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My Right To Die

I believe people have the right to end their own life should they choose to do so. Especially if death is imminent.
Only by refusing medical treatment, or food and water. And even then only if they are in a reasonable state of mind to make that decision.

My dad decided that the next time he got pneumonia while in the nursing home he would not take tube feedings but let it take it's course (He had Parkinson's). And that's exactly what he did. He was 82 years old. My brother said the nurse told him he cried when he got sick that last time.
 
Brother Mike,

It is only by asking God that we can remove demons.

Job's only sin was that of undue pride, to my knowledge.

I edited my post above because I made an error


1288 [e]yə-ḇā-ră-ḵe-kā.יְבָרֲכֶֽךָּ׃he will curseVerb
Hebrew Texts

bârak
BDB Definition:
1) to bless, kneel
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to kneel
1a2) to bless
1b) (Niphal) to be blessed, bless oneself
1c) (Piel) to bless
1d) (Pual) to be blessed, be adored
1e) (Hiphil) to cause to kneel
1f) (Hithpael) to bless oneself

Barak means to bless, the dictionary mentions curse because that is what Strongs and BDB are, they are dictionaries that give meaning to Words by what the translators translated them to. Not real Greek and Hebrew studies. Barak was only translated Curse in Job. It actually means to bless back or salute back.

Job did not sin, Where there is no law, sin is not imputed. Job would have to had knowledge of wrong done, and if you read through the book of Job, He was clueless as to what happened.

Job did blame God though through the whole thing. Bad move on Job's part.

Asking God to remove devils:

God would have had to put the devil on someone, for them to have rights to ask God to remove the devils from them. Instead, we are told to resist the devil by faith and submit to God.

If God sent the devil, then no amount of resisting and submitting is going to work against the will of God.

That means God is not sending devils, and the Kingdoms are not divided. Remember they got in trouble for accusing Jesus of casting out devils, hurting the demonic Kingdom by using devil power. God is not using devil power to instruct us, or test us. God needs no devil anyway to find out where your heart is at.

We are not going to get ride of demons, they are going to be around no matter what until the appointed time. Submitting to God, and resisting the devil is the best way to get that rat to flee.

If anyone wants the devil to leave them alone, don't acknowledge what he is doing. He can only know what to respond back to by our input. So if a devil moves a chair across the room to put fear into someone, they should just tell the devil to put it back where they found the chair.

We do have authority over devils, and at rare times have to cast them out of someone.

Job:

Job did not sin. Job broke a spiritual law. Job also blew it by asking WHY when things went bad for him. When things go wrong, its not time to ask Why, it's time to get help from God. Job never one time asked God for help.
Job is a good lesson of what not to do, when the devil has a place to attack.

Job served God before God made him rich. God blessed Job through obedience. However, that is how Job knew God. Job figured if He did well, then God would continue to bless him. There was no love or relationship with God there. Not like David.

Neither give place to the devil.
(Eph 4:27)

For Satan to get to Job, Satan needed to get a place. God gave promises that are eternal in the Word.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
(Deu 30:19)

Job's children were murdered by the enemy, so Job did not see this scripture fully operate in his life. The choices were to choose life, and blessings. You can choose death and/or the curse.

We make choices by words and/or Actions.

Jesus said the same thing, Every idle word man shall speak, they shall give an account of it. We make choices by words. (Matt 12)

Job put his words and actions against the Word. Through ignorance though.

It started with the children who had big parties. Every time they had a party, Job dragged an animal out of the barn and sacrificed for them all, for they might have cursed God in their heart. Thus Job did continually.

And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
(Job 1:5)


What causes a person to continually sacrifice for someone? What is motivating Job here?

It's the same reason David numbered the troops. David was afraid He might not have enough for battle.
Job was in fear of loss. In Job's mind, if you curse God, then you die. God never said that, but Job believed it, that if you curse God, then God kills you.

Satans mental theme for Job....... curse god, curse God, curse God, curse God.

Same mental pounding he does today. Satan presents a thought and waits to see if the thought takes and we act on it.

God is watching the whole thing, watching Job act in accordance to fear the Devil is putting in Job.

Devil shows up............ Paraphrased:

God: You consider my servant Job, that Job is the bomb and nobody more upright than Job.
Devil: yea, but Does Job serve you for free? You hooked him up, gave him great things and set a hedge around him. Now it seems to me that If YOU God, Put YOUR hands on him, then Job will salute you back, and blame you for the loss.

(Narrator) Satan told God to personally harm Job with his own hands. God responds back to that request.

God: umm, Pay attention dummy, look!!! he is in your power, I am not touching Job. I also find it pointless to even harm Job, though You attempted to get me to harm him. There is no point in this.

(Narrator) God lets the devil know, that harming Job is in vain, and there is no point or reason for it.

MSG does a real good Job with this:

Then GOD said to Satan, "Have you noticed my friend Job? There's no one quite like him, is there--honest and true to his word, totally devoted to God and hating evil? He still has a firm grip on his integrity! You tried to trick me into destroying him, but it didn't work."
(Job 2:3)

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
(Job 2:3)

(Narrator) God had ZERO reason, or purpose for any harm to come to Job. God had nothing to do with it.

Job's Wife:
Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
(Job 2:9)

(Narrator) Wonder who put that in Job's wife Head? We know who....... curse God, curse god, curse God........

Fear:

58 times it's written to Fear not.
48 times it's written to be not afraid.
be of good courage, take no thought, Be careful for nothing (Worry)

You don't break the Word over and over, and expect things to go well.

This was Job's issue, and it started with the kids, it was also when the kids got together again, Satan attacked that day. It's all connected.

For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.
(Job 3:25)

Satan brought to pass everything Job had listened to the lies about and caused Job fear. Nothing happened to Job but those things He was fearful of.

Elihu said, God does not do evil, but renders to everyman according to their ways, and God knew Job was listening and obeying Satan by responding to the fear, and for God to just Stop Satan would go against his Word, and God would be unjust to do so. Satan had a place, had Gotten Job worried and following his directions.

Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
(Job 34:10-11)

Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

Blessings.
 
The fundamental problem with this subject of assisted suicide and similarly difficult circumstances is it's a worldly matter--God isn't in it, so it's just one of those frustrations of the world. We all know how to approach it as Christians, but there are no answers for the world about these things. It reminds me of Paul telling Timothy, as a soldier for Christ, not to get involved in civilian matters. Until Christ comes into the argument somewhere along the line for the person dying I'm staying out of it. They've chosen a life (and death) without Christ and they'll just have to struggle through that by themselves. That's the harsh reality.

It's kind of narcissistic to decide you're going to control your own fate in death. I haven't been any where even close to dealing with imminent death so I want to be as humble and sensitive as I can be about this, but I see a narcissism potentially at work in the person who wants to skip out on the world when their fairy land ride comes to an abrupt end, or is about to. That's what I was thinking when Robin Williams killed himself. Again, I'm saying that as humbly as I can because I may find myself in similar circumstances and may suddenly understand the desire to cash out of a life that, relative to what I have been living, is no longer livable.
 
the problem is that its always cheaper to let a person die then to try to cure that disease . money not morality drives the medical system. im not saying its the doctors but most of the time its the insurance that tells the doctors what they will pay for. sure there will be docs that will prescribe death.

you mentioned pneumonia. that wasn't able to be cured prior to the early 70's could you imagine a ten year old saying I want to die via a pill rather then take a chance with that disease? and now unless we wait to long or are eldery or have copd or asthma , or aids. no one worries about pneumonia
 
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/there-is-nothing-brave-about-suicide/
be very careful about what you support. as I have said this isn't about death for the terminally ill but for those that are weak. I know a man who had a brain tumor and beat it and he said he would give that time with the lord for anything.
One of the most brilliant minds alive today wrote that! I have read his stuff before, he never disappoints.

I agree that I cannot label her as "Brave". Not at all.

But on the other hand, I also know that when I got ill this spring, I was ready to die -yet I felt, somehow, that it was not my time and that I would survive.
But I am NOT much of a fighter. I prayed, "Lord, you can take me now - I would like to get better and live, but I am ready to go if my life will be one of less mobility, independence and happiness."

If I were in that girl's shoes, I can't honestly say that I'd NOT go looking for an easy way out - but I know this, I don't believe ANYONE would know what I was doing - there is no way I'd want to become the poster child of the "right to die" movement. It would be something personal for me, nothing more.

On a related note, my sister continues to go down hill. I hate what her life is, and how much worse it is going to get. I simply do not understand the suffering and unhappiness that she is forced to endure.

I can say the same for this woman, I do not understand why she has to go thru this. Sometimes, I think the best thing that can happen to us, is die. And those of us who simply drop dead ARE the luckiest people I know (thinking of my friend's Dad who simply fell over dead one day while making dinner with his wife - I believe it was God's way of rewarding a very humble and faithful servent - Mr Palmer never knew real suffering, he exited quickly with no fanfare.)

I pray, almost every day since this spring, "Please Lord, when it comes time for me to go - please take me quickly, without warning."
 
One of the most brilliant minds alive today wrote that! I have read his stuff before, he never disappoints.

I agree that I cannot label her as "Brave". Not at all.

But on the other hand, I also know that when I got ill this spring, I was ready to die -yet I felt, somehow, that it was not my time and that I would survive.
But I am NOT much of a fighter. I prayed, "Lord, you can take me now - I would like to get better and live, but I am ready to go if my life will be one of less mobility, independence and happiness."

If I were in that girl's shoes, I can't honestly say that I'd NOT go looking for an easy way out - but I know this, I don't believe ANYONE would know what I was doing - there is no way I'd want to become the poster child of the "right to die" movement. It would be something personal for me, nothing more.

On a related note, my sister continues to go down hill. I hate what her life is, and how much worse it is going to get. I simply do not understand the suffering and unhappiness that she is forced to endure.

I can say the same for this woman, I do not understand why she has to go thru this. Sometimes, I think the best thing that can happen to us, is die. And those of us who simply drop dead ARE the luckiest people I know (thinking of my friend's Dad who simply fell over dead one day while making dinner with his wife - I believe it was God's way of rewarding a very humble and faithful servent - Mr Palmer never knew real suffering, he exited quickly with no fanfare.)

I pray, almost every day since this spring, "Please Lord, when it comes time for me to go - please take me quickly, without warning."

I remember praying about not dying when I left for country.
 
My right to death with dignity at 29

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/maynard-assisted-suicide-cancer-dignity/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
We had to uproot from California to Oregon, because Oregon is one of only five states where death with dignity is authorized.
"Death with dignity" MY EYE! More like "afraid to live"! As there is no dignity in suicide! (I know I've probably offended someone as suicide touches many lives and if you are grieving the suicide of someone, my prayers are with you) this woman needs HOPE, not death! Heck, I could die tomorrow in any number of horrific ways worse then cancer...am I going to kill myself just to avoid a probable fate? NO!
 
I could die tomorrow in any number of horrific ways worse then cancer...
I would disagree, because if you die in the next day, your death is not that bad. See... I think there are two things that make a death horrible:

1) Long term horrible pain
2) Long term disability (such as my sister is living with)

Now, in the case of my sister, it would be somewhat easier if she had at least a half million dollars of savings to 'buy' comfort and care, but as it is, she does not and is dependent on disability and what pitiful care that social security disability provides. (Had her marriage lasted, it would not be so bad, either - Franc was not that bad of a person, and he did what he could to keep her comfortable, but that was not good enough for her, now she does not even have that.)

My sister is in late M.S., her condition is far less physically painful than my mother's nine year battle with severe heart trouble, but her quality of life is horribly worse than Mom's.

(The following is not directed at you, Regina)
I am troubled by some of the responses in this thread.

While I dont' believe that suicide is the right answer, I also would say that telling people that God is going to heal them OR that (for example, as an illustration of some things I've read on Facebook, etc) "Paul suffered greatly and learned to be content - what is your problem?" is the answer, either. Fact is, those of us not in the middle of what these people are going thru, often, dont have a clue what we are talking about when we speak of how they should handle the situation.

I refuse to state emphatically what they should do/think/say, instead, I am VERY THANKFUL that, so far, God has spared me of such suffering as these people are faced with.

Life is NOT fair, some of us are handed things that are disturbingly uncomfortable or horrible. And when someone says to me that "your sister has to learn to be happy" or other such baloney, I simply turn and walk away - I have little tolerance for the ignorantly arrogant.

Is the young woman in the OP brave? No. Is she a coward? I can't go that far - on some ways I think she is very strong - I have not the courage to end my own life. Of course, facing what she is, maybe I would have such courage - if not for the fact that I'd be fearful of God's reaction to me ending my own life.

All in all, I simply remain thankful that this is not MY story. I refuse to post anything that is (and I HATE to use this stupid word) "judgmental" of her.
I will judge her AFTER (and I pray this never happens) I am faced with such a situation and have dealt with it myself.

She needs the Lord, I agree. And I bet she'd handle it better IF she knew the Lord - but I know one 70 year old lifelong pillar of my church up in Michigan who shot himself dead because he did not want their life savings spent taking care of him, leaving his 55 year bride with no money. He also was terrified of the treatments and pain he was about to endure. Mr Benson is in heaven today, rejoicing with the Lord, who has wiped the tears from his eyes and forgiven him for pulling the trigger. How do I know that? I know that because I know my Lord of 36 years and I knew Mr Benson's heart. There is much I don't know, but I do know those two things.
 
im not denying that unless we are there we really don't know, but also we shouldn't use that to rush into euthanasia where a legitimate personal decision to not seek treatment and die from the illness as there is no cure or such like to its being mandated as the only option.i have a dnr in case I wind up in this situation.
 
So when a person tells you that they don't want a machine to keep them alive, even though the machine can. Do we have the right to refuse to pull the plug like some families do ?
 
So when a person tells you that they don't want a machine to keep them alive, even though the machine can. Do we have the right to refuse to pull the plug like some families do ?
you would have that stated in what is called a medical power of attorney. I think I put don't place on machine. but do we have the right to ask another ? please murder me?
 
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