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Must we do the will of God to get saved?
- Thread starter anabana
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handy
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:waving Hi anabana, welcome to the forum!!! We're glad you joined us.
I think we could say that we are saved to do God's will, rather than we do God's will to get saved.
The way the Scriptures put it is this way:
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
It is important to do God's will and we are saved to do God's will... but it is not our doing of God's will that saves us... Our salvation is by God's grace.
I think we could say that we are saved to do God's will, rather than we do God's will to get saved.
The way the Scriptures put it is this way:
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
It is important to do God's will and we are saved to do God's will... but it is not our doing of God's will that saves us... Our salvation is by God's grace.
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Hi anabana. The answer to your question is no. To get saved, all you have to do is change your unbelief in who Jesus Christ is. It's your faith that saves you. Transformation is a one time thing. They cannot do the will of God if the Holy Spirit hasn't dwelled inside of that person yet. God meets you right where you are. Blessings.
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true true.
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Brother Mike
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Why is this a question. If you obey and serve God, you live your life in prosperity, and spend your years in pleasure. Why miss out on that? Also, not doing the will of God could effect you being saved.
So yes, to stay saved, you need to do the will of God. I don't speak of the religious understanding of Saved, I am talking about the actual word.
Mike.
Jethro Bodine
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Justification (being made righteous before God) is based entirely on believing in the forgiveness of God through the blood of Christ.
The footprint, or evidence, of that faith is it's obedience to God. James said the faith that can not be seen in what it does is the faith that can not save. And so it is in that sense that what we do saves us.
farouk
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I don't understand the concept of 'staying saved', here. Either one is born again of God, or one isn't. We can reasonably look for evidence of faith as proof that it's genuine, which is another matter.
Jethro Bodine
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Look at this...
"...Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>who are protected by the power of God..." (1 Peter 1:4-5 NASB)
Sounds like what you're saying, right?
Now look at the rest of the passage...
"...protected by the power of God through faith..." (1 Peter 1:5 NASB)
Faith is how you were saved. Faith is how you STAY saved. Lose your faith along the way and you lose the avenue through which God protects you for the "salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Peter 1:5 NASB).
That continuing faith, like Abraham, is identified by the footprints it leaves. But many say the faith that saves doesn't really have to leave any foot prints. The foot prints being on the path of God's will in regard to what faith is expected to do.
farouk
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[MENTION=88699]Jethro Bodine[/MENTION]:
Faith leaves footprints, yes, indeed.
'Staying saved' can be taken to mean that although a person is truly born of God, s/he must do this and that in order not to become lost again. I don't see this in the Bible.
If there is no evidence of faith, then one can legitimately wonder if the person was truly born again in the first place.
But I truly struggle with the idea that a work of God, wrought through the Spirit on account of the perfect, finished work of Christ at the Cross, can be undone.
Blessings.
Faith leaves footprints, yes, indeed.
'Staying saved' can be taken to mean that although a person is truly born of God, s/he must do this and that in order not to become lost again. I don't see this in the Bible.
If there is no evidence of faith, then one can legitimately wonder if the person was truly born again in the first place.
But I truly struggle with the idea that a work of God, wrought through the Spirit on account of the perfect, finished work of Christ at the Cross, can be undone.
Blessings.
Now where does it say that we can lose our faith and where does it say that Abrahams' continual faith is what saved him?
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Brother Mike
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Making Jesus Lord of your life, net's you eternal life in Christ Jesus. I don't think the question of being saved as in how most people look at it is in question.
Act 4:9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
The topic was............... By what means He is made whole. How this man get healed? By what authority?
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Thayer Definition:
1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
1a) one (from injury or peril)
1a1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
many are born again, but do not walk in the "All things become new" To stay saved we have to walk by faith, and face each challenge in life with the Word and being diligent in the Word though meditation of scriptures that build us up and transform us to saving our soul (Our mind, thinking James) Being citizens of Heaven we have to learn how to operate now on this Earth, in faith and come to know the power of the name of Jesus spoken in faith by which that name is given to us.
So I meant saved as in what the Word actually means, not the definition we gave it.
Mike.
Jethro Bodine
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Well all us Protestants have been programmed to automatically reject any notion whatsoever that we 'did' something to get saved, but the Bible clearly shows that you 'do' the work of believing to be saved.
Somehow the church's understanding of Paul's 'righteousness (by faith) apart from works' (Romans 4:6 NIV) got distorted to include even the very 'work' of believing. And that being saved is completely and totally and without exception not conditioned on ANYTHING we do. Just not true. We 'do' the work of believing to be saved. What Paul is contrasting that work of believing with is any other righteous work. So what you are demonstrating here is the typical knee-jerk reaction from the church to the truth that we do in fact 'do' something to get saved. Not putting you down. Just making an observation.
Which is the common conclusion the church comes to in regard to those who seem to have lost their faith as evidenced by their return to their sins.
What changed, what ended was that person's believing--his trusting in that which God showed him, through the gift of faith, to be true about Jesus.
The warnings of the Bible are to keep believing. It's hard for me personally to relate to (there's always tomorrow), but apparently it is possible to stop believing.
You won't get this, though, if you think that 'faith' and 'believing' are one and the same thing and God did your believing for you because the Bible says 'faith' is the free gift of God (which is surely is). What we did was trust God through the free gift of faith. Faith is the free gift that makes our work of believing possible.
The 'work' of believing is not part of the work that Paul says can not justify a person. The work of believing is the very thing that justifies a person.
TRUTH over TRADITION
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Not as simple of a question as it seems. Before addressing it, we must identify what being saved entails. After establishing what the salvation offered is from, we can then determine what, if anything must be done in order to be given the salvation spoken of.
farouk
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I see no Biblical, linguistic reason to justify this statement.
Really I should maybe bow out of all this.
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Maybe in a perfect world where the devil never tempts you and you live a sinless life?
I'm a little baffled of why this is coming from you. Aren't you a OSAS member.
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Brother Mike
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Well, I am blessed, and don't practice sin. Now to say I did everything God said do, or did it all perfectly then no. However we do have an advocate with the Father.
I was using the Greek Word saved not the religious understanding of it. We must walk by faith, or else. Talking about having eternal life then not having it, Jesus said I will not blot your name out of the book. That sort of means to me that it is possible to get ones name removed from the book of life once it had been written in.
Mike.
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That it is possible to get ones name removed? I will not blot your name out means just that. There is no "possible" in that sentence. I will not, means I will not.
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Brother Mike
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interesting way to look at it.
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
I don't read sentences like that though or understand them that way.
Whoever crosses the finish line first, wins a prize.
If you don't clean your room, you won't go to the movies.
He that overcomes (What happens if you don't care, and don't overcome) I will not blot their name out of the book. Jesus also said affirmed this by saying if someone denies his name before men, He denies them before his Father.
Very strange way you read there. I guess where your from there would be no consequences for not meeting the first condition. In the U.S we read things a bit different. Thank you for the input.
Mike.