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Mormon scientist refutes the BoM

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rhino4X4

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Thanks to the honesty of people like Simon Southerton, people will see the lies of mormonism for what they are (a religious docu-fantasy wrapped up as true history). That this book was written, is amazing since mormonism has so many cult re-enforcers; beliefs that make it hard to leave that church.

"Losing a Lost Tribe
Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church
SIMON G. SOUTHERTON
Paperback. 216 Pages. / 1-56085-181-3/ $24.95

The Book of Mormon narrates voyages to the Americas by ancient Israelites. The descendants of these ancient seafarers are said to be the tribes of Native Americans who were on hand to greet Columbus, the Spanish Conquistadors, and the Pilgrims. Israelites are also said to be the ancestors of the Polynesians. “
copied from:
http://www.signaturebooks.com/Losing.htm

As a Mexican, I found the idea that Jewish exiles founded the great Mesoamerican civilizations, repugnant, a form of cultural imperialism. Throughout the conquest and colonization of the Western Hemisphere by Europeans, the Native Peoples were always degraded into less than-humans, making it easier to take their lands, lives and dignity. So that everyone but the Native Peoples themselves, were postulated as the originators of their impressive cultures and ruins; from space aliens, Hebrews, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Africans, Polynesians and Basques.

As a plant molecular geneticist, I think that he is in a very good position to administer the 'coup de grace' to the BoM on two levels, by researching or answering the following;
1)why the BoM never mentions the Mexican 'trinity'= maize, beans, squash; or the other memorable Mexican foods, like chilies & tomatoes
2)research on ancient pollens in the Western Hemisphere, should prove whether Old World crops where ever grown here during the pre-Columbian era as the BoM states.

I don't think that these are unreasonable questions to answer for him or anyone else, since it seems that once the two civilizations met, they also shared foods both ways in the Columbian Exchange:

“A lot of the food we take for granted wasn't even known to the Europeans until after the Columbian Exchange. When contact was made with the new world, a whole Cornucopia of new foods was introduced to the explorers, who would bring back these foods, and distribute them all over the world. “
copied from:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/garden/history/welcome.html

From my reading of history, it seems that many Mexican foods made it up to most parts of what became the US (as part of the agrarian revolution that accompanied settled life), maize (corn) was common throughout:

“CORN, the greatest of American cereals, is distinctively an American product. All evidence points to the fact that it was unknown in Europe until after the discovery of America. Its culture at an early period in this country is shown by the accounts of early explorers. Columbus, in writing to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1498, mentions cornfields in America 18 miles in length. Cartier, in the account of his explorations, states that the village of Hochelega, which later (in 1535) became Montreal, was situated in the midst of large cornfields. De Soto found large fields in Florida in 1675, and five years later La Salle noted large supplies in what is now the State of Illinois. That it was grown rather extensively is also indicated by the fact that in 1685 1,200,000 acres of corn belonging to the Seneca Indians were destroyed by the English in New York. In 1696 Frontenac, who invaded the Onondaga country in New York State, spent three days in destroying growing fields. “
copied from:
http://www.earthlypursuits.com/Vegetabl ... 1918-1.htm

I am unsure if any of you have ever tried chilies, whether in their original Mexican glory or in its descendant forms in African, Caribbean, Southeast Asian &/or Indian meals. As a research project, I would ask you how would you describe your first bite of a fiery hot “chili de arbol†or its descendant, the Thai chili? Would that experience have made it to the BoM, as a bitter herb? On that answer hangs the BoM as a true or false document.

Cordially,
rhino4x4
 
Hi there!

:angel:

for your reading pleasure...

http://www.exmormon.org/whylft125.htm

DNA evidences have always been a problem for the CoJCoLDS's... but this book will be explained aways as has previous similar information that all of the Americas are not the sole descendents of Lehi.

the argument is already presented.


http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/0, ... 78,00.html


Unfortunately, many people who come to the realization that the book of mormon is not true, still stay in the church because of family or friends, or because they are so interwoven into the culture that it would choke them financially to leave the church.


~serapha~
 
serapha said:
Unfortunately, many people who come to the realization that the book of mormon is not true, still stay in the church because of family or friends, or because they are so interwoven into the culture that it would choke them financially to leave the church.


~serapha~

This could be true in places like Utah or Idaho. For those in other places I would think it is probably financially liberating.
 
NO person living in the territory encompassing the Americas is, and ever was, a descendant of "Lehi". Lehi never existed!
 
evanman said:
NO person living in the territory encompassing the Americas is, and ever was, a descendant of "Lehi". Lehi never existed!

Thanks for your opinion. There are many here who agree. I do not.
 
GOD'S ARMY said:
evanman said:
NO person living in the territory encompassing the Americas is, and ever was, a descendant of "Lehi". Lehi never existed!

Thanks for your opinion. There are many here who agree. I do not.
Hi: I was just at the zoo today & 'lo & behold', they had a Malayan tapir, close cousin, of those so-called BoM "elephants" (as LDS experts now say), now you may believe the BoM, but there is no way that it is true, come on, you think any one really rode on 'deer', thinking they were 'horses"? or used war-clubs & called them 'swords"? the BoM talks of ME people, & there is no way that anyone from the Middle East would forget what a horse looked like, & look at what happened when real contact happened, horses escaped from the Spanish, ended up wild & being used by the natives, why didn't that happen after the destruction of the BoM empires? & thats just one thing, what about the metal, etc from the battle sites, cities, etc.., the natives should have pillaged & robbed the dead, therefor getting all that plunder, handing down those iron swords, to their chiefs, just like "Excalibur" or what happened to the wives & kids, did they get killed too? Read the BoM as a novel or docu-religio-fantasy, just like the “Da Vinci Codeâ€Â, it has a bunch of so-called “FACTS†too. Lehi, its a town in Pennsylvania, isn't it?
 
The best way to prove or disprove for yourself whether or not the Book of Mormon is true is to read some of it, objectively if that is at all possible for any of you, and then ask God, in the name of Jesus Christ whether it is true or not. To me some of the ancient Mosaic laws are difficult to understand, the Ressurrection can't be proven through logic or science or DNA, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it did. I know that through prayer and spiritual experiences that I cannot deny. That's the way to find out truth, ask God. If you have ever talked to a Mormon missionary, that is what they will tell you to do, not take their word for it, not look at the proofs or contradictions that science have shown, but to ask God, he knows the truth, he cares about you, and will answer your prayers.
 
but to ask God, he knows the truth, he cares about you, and will answer your prayers.
He did...in the Final Revelation of Jesus Christ, which just so happens to be the LAST book in the Bible. We are told to look for signs, not new revelations. And as Dorothey says...

"...if I ever go looking for my heart's desire again, I won't look any further than my own back yard. Because if it isn't there, I never really lost it to begin with! Is that right?"

:angel:
 
jmay,

I prayed and asked God about what the Mormon missionaries told me, and God said they were wrong.
 
How can anyone trust the words of a spirit that calls themself "Moron I"?

Guess you'd have to be some kind of Moron?
 
Pray and ask God if is true, that is so silly.

If it is not backed by history, archeology and contredicts what we already know to be the word of God, praying to ask if it is true is a fools game.

Besides early in my walk I did do that very thing, and God told me they were false teachers, have nothign to do with them.
 
jmay said:
The best way to prove or disprove for yourself whether or not the Book of Mormon is true is to read some of it, objectively if that is at all possible for any of you
I did, the BoM does not fit known history or logic. Listen JMAY, would you be so guillible if I told you that islam was really the true religion? they have 'proof', why according to them; Abraham, Moses & Jesus were really muslims. how can you deny such 'truth', why its already been 'proved', tell me, can 2 billion muslim people be wrong?

, and then ask God, in the name of Jesus Christ whether it is true or not.
first of all, under this system, I could become a muslim or hindu, if I do what you say for any other "holely" book. what do you think happens to them when they read their own "holely" books?
secondly, if you read the Bible, it has a dim view of other 'gospels' & false prophets, I do to

That's the way to find out truth, ask God. If you have ever talked to a Mormon missionary, that is what they will tell you to do, not take their word for it, not look at the proofs or contradictions that science have shown, but to ask God, he knows the truth, he cares about you, and will answer your prayers.
you must be a baby, God does not always answer us, no matter how sincere, otherwise Jews during the Holacaust would have been saved, Paul asking for relief from the 'thorn' in his side, Jesus asking for the Father, "to take this cup" before the Crucifixion
 
GOD'S ARMY said:
Thanks for your opinion. There are many here who agree. I do not.
in whose army are you in? what 'god' do you follow?

I'm still praying for the current mormon 'prophet' to get a new revelation, that LDS has to conform to christian truths; you know, like "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" Acts 2:12
 
rhino4X4 said:
...tell me, can 2 billion muslim people be wrong?...
While I do agree with you concerning the rest of your post, I just want to clarify something. The number of Muslims is about 1.2 billion, worldwide.

:o Man, don't scare us like that! :o LOL, 8-) .
 
What has the number of Moslems to do with the subject of Mormons?
 
evanman said:
What has the number of Moslems to do with the subject of Mormons?
It was an analogy...

jmay wrote:
The best way to prove or disprove for yourself whether or not the Book of Mormon is true is to read some of it, objectively if that is at all possible for any of you
rhino4X4 said:
...Listen JMAY, would you be so guillible if I told you that islam was really the true religion? they have 'proof', why according to them; Abraham, Moses & Jesus were really muslims. how can you deny such 'truth', why its already been 'proved', tell me, can 2 billion muslim people be wrong?...

:D
 
evanman said:
What has the number of Moslems to do with the subject of Mormons?
muslims also have a book, that they feel is true, so just trying to prove a point, to the following quote
jmay said:
The best way to prove or disprove for yourself whether or not the Book of Mormon is true is to read some of it, objectively if that is at all possible for any of you
 
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Islam considers Mormonism to be "An American Fairytale" source

A typical paragraph from the website

There is nothing in Mormonism [Islam] which could possibly entice any rational person to believe in its tenants. The Book of Mormon [Quran] cannot be read by many, simply because it is too dull, complicated, and with no clear meaning. Their ideology is racist, unbalanced and a clear forgery. The following should suffice any reader to believe the same.

Farside’s commentary is in the red print.

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P.S. Farside considers Islam to be an "Arabian Fairytale."

Kind Regards,
Farside
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