My sister, the beauty queen

[Classik]

So your sister is a contender on her journey to the beauty contest thing! From a Christian point of view what would be your reaction towards her her passion? We know all the activities that take place during the demonstrations and displays!

So, should a Christian try this; or, would you as a Christian cheer her up and thank God for her win, if she ever wins; and would you also partake of whatever fortune she makes? Would you encourage her to quit or forge ahead?

 

[Mike S]

If the sister is Christian, I'd talk to her about using her gifts for the glory of God, and to let God guide her. Whatever gifts and talents God has given us can be used to glorify him.

The great Olympic runner Eric Liddell thought this about his God-given talents and how they fit into his life as a Christian:
“We are all missionaries. Wherever we go we either bring people nearer to Christ or we repel them from Christ.”

Wherever we are, whatever we do, and whatever our talents, we are always living in the presence of God. Our every action should be to glorify God, not to glorify ourselves.

 

[reba]

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

[tim-from-pa]

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Paul was quoting what the Corinthians said there that they used to justify their (bad) behavior and answering them.

 

[tim-from-pa]

So your sister is a contender on her journey to the beauty contest thing! From a Christian point of view what would be your reaction towards her her passion? We know all the activities that take place during the demonstrations and displays!

So, should a Christian try this; or, would you as a Christian cheer her up and thank God for her win, if she ever wins; and would you also partake of whatever fortune she makes? Would you encourage her to quit or forge ahead?

This is a vain, worldly thing. If one's sister wanted it that badly, she's on her own. I sorta agree with the old libbers on this about exploiting women's bodies, in which the bible teaches beauty is a fleeing thing. I'm not saying to desert her, but that is something er, sort of like the holidays coming up that is really worldly.

I think in the bible there were examples of godly women who stood out, such as Esther. They were beautiful in all respects. And although she went through what a modern day beauty queens would do for the make-up and so forth, you have to look at the context as to why. Just because she went through that beautifying does not mean the same as supporting a beauty pageant, any more than Daniel eating just vegetables made him a vegetarian. He was not. Context, but people read into the bible what they want sometimes. Look at the motivations and the purposes of both the world and God in that framework.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I'd say encourage her. She's your family, and although the contest is build around vanities it isn't a sin or a harmful thing on it's own. Unfortunately in today's world I don't know many (if any) woman who isn't concerned about her appearance, and holds that concern to her self confidence or against her self respect. So with that in mind being an encourager for her regardless where she ends up in the contest would probabley be good for her sense of well being.

I say this with the attitude that family is important, and family support (unless the person is doing something wrong) is also important. I also say this because when we stand against something that a family member does and enjoys, that really has the potential to hurt the relationship. Make sure that when you stand against something it's worth standing against.

 

[WIP]

Our pastor's daughter ended up competing in the Miss Minnesota pageant and came close to winning. She used it as an opportunity to witness with a microphone in her hands.

 

[Obadiah]

Admittedly I don't know the details of what is involved behind the scenes of beauty pageants. I have heard a few stories, but I understand how easily it is for these stories to be either based on nothing but lies, or to be so highly exaggerated they become nothing but lies themselves. I don't know how much of this applies to beauty pageants, but I do know that everything in this world has it's drawbacks and since we all live in this world and not in heaven yet, we have to learn to deal with those drawbacks.

Personally I would thank God to have a sister with this ability if it makes her happy. If she is a Christian I would do all I could to encourage her to understand and stick to her Christian ideals as she works to be the best beauty pageant contestant and winner that she can be. If she is NOT a Christian, well, then, there are far more important things for me to worry about than whether or not she competes in beauty pageants. So I would still encourage her in this if this is what she likes, is good at, and makes her happy, while all the while taking advantage of any opportunity in any part of her life to be an effective witness of Jesus to her.

 

[Classik]

Something is really getting me confused here. Two of us here are of the opinion to render full support provided it is something my sister enjoys doing, whether the contest thing or any other stuff. So I can support her in whatever she embarks upon - provided she lies it? thbtaylor or whatever should see this thread

 

[Classik]

Pizzaguy help!

 

[Obadiah]

Something is really getting me confused here. Two of us here are of the opinion to render full support provided it is something my sister enjoys doing, whether the contest thing or any other stuff. So I can support her in whatever she embarks upon - provided she lies it? thbtaylor or whatever should see this thread

Yeah, if you're referring to my post, I think you are confused. I'm not saying support her "whatever she embarks upon - provided she lies it" (I assume "lies" is a typo and you meant "likes" :yes) I'm only speaking specifically of the beauty pageant situation you presented in your OP. And I said what I did because I don't see it as a sinful thing for her to do in and of itself. I understand it could give her temptations to sin, but I also know we can't realistically avoid everything that gives us temptation to sin. Instead we have to learn how to deal with temptation.

Now when you apply what I said to "whatever she embarks upon", that's not the same thing. There are things she could embark upon that are clearly sinful according to scripture. (I'm talking about clear, in context scripture, not small portions of scripture taken out of context and massaged to say something they don't really say by some person or group of people looking to support their pet peeve.) If she embarks on something that is clearly sinful, of course her brother shouldn't support it.

...So I can support her in whatever she embarks upon...

In your OP I thought this was a hypothetical question or maybe a question about someone else's sister. Since you said "I", are you perhaps talking about your own sister? If so, is that her in your avatar? If it is, I'd say she deserves to win a few beauty contests! :yes

 

[WIP]

Our pastor's daughter ended up competing in the Miss Minnesota pageant and came close to winning. She used it as an opportunity to witness with a microphone in her hands.

She later went on to serve as CEO of the Hospitality Center for the Chinese in the Twin Cities; a Christian-based company that helps incoming Chinese to adapt to life in Minnesota. She has shared stories of conversion to Christianity. She recently left that position but I don't recall what she is doing now.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I'm sorry for the confusion I played apart in this, Classik. But I do think unless there is a sin your confronting your sister about, being a critic of her over any of her choices will add confusion to her, and possibly be a wedge between you two.

There are many things people look at with disgust because of their views of them. A person can love and support football because it teaches teamwork, creates friendships, builds an outlook to help a person stay in shape and be healthy, as well as the aspect that it's fun or an entertaining thing to do. Any of those reasons could help a person shape their view of sports on in a positive light. However, there is also the stereotype of a dumb jock, and there are definite risks to injury in that sport. If a person holds either a negitive stereotype, or an active concern to despise something they might see it in a negitive light no matter what.

This is true for any activity, interest, or hobby, that there will be those who will critize it, and those who love it. If you want to have a filter though, my opinion is to look at what the harms are, or what sins are there. If there isn't anything that is a sin, then it's my opinion that we should be supportive of the activities and lives of our loved one. Let our critisms be there when it really counts, so they aren't lost because of critizing when it didn't matter as much.

It's your sister, and you know the sitution better with what's going into it. If you can talk to one of your parents. They are just as close to the sitution to see the details that everyone here online can't, and they can give advise on whether it's ok to support her, or it's ok to not support her. Or if it's not ok for one of those.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Let me make it easy, Classik, despite the rest. Would you like old men weirdos oggling over your sister? Now if she voluntarily joined that, then that's in effect aiding those dirty old men and condoning it? I can't understand how anyone can promote that, even if "it can be used to witness for Christ" No, that's a form of prostituting oneself. As little as I usually agree with them, this time I'm on the libber's side. I don't know about you, but I have more respect for women than that. And if I find my flesh nature ever oggling, I know I have to repent. A girl's "oggler" is saved for only one guy, and that's her husband. The rest out there are expressing lust.

 

[Obadiah]

Let me make it easy, Classik, despite the rest. Would you like old men weirdos oggling over your sister? Now if she voluntarily joined that, then that's in effect aiding those dirty old men and condoning it? I can't understand how anyone can promote that, even if "it can be used to witness for Christ" No, that's a form of prostituting oneself. As little as I usually agree with them, this time I'm on the libber's side. I don't know about you, but I have more respect for women than that. And if I find my flesh nature ever oggling, I know I have to repent. A girl's "oggler" is saved for only one guy, and that's her husband. The rest out there are expressing lust.

What you are saying is true. This WILL happen. But the truth is if she is capable of winning beauty contests these same old men weirdos are going to be oggling her even if she just works as a secretary in an office or a waitress in a restaurant. The problem here is with the weirdos, not with the girl.

And no, in no way is this a form of prostitution, not by any definition of this specific legal term in any civilized society.

 

[tim-from-pa]

What you are saying is true. This WILL happen. But the truth is if she is capable of winning beauty contests these same old men weirdos are going to be oggling her even if she just works as a secretary in an office or a waitress in a restaurant. The problem here is with the weirdos, not with the girl.

And no, in no way is this a form of prostitution, not by any definition of this specific legal term in any civilized society.

If she joins a beauty pageant, she's effectively endorsing oggling -- that's the point of the shows. The other situations she is not, at least if she dresses appropriately. Appropriately = dressing that covers most of the body (arms and lower legs exposed and face open is OK, especially in the summer) and no form-fitting clothes that effectively makes one into a clothed silhouette. Both 19th century and today's clothes can fit that criteria. If she is pretty enough to win a pageant, but only exposes her face, then it might direct the weirdos to looking at other parts besides under her neck. But if she dresses that way, I doubt if ogglers would notice a pretty face anyway. They are just big, walking glands ready to mate. She won't be noticed by such low-lives if she dressed right. Trust me on that.

 

[Obadiah]

...Appropriately = dressing that covers most of the body (arms and lower legs exposed and face open is OK, especially in the summer) and no form-fitting clothes that effectively makes one into a clothed silhouette....

Sorry to say, but that's simply your taste and opinion, not a scriptural command for all other people.

...If she is pretty enough to win a pageant, but only exposes her face, then it might direct the weirdos to looking at other parts besides under her neck...

Yet this is proven wrong by the fact that the highest incidence of rape occurs in parts of the world where women's dress is strictly regulated by law to cover all of their bodies. In parts of the world that have no such restrictions and, in fact, outright public nudity is common, these areas have the lowest incidence of rape. So the idea that attractive women who don't chose to dress in burka like clothing cause men to lust and sin is actually false. We've had this discussion before on these boards, and the responsibility is on the sinner, not on the one who is sinned against.

 

[reba]

Guess swimming at the beach is off limits?

 

[Mike S]

Guess swimming at the beach is off limits?

Well, sometimes its a little different. My wife and I visited the southern coast of France a few years ago, and the poor girls on the beach there could only afford half a bikini.

 

[reba]

Hello, everyone, this is your action news reporter with all the news
That is news across the nation, on the scene at the supermarket. There
Seems to have been some disturbance here. Pardon me, sir, did you see
What happened?

Yeah, I did. I's standin' overe there by the tomaters, and here he
Come, running through the pole beans, through the fruits and vegetables
Nekkid as a jay bird. And I hollered over t' Ethel, I said, "Don't
Look, Ethel!" But it's too late, she'd already been incensed

Here he comes, boogity boogity
There he goes, boogity boogity
And he ain't wearin' no clothes

Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
boogity boogity
Fastest thing on two feet
boogity boogity
He's just as proud as he can be
Of his anatomy
He goin' give us a peek

Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
boogity boogity
He likes to show off his physique
boogity boogity
If there's an audience to be found
He'll be streakin' around
Invitin' public critique

This is your action news reporter once again, and we're here at the gas
Station. Pardon me, sir, did you see what happened?

Yeah, I did. I's just in here gettin my car checked, he just appeared
Out of the traffic. Come streakin' around the grease rack there, didn't
Have nothin' on but a smile. I looked in there, and Ethel was gettin'
Her a cold drink. I hollered, "Don't look, Ethel!" But it was too
Late. She'd already been mooned. Flashed her right there in front of
The shock absorbers

Here he comes, boogity boogity
There he goes, boogity boogity
And he ain't wearin' no clothes

He ain't crude, look at



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