More Evidence for "Joshua/Yahsha" as the Christ!

[edwin]

You're missing the point. So-called "Jesus" is said be be interpreted the same as Joshua. Point being Eze 17-1:24 planting of the cedar branch post Babylon, Zech 6:9-13 crowning of Joshua called the "Branch," and the other prophecies of the "Branch" of David's reign on the earth; Jer 23:5-8, Jer 33:15-18 , and Eze 21:25-27.

Your point seems to be Jesus=Joshua=Branch but you ignore context. The references in Zechariah refer to tzemach-there is no definite article in the Hebrew, hence no THE BRANCH.
Furthermore, Zech 3:6-10 is directed toward Joshua who is told that the servant tzemach will be brought forth-clearly a reference to another individual other than Joshua.
6:13 says specifically that tzemach will build the Temple of Hashemand numerous verses identify Zerubavel as the one who builds it: zech 4:6-10,haggai 1:1-2, ezra 5:2 and 6:7

These verses are explicit and clear. The scripture you quoted including Isaiah 49 are vague and need a huge stretch of the imagination to attempt to link them with Jesus. An ordinary reading simply refers to the prophet Isiaiah as the one who admonishes Israel when Israel sins. The use of the term "servant" is used to refer to the prophet and to the nation of Israel. Just where do you see a specific unambiguous reference to Jesus in these verses?

 

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[precepts]

Jos 24:15 - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.​

I doubt Joshua was referring to his pets.

I don't know which pets you're referring to but there's no mention of a wife and kids, house would then mean his kin, the tribe of Ephraim.

 

[precepts]

Your point seems to be Jesus=Joshua=Branch but you ignore context. The references in Zechariah refer to tzemach-there is no definite article in the Hebrew, hence no THE BRANCH.
Furthermore, Zech 3:6-10 is directed toward Joshua who is told that the servant tzemach will be brought forth-clearly a reference to another individual other than Joshua.
6:13 says specifically that tzemach will build the Temple of Hashemand numerous verses identify Zerubavel as the one who builds it: zech 4:6-10,haggai 1:1-2, ezra 5:2 and 6:7

You're the one ignoring context and playing on word games. The context in Eze 17:1-24 clearly calls the branch his planting, compounding Zech's crowning of who is to be king in Israel, and the new testament's account of Christ being the true vine, not to mention the verse telling Zedekiah to take off the crown until whose it is arrives which was Joshua!

Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low, and abase [him that is] high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].

I verse I came across today that seals the fact:

Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;[/blue]
Jer 33:21 [Then] may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

If you comprehend these verses, Joshua crowned king and high priest is the son of David, as was Christ's title in the new testament. There has never been a son of David on the throne since this verse, but Joshua the high priest, not even the Maccabes were sons of David.

The meaning behind verse 22 is Christ as the son of David will rule on the throne of David forever. This is why Christ spoke in parables. If you can't understand that and see the connections, then I can't help you.




Some other interesting verses that ties the return from Babylon with new testament doctrine:

Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
Jer 32:43 And fields shall be bought in this land, whereof ye say, [It is] desolate without man or beast; it is given into the hand of the Chaldeans.
Jer 32:44 Men shall buy fields for money, and subscribe evidences, and seal [them], and take witnesses in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the mountains, and in the cities of the valley, and in the cities of the south: for I will cause their captivity to return, saith the LORD.

Once again I ask, has this happened yet? This is post Babylon, but the verses still speak of an everlasting kingdom. Feel free to expain.

Jer 33:6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth.
Jer 33:7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
Jer 33:8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
Jer 33:9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.
Jer 33:10 Thus saith the LORD; Again there shall be heard in this place, which ye say [shall be] desolate without man and without beast, [even] in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, that are desolate, without man, and without inhabitant, and without beast,
Jer 33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD [is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever: [and] of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.

I have to print these whole verses so you can read them, early I posted verses showing the forgiveness of sin post Babylon that you ignored.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Jer 31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.
Jer 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.
Jer 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, [shall be] holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

All this is before the Babylonian captivity, forgiveness post Babylon, verses that relates to Christ.

These verses are explicit and clear. The scripture you quoted including Isaiah 49 are vague and need a huge stretch of the imagination to attempt to link them with Jesus. An ordinary reading simply refers to the prophet Isiaiah as the one who admonishes Israel when Israel sins. The use of the term "servant" is used to refer to the prophet and to the nation of Israel. Just where do you see a specific unambiguous reference to Jesus in these verses?

I wonder how unambiguous a stretch of imagination it would take to understand Eze 17's planting of the branch?

Like I said before, not everyone can recieve it.

 

[Sinthesis]

I don't know which pets you're referring to but there's no mention of a wife and kids, house would then mean his kin, the tribe of Ephraim.

I'm sure that's what you want to believe; so be it. Why do you choose to believe this? Joshua is not Jesus. Joshua does represent a type of messiah, within a particular context, for which ultimate fulfillment is found in Jesus. However, Joshua is not the only messianic type for Jesus, and as such, Joshua does not have to display all of the messianic characteristics of Jesus. Of course there are plenty of parallels to be drawn, but Joshua was just a man whose exploits point to Christ's work.

 

[precepts]

I'm sure that's what you want to believe; so be it. Why do you choose to believe this? Joshua is not Jesus.

You would rather believe they were mere men rather than eunuchs, contrary to the facts. There's nowhere in scripture that proves these men ever married except for Chronicles listing of Joshua the high priest having sons, which was interpreted as such since there's no evidence of a wife.

Joshua does represent a type of messiah, within a particular context, for which ultimate fulfillment is found in Jesus. However, Joshua is not the only messianic type for Jesus, and as such, Joshua does not have to display all of the messianic characteristics of Jesus. Of course there are plenty of parallels to be drawn, but Joshua was just a man whose exploits point to Christ's work.

All this without any scriptural proof, I argue the facts, and like I said before, it's an open and shut case, but not everyone will understand, it's written, this is why Christ spoke in parables. Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[precepts]

Once again I ask everybody on this thread, who is Jasher, and who is Jeshurun. Do a Blue Letter bible dictionary and word search, and read what it says, or who they define them to be.

 

[Sinthesis]

You would rather believe they were mere men rather than eunuchs, contrary to the facts. There's nowhere in scripture that proves these men ever married except for Chronicles listing of Joshua the high priest having sons, which was interpreted as such since there's no evidence of a wife.

All this without any scriptural proof, I argue the facts, and like I said before, it's an open and shut case, but not everyone will understand, it's written, this is why Christ spoke in parables. Enjoy the rest of your day.

It seems that you are just speculating in the absense of direct scriptural proof, and against indirect scriptural proof. If you are arguing that every Joshua found in the bible is actually Jesus Christ, then you sadly mistaken. If you believe that the various OT Joshuas can be seen as types for Jesus Christ, then that could be acceptable.

 

[precepts]

It seems that you are just speculating in the absense of direct scriptural proof, and against indirect scriptural proof.

You're calling the one verse, where Joshua talks about his house, indirect scriptural proof?!

If you are arguing that every Joshua found in the bible is actually Jesus Christ, then you sadly mistaken. If you believe that the various OT Joshuas can be seen as types for Jesus Christ, then that could be acceptable.

Melchizedec, without beginning of days or ending of life, high priest of the most high God, and king of Shalem is a coincidental type of Christ crowned king of Shalem and high priest like Joshua in Zechariah? That's not proof enough for Moses' Joshua and Zechariah's Joshua to be the eunuch Christ, especially with all the verses I provided detailing God's planting of the true vine post Babylon?!

Like I said before, blindness has fallen on the world. I won't put my head thru a wall to convince no one of the facts. I'm sure that's why the disciples were told to accept only those who listened and believe.

Psa 87:4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this [man] was born there.
Psa 87:5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
Psa 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, [that] this [man] was born there. Selah.
Psa 87:7 As well the singers as the players on instruments [shall be there]: all my springs [are] in thee.

Which man was born there and establish who or what where?!

 

[edwin]

You're the one ignoring context and playing on word games. The context in Eze 17:1-24 clearly calls the branch his planting, compounding Zech's crowning of who is to be king in Israel, and the new testament's account of Christ being the true vine, not to mention the verse telling Zedekiah to take off the crown until whose it is arrives which was Joshua!



I verse I came across today that seals the fact:
If you comprehend these verses, Joshua crowned king and high priest is the son of David, as was Christ's title in the new testament. There has never been a son of David on the throne since this verse, but Joshua the high priest, not even the Maccabes were sons of David.

The meaning behind verse 22 is Christ as the son of David will rule on the throne of David forever. This is why Christ spoke in parables. If you can't understand that and see the connections, then I can't help you.




Some other interesting verses that ties the return from Babylon with new testament doctrine:
Once again I ask, has this happened yet? This is post Babylon, but the verses still speak of an everlasting kingdom. Feel free to expain.



I have to print these whole verses so you can read them, early I posted verses showing the forgiveness of sin post Babylon that you ignored.



All this is before the Babylonian captivity, forgiveness post Babylon, verses that relates to Christ.





I wonder how unambiguous a stretch of imagination it would take to understand Eze 17's planting of the branch?

Like I said before, not everyone can recieve it.

Perhaps you could try to make your posts a little shorter as it is difficult to respond to such a lengthy post.

1). wrt Ezek 17. Please demonstrate where the word "tsemach" (branch) appears in these verses. v3 in Hebrew has "tsameret haarez" ie the lofty top of the cedar.
The parable concerns the King of Babylon (the great eagle) who takes Jeconiah and his officials to Babylon. The parable goes on to prophecy the downfall of Zedekiah v24 "I have dried up the green tree" and ascent of Zerubavel to be governor; v24 "I have made the dry tree blossom" ie dry tree is Jeconiah, the grandfather of Zerubavel. Please show us where Jesus is in this parable. I think the forum readers recognize that parables are open to various interpretations.

2).wrt Ezek 21 your translation from the KJB is faulty.

לב. עַוָּה עַוָּה עַוָּה אֲשִׂימֶנָּה גַּם זֹאת לֹא הָיָה עַד בֹּא אֲשֶׁר לוֹ הַמִּשְׁפָּט וּנְתַתִּיו:

A more accurate translation is :"A ruin,a ruin, a ruin I will make it; this too will not be, until he who has the judgment (hamishpat) will come, and I will deliver him."
This is reference to the downfall of Zedekiah and his falling into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. Again, I ask, where exactly is Jesus here except in your wild imagination?

3).wrt your Jer quote I suggest you read the entire chapter. esp v 14-18. where the Eternal tells the prophet about the mashiach who will reign in the messianic era. We know this because he speaks about the house of Israel and the house of Judah as separate houses ie the northern and southern kingdoms living in security in Jerusalem. It's quite obvious in Jeremiah's time there was no northern kingdom
and in Jesus' time neither was there a northern kingdom nor was Judah saved, rather the opposite happened-Judah was under Roman occupation and was dispersed after the destruction of the Second Temple. Furthermore the verses refer to the promise of an everlasting throne for David's successor as well as for the Levitical priesthood. This does not mean there cannot be an interregnum or interuption- just that the positions remain and will be reinstated in the time of the true messiah. BTW Jesus could never be both a king and priest since priests were from the tribe of levi. The truth is we have no knowledge of Jesus' tribal affiliation since this is established through paternal lines and according to the Greek
Testament, Jesus father was the holy spirit-an entity without any tribal lineage.

 

[precepts]

Perhaps you could try to make your posts a little shorter as it is difficult to respond to such a lengthy post.

1). wrt Ezek 17. Please demonstrate where the word "tsemach" (branch) appears in these verses. v3 in Hebrew has "tsameret haarez" ie the lofty top of the cedar.
The parable concerns the King of Babylon (the great eagle) who takes Jeconiah and his officials to Babylon. The parable goes on to prophecy the downfall of Zedekiah v24 "I have dried up the green tree" and ascent of Zerubavel to be governor; v24 "I have made the dry tree blossom" ie dry tree is Jeconiah, the grandfather of Zerubavel. Please show us where Jesus is in this parable. I think the forum readers recognize that parables are open to various interpretations.

2).wrt Ezek 21 your translation from the KJB is faulty.

לב. עַוָּה עַוָּה עַוָּה אֲשִׂימֶנָּה גַּם זֹאת לֹא הָיָה עַד בֹּא אֲשֶׁר לוֹ הַמִּשְׁפָּט וּנְתַתִּיו:

A more accurate translation is :"A ruin,a ruin, a ruin I will make it; this too will not be, until he who has the judgment (hamishpat) will come, and I will deliver him."
This is reference to the downfall of Zedekiah and his falling into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. Again, I ask, where exactly is Jesus here except in your wild imagination?

3).wrt your Jer quote I suggest you read the entire chapter. esp v 14-18. where the Eternal tells the prophet about the mashiach who will reign in the messianic era. We know this because he speaks about the house of Israel and the house of Judah as separate houses ie the northern and southern kingdoms living in security in Jerusalem. It's quite obvious in Jeremiah's time there was no northern kingdom
and in Jesus' time neither was there a northern kingdom nor was Judah saved, rather the opposite happened-Judah was under Roman occupation and was dispersed after the destruction of the Second Temple. Furthermore the verses refer to the promise of an everlasting throne for David's successor as well as for the Levitical priesthood. This does not mean there cannot be an interregnum or interuption- just that the positions remain and will be reinstated in the time of the true messiah. BTW Jesus could never be both a king and priest since priests were from the tribe of levi. The truth is we have no knowledge of Jesus' tribal affiliation since this is established through paternal lines and according to the Greek
Testament, Jesus father was the holy spirit-an entity without any tribal lineage.

Which word is used for branch in Eze 21?

Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low, and abase [him that is] high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].

Where does that leave Joshua's crowning?!

 

[edwin]

Which word is used for branch in Eze 21?

Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low, and abase [him that is] high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].

Where does that leave Joshua's crowning?!

You seem obsessed with this notion of Jesus=Joshua. The fact is we have no sure knowledge of what his Hebrew name was and even if it was Joshua- so what?? You have not provided any clear, unambiguous proof that any of the scripture you have quoted until now is about Jesus. Part of your problem is utilizing translations of the original Hebrew in the Tanach which are often faulty and unreliable. Perhaps you could answer some of the questions previously posted. BTW, there is no mention of the word "branch" in Ezek 21 as far as I know. BTW#2, Jewish kings and priests were not "crowned"- they were anointed with a special oil- that's what "mashiach" means- "an anointed one".

 

[precepts]

You seem obsessed with this notion of Jesus=Joshua. The fact is we have no sure knowledge of what his Hebrew name was and even if it was Joshua- so what??

You didn't answer the question! Please answer the question. How does Ezekiel 21:25-27 relate to Joshua being crowned?

You have not provided any clear, unambiguous proof that any of the scripture you have quoted until now is about Jesus. Part of your problem is utilizing translations of the original Hebrew in the Tanach which are often faulty and unreliable.

That's the opposite of your problem.

Take off the crown until he whose right it is comes! There's nothing to misinterpret here.

The problem here is what God goes on to further say in the message, who will you liken him to, what image?!

Isa 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Isa 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
Isa 40:20 He that [is] so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree [that] will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, [that] shall not be moved.
Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isa 40:23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Isa 40:24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
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Isa 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make [me] equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
Isa 46:6 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, [and] hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
Isa 46:7 They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, [one] shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
Isa 46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring [it] again to mind, O ye transgressors.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me,

Perhaps you could answer some of the questions previously posted. BTW, there is no mention of the word "branch" in Ezek 21 as far as I know. BTW#2, Jewish kings and priests were not "crowned"- they were anointed with a special oil- that's what "mashiach" means- "an anointed one".

I'm not that stupid [edited].

The stone Chris-tianity has refused, the Joshua stone, the rolled as a witness against Israel post the Egyptian exodus!

 

[edwin]

You didn't answer the question! Please answer the question. How does Ezekiel 21:25-27 relate to Joshua being crowned?



That's the opposite of your problem.

Take off the crown until he whose right it is comes! There's nothing to misinterpret here.

The problem here is what God goes on to further say in the message, who will you liken him to, what image?!

Isa 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Isa 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
Isa 40:20 He that [is] so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree [that] will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, [that] shall not be moved.
Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isa 40:23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Isa 40:24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
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Isa 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make [me] equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
Isa 46:6 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, [and] hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
Isa 46:7 They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, [one] shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
Isa 46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring [it] again to mind, O ye transgressors.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me,


I'm not that stupid [edited].

The stone Chris-tianity has refused, the Joshua stone, the rolled as a witness against Israel post the Egyptian exodus!

Ezek 21 has nothing to do with "Joshua" being crowned. It can be interpreted as a near term prophecy and a messianic prophecy. What you are doing is retrofitting Jesus into this as the Messiah, and stating without any proof that his name is Joshua. Jesus did not fulfill any of the major items on the messianic agenda described by the prophets in the Hebrew Bible.

 

[Sinthesis]

Jesus did not fulfill any of the major items on the messianic agenda described by the prophets in the Hebrew Bible.

Sure He did. Some of the men of the Hebrew Bible named Joshua exhibited traits that foreshadow their ultimate fulfillment through Jesus the Messiah. Other men did as well, and some were not even Hebrew.

 

[precepts]

Ezek 21 has nothing to do with "Joshua" being crowned. It can be interpreted as a near term prophecy and a messianic prophecy. What you are doing is retrofitting Jesus into this as the Messiah, and stating without any proof that his name is Joshua. Jesus did not fulfill any of the major items on the messianic agenda described by the prophets in the Hebrew Bible.

If it has nothing to do with Joshau's crowning, then maybe you can explain why there was no king crowned after his reign?!

 

[precepts]

Explain why there's no king after Joshau'a reign, and why God would say the following if there was no king during the reign of the Persia/Medes, except until the Maccabees during the Greek period.

Jer 49:34 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying,
Jer 49:35 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.
Jer 49:36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
Jer 49:37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, [even] my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:
Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.
Jer 49:39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, [that] I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

God said he would set his throne in Elam, when there was no king post Joshua? Please explain.

 

[edwin]

Sure He did. Some of the men of the Hebrew Bible named Joshua exhibited traits that foreshadow their ultimate fulfillment through Jesus the Messiah. Other men did as well, and some were not even Hebrew.

I was not speaking about"traits" nor was I speaking about types and foreshadowings.The Hebrew Bible is pretty specific regarding the changes that will obvious in this world (not in some heavenly sphere) in the messianic age. Not only is Jesus genealogy wrong, he failed to accomplish the tasks he was supposed to, according to the prophets, during his lifetime. Please don't tell me that this will be acccomplished in his second coming. The second coming is a Christian apologetic invention to rationalize the failed agenda in his first coming. Moreover, if as you believe he was resurrected and ascended to heaven, then his return will be the third coming. So how many shots at this does he get???

Could you elaborate and specify these accomplishments?

 

[edwin]

Explain why there's no king after Joshau'a reign

I will be pleased to explain but first clarify whom you are referencing. Are you talking about Moses successor? Jesus?

 

[precepts]

I will be pleased to explain but first clarify whom you are referencing. Are you talking about Moses successor? Jesus?

You're trying to avoid the question, you're not that ignorant. Have you any iknowledge a gap between kings in Israel's history?