Mother of our salvation!

[for_his_glory]

An only child is still first born
Call no man father


misunderstandings!

Matt 23:9
Call no man Father?

Is this an absolute requirement?
Or is Our Savior condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

God calls men father!

Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Jesus calls men father!

Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

Mary calls men father!

Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Peter calls men father!

Acts3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

The stephen calls men father!

Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

The Bible calls men father!

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Then there is spiritual fathers!

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Peter, Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Isa 22 the administrator of the kingdom is called father, so the same for Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!


Eph 3: 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,


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Eph. 3:14-15 – every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.

Acts 7:2; 22:1, 1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

1 John 2:1,1 John 2:13,14 – John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”

Once again the scriptures you give does not support Catholics calling the Pope "Holy Father" and this is an abomination to God for only He is our Holy Father.

Matthew 23:1-12 explains why we call no one our father here on earth as in one we hold in higher praise then that of God as only God is held in the highest of our adoration.

It has nothing to do with calling your own dad father as we read in those scriptures that Jesus was chastising the scribes and Pharisees who exalted themselves above all trying to be everyone's master instead of being a servant as we are all called to be. Only God is our master and His sheep hear His voice.

 

[for_his_glory]

Glad you are conceding. The “firstborn” were not given the title because there was a “second-born.” Rather, it is a title given at birth. Being the firstborn does not require subsequent siblings nor does it imply there are or will even be subsequent siblings.

I'm not conceding to anything you have said, but only agreeing with your one point that is so obvious that the first born is the first. First is first, second is second and third is third.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus is God become man.

This is Christianity 101.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you know what a straw man fallacy is?

Again, I was hoping you would engage in an intellectual discussion. Erecting a straw man ends that.

I don’t worship Mary any more than you sacrifice babies to Baal. This is a straw man.

I'm sorry you see my replies as a straw man fallacy as I have addressed everything you have said with scripture and history. Just because we do not agree does not mean I am not having an intellectual discussion with you. I am a 66 year old woman and not a child. What I am refuting is that of the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in what I have studied in the scriptures that come against these false doctrines and that of the four Empires being the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian and Roman Empire as the Roman Empire still exist today within the Roman Catholic Church, hence the name "Roman" Catholic.

Maybe you do not worship Mary, but the biggest majority of Catholics do.

 

[for_his_glory]

You just divided Christ into separate parts, quantities and portions. And here we see how the Church’s Marian dogmas safeguard orthodox Trinitarian theology and Christology.

Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Hence Mary is the mother of God.

The incarnation, by definition, requires a mother.

Mary did not give birth to the Trinity, but only gave birth to that part of the Trinity (Christ Jesus) that was the word of God that was made flesh and blood that came into the world, not to condemn it, but to save those who live in it. John 1:1-14; 3:16-17