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Muhammad the "Comforter" -- another Muslim lie

Why do Muslim lie like this?

  • Islam allows them to lie

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  • They have to try and prove the Quran somehow... even by deception

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  • This is no lie. It is all true. Muhammad IS in the Bible!

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Since the Hadith itself says that Mohammed himself justified murder and pedophlie, then why do the Muslims think Mohammed is lying when they say he didn't do these things? Or, if they change their minds and say he did do these things, then how can they say they preach love and praise a man who endorsed murder?

It sounds like they, not only have a problem deciding what's true and what isn't, but also what the phrase "A bad tree cannot bear good fruit" means. The fact that they don't see these contradictions shows how contradictory their belief system is! So what they do instead, is say;"What's true and false doesn't matter. What matters is "I believe Mohammed." That's like after hearing murderers confess that they have not only murdered but also that they don't know if they're demon-possed, then others saying, I think you you are a great man." Based on what?
 
Gary_Bee said:
warner said:
Mohamed Number 1 above all other humans whether you like it or not ...

Really?? The Quran and the Hadith prove that Muhammad sinned. The Quran and the Bible prove that Jesus was sinless.

Muhammad was a licentious man, a murderer, barbaric and unethical, a liar and a hypocrite. He was deceitful, inconsistent, immoral, lustful, a polygamist, an adulterer. He had slaves and concubines, a low regard for women. He encouraged wife beating.

Muhammad had little regard for the value of human life, especially those who opposed or exposed him. He instituted Jihad and called for the death of all who opposed him or Islam. Muhammad sent his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night using deceit and lies. He was an assassin.

He showed signs of physical, spiritual and mental derangement. He was delusional and even attempted suicide. His wife reported that he was bewitched.

Muhammad massacred his prisoners of war indiscriminately. He was a criminal and a mass murderer. Muhammad raided merchant caravans and stole their goods. He was a highway robber. Muhammad made and then broke treaties. He was dishonest.

Muhammad cursed people and preached hatred towards other human beings.

Muhammad captured human beings and sold them or asked for a payment of a ransom to release them. He was a slave merchant and a terrorist.

Muhammad was sex-mad. Muhammad, at the age of 53, became aroused by a 9-year-old child. He was a paedophile. Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.

Want proof? Read on... CLICK HERE: Who was Muhammad?

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So who is better one who is sinless or one who turns to his lord and begs for forgiveness?
 
Please show me where Muhammad repented for these specific and horrendous crimes.

Muhammad claimed to be and example for ALL....

Here is Muhammad's claim:
  • "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)..." (Sura 3:31).

    "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).

Why would any sane person follow this man?

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Gary_Bee said:
Please show me where Muhammad repented for these specific and horrendous crimes.

Muhammad claimed to be and example for ALL.... Yes, he is an example... for thugs and murderers and terrorists and child molesters.

Here is Muhammad's claim:
  • "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)..." (Sura 3:31).

    "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).

Why would any sane person follow this thug?

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Do you like to evade questions like this? i asked a simple question and you could not answer. Who is better one who is conatantly begging his god for forgiveness even if he has't done anything or one who is sinless.
BTW you claim to know Islam so much,You should have the answer yourself where Mohamed repented. By the way you seem to know so much about islam that you are blaming mohamed for the words written in the Quran when he did not write. This is what happens when you get educated by answering Islam.com. There is a saying that goes if you hang around with dogs you catch flees.
Peace
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Who is "better"? Muhammad or Jesus? Why... Jesus of course! He was sinless. To try and follow the example of a sinless Jesus is obviously better than mimicing the evil that was Muhammad. I am sure you agree.

Now answer my question.

Where did Muhammad repent for his specific and horrendous crimes?

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Gary_Bee said:
Who is "better"? Muhammad or Jesus? Why... Jesus of course! He was sinless. To try and follow the example of a sinless Jesus is obviously better than mimicing the evil that was Muhammad. I am sure you agree.

Now answer my question.

Where did Muhammad repent for his specific and horrendous crimes?

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1.Either you are Lying.
2.Your Bible is Lying.
3.Or Jesus is lying.
4.You don't know what you are talking about.

I would think 1,2and 4 are right.

The verses below explains it all. Jesus says:
Luke 15:
10 (AVRLE) Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
11 (AVRLE) And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12 (AVRLE) And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13 (AVRLE) And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14 (AVRLE) And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15 (AVRLE) And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16 (AVRLE) And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17 (AVRLE) And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18 (AVRLE) I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 (AVRLE) And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 (AVRLE) And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 (AVRLE) And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 (AVRLE) But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 (AVRLE) And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 (AVRLE) For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25 (AVRLE) Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26 (AVRLE) And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27 (AVRLE) And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28 (AVRLE) And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29 (AVRLE) And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 (AVRLE) But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31 (AVRLE) And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32 (AVRLE) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.


Read the one who repent and begs for forgiveness is better than the one who has not sinned.So either you are contradiciting yourself or your book is contradictiing Itself or you have to go back to school and learn your own religion.
The Prophet mohamed was not a sinner, but nevertheless out of fear of his lord he constantly begged for forgiveness and taught all his followers to do so too.
So please do yourself a favour promote yopur religion rather than slander other peoples' religions.It is not worthy of promoting. Are you so ashamed to promote your religion that you have to spend all your time running down other peoples' religion.Is that the way Jesus sent his Disciples to spread his message.Oh! I forgot you don't follow Jesus , it is all lip service.

Peace
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A few points...

1) Muhammad was a sinner. We all know that. He even admits it in his Quran.

2) Jesus was and is sinless. Both the Bible and the Quran agree on this.

3) In the parable of the prodigal son, you will notice that the son comes back... and he KNOWS that he has sinned.... and he asks for forgiveness from that sin. "And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son." That is what God calls for. Repentance from your specific sins. Muhammad NEVER repented from his sins of murder, lust, child-molesting and deceit.

4) The older son did sin. His sin was anger and jealousy. "Luke 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him."

5) The whole point of the parable is how happy God is when a sinner repents of his specific sin. Muhammad sinned but did not repent of his murders, his lust, his deceit.

6) Lastly, showing that Muhammad is a false prophet "by his fruits" is exactly what Jesus asked us to do. He said we would know false prophets because their deeds would reveal their true nature. Muhammad's deeds were evil. By his fruits we know that he is a false prophet. That is not slander; that is fact.

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Gary_Bee said:
A few points...

1) Muhammad was a sinner. We all know that. He even admits it in his Quran.

2) Jesus was and is sinless. Both the Bible and the Quran agree on this.

3) In the parable of the prodigal son, you will notice that the son comes back... and he KNOWS that he has sinned.... and he asks for forgiveness from that sin. "And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son." That is what God calls for. Repentance from your specific sins. Muhammad NEVER repented from his sins of murder, lust, child-molesting and deceit.

4) The older son did sin. His sin was anger and jealousy. "Luke 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him."

5) The whole point of the parable is how happy God is when a sinner repents of his specific sin. Muhammad sinned but did not repent of his murders, his lust, his deceit.

6) Lastly, showing that Muhammad is a false prophet "by his fruits" is exactly what Jesus asked us to do. He said we would know false prophets because their deeds would reveal their true nature. Muhammad's deeds were evil. By his fruits we know that he is a false prophet. That is not slander; that is fact.

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Gary_Bee said:
1) Muhammad was a sinner. We all know that. He even admits it in his Quran
A blatant lie or a show of ignorance.Mohamed did not write the Quran he could not read or write.You try so hard to discredit this man yet you know nothing about him.Go learn the truth and not from biased sites may be you will become wiser.So he admitted to nothing in the Quran, cos he did nothing that needed admitting


Gary_Bee said:
2) Jesus was and is sinless. Both the Bible and the Quran agree on this.
Prove all things


Gary_Bee said:
5) The whole point of the parable is how happy God is when a sinner repents of his specific sin. Muhammad sinned but did not repent of his murders, his lust, his deceit..
Again assumption first that he sinned and secondly that he did not repent. As far as christianity is concerned all other prophets sinned appart from jesus.What blaspheme to ascribe to prophets who were the Chosen men of GOD to preach his message.Your religion claims Abraham, David and Solomon and lot and others sinned.Islam Tells us they were examples to the world, chosen by GOD to spread his message.If they had sinned themselves it would not be truth they would be spreading but falsehood. So stop fooling your self with the lip service and pay due respect to all prophets.As they were the elite chosen men of GOd and some were brutally beaten and laid down their lives for their messages.

Gary_Bee said:
6) Lastly, showing that Muhammad is a false prophet "by his fruits" is exactly what Jesus asked us to do. He said we would know false prophets because their deeds would reveal their true nature. Muhammad's deeds were evil. By his fruits we know that he is a false prophet. That is not slander; that is fact. .
Whatever you are claiming was his crime I can show you worst from the Bible. you are specialists in deception, Hide what is in your books but show the faults of others. Agaian you know nothing of the propphet Mohamed to comment about his fruits all you know is Bias and lies you have been fed and have fed to others from Anti Islamic sites.
Eevn if true books and sites were shown to you you would deny them and prefer to stick to the lies you propagate. Had you known a little about him but you know nothing. You think that you know but you don't.
Peace
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Jesus was sinless.... the Bible and the Quran agree on this.

However, Muhammad and many of the other prophets sinned!

According to the Bible Jesus is the only person who ever lived who was entirely without sin. The book charges all men, from Adam onwards, as being under the power of sin (Romans 3:9) and as having sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Only Jesus is excepted. A typical passage declaring his absolute integrity reads:

He committed no sin, no guile was found on his lips. 1 Peter 2:22

Other passages confirm this. God made him to be sin, who knew no sin, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him (2 Corinthians 5:21). We know that Jesus appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin (1 John 3:5).

The Qur’an, too, declares that Jesus was without sin. When the Angel Jibril (Gabriel) appeared to Mary to announce her conception of Jesus, he said:

I am only a messenger of your Lord, to announce to you a faultless son. Surah 19:19

The words used in Arabic to describe him are ghulaaman-zakiyyan, "a most-holy boy." The word zakiyya, meaning "blameless," appears only twice in the Qur’an. The other occasion is in a story about Moses in which he was on a journey with an unnamed companion who had been sent to guide him into deeper knowledge and understanding. At length they met a young man and his companion, known in Islam as al-Khidr, "the Green One," a mysterious figure who is said to appear to holy men from time to time, immediately slew him without giving any reason for doing so. Moses asked why he had slain an innocent person who had not slain anyone else? The companion ordered him to be patient, to which Moses responded that he should not have questioned him.

The word for "innocent," in this context again meaning blameless, is zakiyya. Moses was only referring to the young man’s innocence of any crime deserving death, but, in Jesus’ case, the angel was describing his whole personality and character before he was even born. "Faultless," or blameless, clearly means without sin. So the Qur’an confirms the Biblical teaching that Jesus was the only sinless person who would ever live as the Qur’an nowhere described anyone else in this way.

On the contrary, the Qur’an acknowledges the sins of the other prophets and specifically refers to the sins of Adam (Surah 7:23), Abraham (26:82), Moses (28:16), Jonah (37:142) and Muhammad (47:19, 48:2). In the case of Muhammad the Qur’an expressly commands him to ask forgiveness (wastaghfir) of his sins (dhanbika). The words used are employed throughout the Qur’an in the same context and there can be no doubt about their meaning, despite the subtle attempts of many Muslim commentators to reduce them to less imposing terms (such as to ask for "protection" from his "shortcomings").

Read more.... -click here-

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warner said:
Again you know nothing of the prophet Mohamed to comment about his fruits all you know is Bias and lies you have been fed and have fed to others from Anti Islamic sites.
Even if true books and sites were shown to you you would deny them and prefer to stick to the lies you propagate.



What happens when Islamic sources are cited? Your own sources show that Muhammad had some serious character flaws... (to say the least)... they are such an embarrassment that Muslims will sometimes try to deny them!
 
I find it interesting that you titled the poll "Why do Muslims lie like this" as if you automaticly assumed they were lying. Perhaps they're not lying from their point of view.
 
philbo said:
I find it interesting that you titled the poll "Why do Muslims lie like this" as if you automaticly assumed they were lying. Perhaps they're not lying from their point of view.

Clinton wasn't lying from his perspective either.

The lie is obvious. The paraklete- the one who "comes alongside" is said by Jesus to be with us forever and inside of us, just as Jesus said that this comforter dwelt within the Apostles (John 14:17). Does Islam teach that Muhammed was inside the Apostles? Does Islam teach that Muhammed is the Holy Spirit? (John 14:26)

Ridiculous.
 
DivineNames said:
warner said:
Again you know nothing of the prophet Mohamed to comment about his fruits all you know is Bias and lies you have been fed and have fed to others from Anti Islamic sites.
Even if true books and sites were shown to you you would deny them and prefer to stick to the lies you propagate.



What happens when Islamic sources are cited? Your own sources show that Muhammad had some serious character flaws... (to say the least)... they are such an embarrassment that Muslims will sometimes try to deny them!
Muslims will all the time deny the truth about Muhammad and some muslim will not even quote from the hadith. To get the truth about Muhammad from any muslims is like getting blood from a stone only Jesus can do that
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA
 
One of the names given to Muhammad that I've never heard any muslim address is "Muhammad the Obliterator".I wonder why that is?
 
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