah, as "I Am that" as in "I Am that I Am". Sha is salvation or peace as in Sha-lom, Sha-lem, and Yah-ru-Sha-lem (I Am with Sha/Salvation city). Hoshea/Hosha is "that Salvation", a shorter version of Jehoshua.

Other Joshuas are: the owner of a field in Beth-shemite where the Ark returns to Israel (1 Samuel 6:14); A governor of Jerusalem (2 Kings 23:8); A high priest (Hag 1:1).

The first two could very well be refering to Moses' Joshua.

The third, if you read the verses I provided earlier, states the same, crowned king as promised by God as his planting, Isa 49:1-5, Ez 17:1-24, Ez 21:26, Ez 11:1-16, Jer 23:5-7, and Jer 33:15-18.

He is also misinterpretedly called "Jasher" in Jos 10:13 , 2 Sam 1:18 and "Jeshurun" in Deut 32:15, Deut 33:5, and Deut 33:26. Read it!

The Judaic Kings were cut off, and God planted "the branch" post Babylon. This is a fact that Chris-tianity ignores!

Joshua is also the original Hebrew form of the Greek name Jesus. A shortened form of Joshua (although not clear in English) is the name Jeshua (

).

Which I know and connect to the name and the man Joshua.

The name Joshua is a compilation of two elements.

1) The first element is

, which is the commonly accepted abbreviated form of

, which is YHWH, the Name of the Lord.

2) The interesting word group that starts with the familiar Hebrew verb

(yasha), meaning to be saved or delivered. The feminine noun

(yeshua) means salvation. The masuline noun

(yesha) means salvation too, but can also be used to mean financial salvation; prosperity or welfare (2 Samuel 23:5, Psalm 12:5). Following this type of meaning, the derivation

(shoa) indicates a 'free man,' a (financially) independent person.

Related in meaning and probably also linguistically (suggests BDB Theological Dictionary) is the verb

(shawa), meaning to cry, or more specifically, to cry out for help (Psalm 30:2, Psalm 72:12). The masculine nouns

(shua) and

(shoa) both mean a cry, and the feminine noun

(shaw'a) means the more specific cry for help. The proximity of these word groups is shown in Job 36:19. Some translations read here the peculiar, "If your cry for help is set in order..." (Jay P. Green), while others read, "Will your riches keep you from distress..." (NAS).

You're relying on a reinvented misinterpreted language.

BDB Theological Dictionary lists

under

and reads Yah Is Salvation. NOBS Study Bible Name List reads Yahweh Is Salvation.

You put too much trust in the world, I recently discovered Moses, misinterpreted by some sources as meaning "drawn from the water," really means "born of," as in the Egyptian names Rah-meses, misinterpreted Ramses, meaning born of the egyptian god Rah. Other misinterpreted variations of this name is mosis as in thutmosis, mose as in Ahmose, etc., all meaning "born of."

The name Joshua is the Hebrew form of the Greek name Jesus, and most probably the name by which Jesus was known by His contemporaries. Jesus was fascinated by the Book of Isaiah, probably mostly because this Book appears to be entirely about Him, but perhaps also because the name Isaiah (

) is almost identical to the name Joshua with the two segments reversed.

You and Chris-tianity have no idea how much Isaiah talks of him and his role in the post Babylon exodus because Joshua is Christ.

Isaiah is rightfully interpreted as El Sha, as in El Sha-ddai!

 

[edwin]

Your "evidence" would never hold up in a court of law. The 49th chapter of Isaiah has nothing to do with Jesus. According to widespread Christian beliefs, Jesus existed for all eternity (I am) and for many Christians Jesus is equated with God. The first verse is describing a human being, not a god or demigod who has a normal biological birth. Read in context, this reference is to the prophet and his mission with respect to Israel. Also Zech 6 has nothing to do with Jesus. You should read the entire chapter and consider the context. A proper translation from the Hebrew would be:
Say to him, "Thus said HaShem, Master of Legions, Behold, there is a man, his name is Sprout, and he will flourish in his place; he will build the Sanctuary of Hashem". So in other words no "THE" there. No "THE branch." It is a NAME in Zechariah 6
The next verse is then translated as:"
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16210#v13And he shall build the Temple of the Lord, and he shall bear glory. And he shall sit and rule on his throne, and a priest shall be on his throne. And a counsel of peace shall be between them [both].Again the word "he" does not appear in v13. The reference is to 2 individuals, Zerrubavel and Joshua the Kohen Gadol at the time of the rebuilding of the Temple.


Zechariah 4:6-10
Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the L-rd to Zerubavel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, says the L-rd of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubavel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forward its headstone, shouting Grace, grace to it. And the word of the L-rd came to me, saying, The hands of Zerubavel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and you shall know that the L-rd of hosts has sent me to you. For who has despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubavel. These seven are the eyes of the L-rd, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

 

[EdenBorn]

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

come again..

That's because you don't know who Eli-J/Yah or Eli-Sha were, Eli meaning "my God."

Lol


Anyway, the proof I hold dear that Jesus is the Christ is the observance of the apostles themselves. Before Christ ascended, they believed he was the Christ but still had a small human doubt dwelling in them. Even after witnessing his miracles, they still denied in him in fear of persecution when the time dawned.

However, after the ascension, they became fearless. They had seen with their own eyes Jesus ascend into Heaven and were proverbial martyrs from there on. It is written, eyewitness accounts along with twelve men who took it to their deaths.

 

[precepts]

Your "evidence" would never hold up in a court of law.

Not if you'te the judge.

The 49th chapter of Isaiah has nothing to do with Jesus.

I provided more than one verse!

According to widespread Christian beliefs, Jesus existed for all eternity (I am) and for many Christians Jesus is equated with God. The first verse is describing a human being, not a god or demigod who has a normal biological birth. Read in context, this reference is to the prophet and his mission with respect to Israel.

It's a matter of opinion, seeing we have no judge, but by address only one of the many sound proof verses I provided, you're being totally irrational.

Also Zech 6 has nothing to do with Jesus. You should read the entire chapter and consider the context. A proper translation from the Hebrew would be:

Once again you people with your misinterpreted reinvented hebrew interpretations, give me a break! There's only one person called the branch, Christ.

Zech 6 makes it clear who the branch is and why he is to rule as King and High Priest post Babylon with the Eze 17:1-24 prophecy of the cedar branch planting.

I can't force anyone to accept the facts, I can only provide them, especially since darkness and deep sleep has fallen on most.

Who have eyes to see will see, etc..

Say to him, "Thus said HaShem, Master of Legions, Behold, there is a man, his name is Sprout, and he will flourish in his place; he will build the Sanctuary of Hashem". So in other words no "THE" there. No "THE branch." It is a NAME in Zechariah 6

Eze 17:1-24, friend!

Is that a Sprout too?

The next verse is then translated as:"
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16210#v13And he shall build the Temple of the Lord, and he shall bear glory. And he shall sit and rule on his throne, and a priest shall be on his throne. And a counsel of peace shall be between them [both].Again the word "he" does not appear in v13. The reference is to 2 individuals, Zerrubavel and Joshua the Kohen Gadol at the time of the rebuilding of the Temple.

You're not worthy of my pearls. The fact that a high priest named Joshua (supposedly interpreted the same as Jesus) was crowned on God's throne and called the branch, you would think it would ring a bell, especially since Jer 23:5-7 and Jer 33:15-18 prophecied it.

Zechariah 4:6-10
Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the L-rd to Zerubavel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, says the L-rd of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubavel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forward its headstone, shouting Grace, grace to it. And the word of the L-rd came to me, saying, The hands of Zerubavel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and you shall know that the L-rd of hosts has sent me to you. For who has despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubavel. These seven are the eyes of the L-rd, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

Where else in the bible mentions these seven eyes ? In Revelation, perhaps?

What about the seven candlesticks? Are they related to the seven eyes?

And what about the two golden lampstands? Who do they represent?

 

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Anyway, the proof I hold dear that Jesus is the Christ is the observance of the apostles themselves. Before Christ ascended, they believed he was the Christ but still had a small human doubt dwelling in them. Even after witnessing his miracles, they still denied in him in fear of persecution when the time dawned.

However, after the ascension, they became fearless. They had seen with their own eyes Jesus ascend into Heaven and were proverbial martyrs from there on. It is written, eyewitness accounts along with twelve men who took it to their deaths.

You're missing the point. So-called "Jesus" is said be be interpreted the same as Joshua. Point being Eze 17-1:24 planting of the cedar branch post Babylon, Zech 6:9-13 crowning of Joshua called the "Branch," and the other prophecies of the "Branch" of David's reign on the earth; Jer 23:5-8, Jer 33:15-18 , and Eze 21:25-27.

 

[edwin]

Not if you'te the judge.



I provided more than one verse!


It's a matter of opinion, seeing we have no judge, but by address only one of the many sound proof verses I provided, you're being totally irrational.



Once again you people with your misinterpreted reinvented hebrew interpretations, give me a break! There's only one person called the branch, Christ.

Zech 6 makes it clear who the branch is and why he is to rule as King and High Priest post Babylon with the Eze 17:1-24 prophecy of the cedar branch planting.

I can't force anyone to accept the facts, I can only provide them, especially since darkness and deep sleep has fallen on most.

Who have eyes to see will see, etc..


Eze 17:1-24, friend!

Is that a Sprout too?


You're not worthy of my pearls. The fact that a high priest named Joshua (supposedly interpreted the same as Jesus) was crowned on God's throne and called the branch, you would think it would ring a bell, especially since Jer 23:5-7 and Jer 33:15-18 prophecied it.



Where else in the bible mentions these seven eyes ? In Revelation, perhaps?

What about the seven candlesticks? Are they related to the seven eyes?

And what about the two golden lampstands? Who do they represent?

Wow! What an ignorant response. "You people?" "reinvented Hebrew?"

Your complete lack of understanding of the Hebrew Bible is truly astounding! and your reference to Jer 23 is laughable.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous shoot, and he shall reign as king and prosper, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD is our righteousness. {P}
Did this happen in 1st century Judea during the Roman occupation? Was Judah saved? Was Israel (ie the Northern Kingdom) dwelling safely? THIS HAS NOT YET HAPPENED- After Jesus death Judah was dispersed and Israel had been dispersed by Assyria 700 years earlier!. This is a messianic prophecy still awaiting fulfillment. Over and out.

 

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There are many types for Christ throughout the OT. However, the type/antitype prophetic similarities must always limited in scope, because eventually all types for Christ must break down and fail due to their sin nature. Thus, they are not actually Christ, who is God Incarnate, but they point us to Him who succeeds where we cannot.

 

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Wow! What an ignorant response. "You people?" "reinvented Hebrew?"

To stoop to your level would be unChirist like.

Your complete lack of understanding of the Hebrew Bible is truly astounding! and your reference to Jer 23 is laughable.

You're such a logical and reasonable person.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous shoot, and he shall reign as king and prosper, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD is our righteousness. {P}
Did this happen in 1st century Judea during the Roman occupation? Was Judah saved? Was Israel (ie the Northern Kingdom) dwelling safely? THIS HAS NOT YET HAPPENED- After Jesus death Judah was dispersed and Israel had been dispersed by Assyria 700 years earlier!. This is a messianic prophecy still awaiting fulfillment. You"re just too much of a EDITEDto understand. Over and out.

I shouldn't have to explain this to a reasonable person since you fail to acknowledge Eze 17:1-24's parable about 'God's planting, but for the benefit of the readers, l'll post these verses explaining why someone would think that the above verses haven't occurred yet.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Isa 13:14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
Isa 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined [unto them] shall fall by the sword.
Isa 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and [as for] gold, they shall not delight in it.

The physical fall of Babylon is called the day of the Lord!

Jer 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD.
Jer 50:15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it [is] the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her.
Jer 50:16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.
Jer 50:18 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.
Jer 50:19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.
Jer 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and [there shall be] none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Has this occurred yet Mr. eddy?!

 

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There are many types for Christ throughout the OT. However, the type/antitype prophetic similarities must always limited in scope, because eventually all types for Christ must break down and fail due to their sin nature. Thus, they are not actually Christ, who is God Incarnate, but they point us to Him who succeeds where we cannot.

That's interesting since none of the Joshuas mentioned ever married.

 

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That's interesting since none of the Joshuas mentioned ever married.

Jos 24:15 - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.​

I doubt Joshua was referring to his pets.