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My Right To Die

Just a servant said:
Mike, what you posted about your son is very encouraging. Share that as often as you can.
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Thank you. My whole point was that God does not love me, my son, anymore than those reading here and those in the World. God is so merciful and good that folks come to late to tell me that He does not want all us to be healed and be happy. Jesus came to give us back the life the thief stole and give it abundantly back.

Tribulations? Well, Here is the thing, for the Words sake, the enemy will come to take it from us through physical circumstance. That is fine, God is on our side no matter how much pressure the enemy brings.

The rest of the World endures things without God, without hope. I would rather Preach Jesus in Iran out in the streets under the will of God than to not have God and walk into a peaceful "LOOKING" Library here in the United States. The Library is a dangerous place without God.

Willie T said:
There is probably no other denomination in the USA that believes in direct and active healing more than the Vineyard. We operate in that mode all the time, and see it happening everywhere... for saved, and unsaved, alike.

That's why it never ceases to amaze me to see the huge number of people who resist healing (or just relegate it to "praying that they be healed") I'm so serious about this. it seems people will actually FIGHT to get to remain sick, and/or just go ahead and die when it may often be totally unnecessary.

However, I DO agree that Lewis has the right to end his own life if he chooses to. :wave
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No question about God's will to Heal, it was the will of the Master and He has not changed one bit. Religion robs people of what God has for them, and destroys their faith.

The Lord has used me in Healing, and Faith Life Church with Brother Keith Moore (Studied under Kenneth Hagin 20 years) We get Testimonies all the time. Last Night I got to see Brother Copeland Sitting with us and Patty Dunnick (Rehema South Pacific) So Being brought up under such powerfully anointed men and God sending me to a place where I get to actually just be around them is a blessing.

True, Our church is more teaching and not like some others, but there is no question about God's will concerning Healing.

My question is......... Does a child of God have a right to take their own life? We are bought and paid for with a price.

And if Not...........

Then Did not Jesus die for the whole world paying a price for everyone? Or those that just receive?

Of course I am against killing yourself, not because of some made up sin, but because I am very against anything that is not faith and anything that hangs on to despair. Those are of the devil, and hating the devil, I want nothing to do with his things.
 
Kathi said:
What about Ecclesiastes 3:2?
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(Heb 9:27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If Jesus does not come within the next 100 years we all are appointed a time to die. Wait, it does not say that anywhere in scriptures. It says that we are all appointed to die once, not that we all have an appointed time to die.

Our bodies are not immortal, and we all have a time to die. Nothing in there about God making some time to die, or God having our death date set to leave earth. We have to add that in and we don't add to scripture but compare.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
(Pro 3:1-2)

What happens if we forget what God said, we still get length of days?

A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
(Pro 18:20-21)

What happens if we keep saying we will die early, be dead at 40, do we not eat the fruit of what we been saying? (Mark 11:23)

What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
(Psa 34:12-13)


There is the tongue again, what happens if we don't keep our tongue from evil? We still get the many good days and life?

Paul Speaking here:
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
(Php 1:23-24)

For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
(2Ti 4:6-7)

Who had to be ready?

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
(Psa 91:14-16)

What happens if someone does not love the Lord, they still get the Long life deal?

Who determines how long we hang around on Earth?


Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.
 
Brother Mike said:
(Heb 9:27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If Jesus does not come within the next 100 years we all are appointed a time to die. Wait, it does not say that anywhere in scriptures. It says that we are all appointed to die once, not that we all have an appointed time to die.

Our bodies are not immortal, and we all have a time to die. Nothing in there about God making some time to die, or God having our death date set to leave earth. We have to add that in and we don't add to scripture but compare.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
(Pro 3:1-2)

What happens if we forget what God said, we still get length of days?

A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
(Pro 18:20-21)

What happens if we keep saying we will die early, be dead at 40, do we not eat the fruit of what we been saying? (Mark 11:23)

What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
(Psa 34:12-13)


There is the tongue again, what happens if we don't keep our tongue from evil? We still get the many good days and life?

Paul Speaking here:
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
(Php 1:23-24)

For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
(2Ti 4:6-7)

Who had to be ready?

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
(Psa 91:14-16)

What happens if someone does not love the Lord, they still get the Long life deal?

Who determines how long we hang around on Earth?



Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.
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Of course a person who commits suicide is taking that timing in his own hands.
 
so why then do we try to save an 8 year old? she is a person. the problem i have is that well $$$$$$$$$ will determine by the insurance companies whom is worth life or not.
Gary said:
I believe people have the right to end their own life should they choose to do so. Especially if death is imminent.
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Just a servant said:
One thing to add. Assisted suicide is murder unless the person who wants to die is unable to take their own life. If someone gets their arms and legs blown off by an IED, has back pain, TBI, and wants to die - their request should be honored. It is a disgrace if it is not. We should demand compassion and not sacrifice.

If someone wants to die and is able to take their own life, they should never be assisted. Unfortunately, suicide by cop is always an option for people like that which leaves the cop in a terrible situation.

Welcome to Satan's world. Satan is rightfully called the god of this world. Our God is not of this world.
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no that would be murder under the ucmj. how would you stop his heart? by shooting him? death by hanging? choking? chemical as in execution which would be painful. people do survive that sometimes and suffer and or suffer and die in pain slowly.
 
jasonc said:
so why then do we try to save an 8 year old? she is a person. the problem i have is that well $$$$$$$$$ will determine by the insurance companies whom is worth life or not.
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We take our children to the doctor or hospital when you are very sick.The medical profession does their best to save that child's life but that does not always happen.That is one of the things we give to God because His understanding is way beyond our own.
 
Kathi said:
We take our children to the doctor or hospital when you are very sick.The medical profession does their best to save that child's life but that does not always happen.That is one of the things we give to God because His understanding is way beyond our own.
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i know that. im saying that its CHEAPER TO MURDER a chronic ill person, ie if by gene testing have the pre disposition for cancers that have no cure or are costly et all then the insurance could mark me as one who doesn't get treatment.
 
Holland has killed 12 year olds for simple chronic but manageable illness.what of mental anguish? do you think that some will end it over that? honeslty most soldiers kill themselves over.... drum roll...

break up with a gf/bf.
food for thought.
 
jasonc said:
no that would be murder under the ucmj. how would you stop his heart? by shooting him? death by hanging? choking? chemical as in execution which would be painful. people do survive that sometimes and suffer and or suffer and die in pain slowly.
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The UCMJ is a terrible thing. From OSUT onward, people are given the distinct understanding that the UCMJ is only there as a way to ALWAYS have something on them and was never intended to be followed. I doubt there has been a single service member, EVER, who did not violate the UCMJ constantly.

WELL over 90% of the people who join the military commit a felony that is punishable by up to 7 years just by lying on the paperwork. No one is ever prosecuted unless there is a completely separate reason to use it against them. It is understood that this is what you are SUPPOSED to do. Yes it is wrong, but it is what it is. That is the reality of the situation.

I will not give advice on how to handle a situation like that.
 
I think jasonc is right...whether its private insurance or nationalized health care, there's going to be pressure to put "drains on the system" out "of their misery." The way things are going...it wouldn't surprise me if poor people, prisoners, mental patients, immigrants, etc. end up receiving "assisted death" en masse.
 
jasonc said:
Holland has killed 12 year olds for simple chronic but manageable illness.what of mental anguish? do you think that some will end it over that? honeslty most soldiers kill themselves over.... drum roll...

break up with a gf/bf.
food for thought.
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The breakup is often what breaks them because they are already at their limit and lost their significant other. It is not what causes the suicide. Everything ELSE is what causes it, and their main source of emotional support is removed.

Over 20 today. You are making light of 20 today.
 
Just a servant said:
The UCMJ is a terrible thing. From OSUT onward, people are given the distinct understanding that the UCMJ is only there as a way to ALWAYS have something on them and was never intended to be followed. I doubt there has been a single service member, EVER, who did not violate the UCMJ constantly.

WELL over 90% of the people who join the military commit a felony that is punishable by up to 7 years just by lying on the paperwork. No one is ever prosecuted unless there is a completely separate reason to use it against them. It is understood that this is what you are SUPPOSED to do. Yes it is wrong, but it is what it is. That is the reality of the situation.

I will not give advice on how to handle a situation like that.
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well, obvious it wouldn't death by consent since a tbi is also called a concussion.

show me that 90% lie on that contract? i have been in over 23 years. do people lie, but they do check you out. i know as they have contacted friends and family. i have been told the fbi investigated me as my parents were called and interviewed.
 
Just a servant said:
The UCMJ is a terrible thing. From OSUT onward, people are given the distinct understanding that the UCMJ is only there as a way to ALWAYS have something on them and was never intended to be followed. I doubt there has been a single service member, EVER, who did not violate the UCMJ constantly.

WELL over 90% of the people who join the military commit a felony that is punishable by up to 7 years just by lying on the paperwork. No one is ever prosecuted unless there is a completely separate reason to use it against them. It is understood that this is what you are SUPPOSED to do. Yes it is wrong, but it is what it is. That is the reality of the situation.

I will not give advice on how to handle a situation like that.
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oh wait you are the Christian anarchist that doesn't believe in laws. so why have laws or even the law from god when Christians daily sin?
 
jasonc said:
i know that. im saying that its CHEAPER TO MURDER a chronic ill person, ie if by gene testing have the pre disposition for cancers that have no cure or are costly et all then the insurance could mark me as one who doesn't get treatment.
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Hitler said the same thing.
 
Just a servant said:
The breakup is often what breaks them because they are already at their limit and lost their significant other. It is not what causes the suicide. Everything ELSE is what causes it, and their main source of emotional support is removed.

Over 20 today. You are making light of 20 today.
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dude. i am one who ponder that stuff. i have had that struggle. careful there . i have had ptsd. that wasn't said in light. that one could simply say i want to die and legally what is defined is stressful or too much as in depression since that is enough in Holland. kids and men have been put to death as they wanted for depression.
 
jasonc said:
dude. i am one who ponder that stuff. i have had that struggle. careful there . i have had ptsd. that wasn't said in light. that one could simply say i want to die and legally what is defined is stressful or too much as in depression since that is enough in Holland. kids and men have been put to death as they wanted for depression.
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and i had my first love leave me. i wasn't at my limit when i ponder suicide. sorry. not all suicides in the army or outside are from or by those that ever served in war.
 
jasonc said:
dude. i am one who ponder that stuff. i have had that struggle. careful there . i have had ptsd. that wasn't said in light. that one could simply say i want to die and legally what is defined is stressful or too much as in depression since that is enough in Holland. kids and men have been put to death as they wanted for depression.
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The pressure from the chain of command, often exerted by threat of UCMJ action that is only even an option because every person in the military could be subject to UCMJ action, combined with the pressure of many MOS's, combined with sleep deprivation and lack of food

Should be pondered

"YOUR. ENLISTMENT. STOPS." and "NEW. OPPORTUNITIES." Do you know what I am talking about? You sure are acting like you don't. If you have been in for 23 years you should be well aware of what the UCMJ is.
 
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