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My sister, the beauty queen

Guess swimming at the beach is off limits?
For a time I attended a fundamental Baptist church where according to the pastor, yes indeed, it is off limits. Legalism at it's highest and worst! In fact, this pastor was so adamant about it that one day he was telling me of his route from home to church that avoided the "nudist beach". I was shocked. We lived in a beach community, but I'd never heard of any nudist beach in the area! Turns out what he considers nudity is anything less than long pants with shoes and a long sleeved shirt on a man, or a floor length dress on a woman. (No pants for women, by the way.) The shortest and most sensible route to his work took him by the beach where people commonly wore things like cut off blue jeans and short sleeved T-shirts. It wasn't even very common to see a woman in a two piece bikini. Normal attire was shorts and t-shirts. But the route he had to take to avoid driving by the beach was almost 3 times as long as had he just driven directly. This kind of attitude is simply immature at best. It is not the fault of the people with the lack of clothes, it is the fault of the person who looks at them with sinful intentions.

Now before anyone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about and if I were in that situation I would see it differently (which I have been told before), I'm going to share something that I probably shouldn't. I speak from experience. I AM in that situation on a daily basis. Being careful to try not to violate any privacy laws here, I will share that I work with a disabled person in a Christian company that cares for her. This person, despite her disability, is a rather cute woman in her early 30's. (Well within "girlfriend age" for me.) Here's the thing... Every morning it's part of my job to give her a bath. Yes, she is naked and the laws require I protect her privacy, so it's always just me alone with her in a closed and locked bathroom when this is done. I wash her entire body, including private areas. She can't do any of this on her own because part of her disability is that she doesn't have the muscle co-ordination to do it. Under the law, no hidden surveillance of any kind is permitted, and she is non verbal and can not do sign language. So I have no fear of getting caught if I were to act on some carnal desire with her. And no, I do not take advantage of her nor loose any control over myself due to her lack of dress or the potential intimacy of what I am doing. This is not because she is repulsive, by any means nor is it because I have such a "professional" attitude. It is because I take responsibility before God for my own actions and thoughts, and I have determined to not use her as an object of sin. And she has not been the only one. As a police officer I had many calls to strip clubs and such, where the women not only didn't put on their clothes just because we were there, but actually went out of their way to seduce us when we had to go in. Yet I still controlled myself in the same way. This is MY action and MY decision, and I do not need the influence of a burka-like covering on any woman to babysit me. If a male can not see a clothed woman in a beauty pageant without loosing control of himself, this is on him before God, NOT on the woman participating in the contest, and he needs to pray to God asking for strength to avoid his sin rather than placing the blame on the innocent woman.
 
Hello, everyone, this is your action news reporter with all the news
That is news across the nation, on the scene at the supermarket. There
Seems to have been some disturbance here. Pardon me, sir, did you see
What happened?

Yeah, I did. I's standin' overe there by the tomaters, and here he
Come, running through the pole beans, through the fruits and vegetables
Nekkid as a jay bird. And I hollered over t' Ethel, I said, "Don't
Look, Ethel!" But it's too late, she'd already been incensed

Here he comes, boogity boogity
There he goes, boogity boogity
And he ain't wearin' no clothes

Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
boogity boogity
Fastest thing on two feet
boogity boogity
He's just as proud as he can be
Of his anatomy
He goin' give us a peek

Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
boogity boogity
He likes to show off his physique
boogity boogity
If there's an audience to be found
He'll be streakin' around
Invitin' public critique

This is your action news reporter once again, and we're here at the gas
Station. Pardon me, sir, did you see what happened?

Yeah, I did. I's just in here gettin my car checked, he just appeared
Out of the traffic. Come streakin' around the grease rack there, didn't
Have nothin' on but a smile. I looked in there, and Ethel was gettin'
Her a cold drink. I hollered, "Don't look, Ethel!" But it was too
Late. She'd already been mooned. Flashed her right there in front of
The shock absorbers

Here he comes, boogity boogity
There he goes, boogity boogity
And he ain't wearin' no clothes

He ain't crude, look at



Read more: Ray Stevens - The Streak Lyrics | MetroLyrics
LOL! I remember when that song first came out in the height of the streaking era. Hilarious!

In fact, I'll add a little bit of inside information. That song was one that helped influence my childhood friend, Weird Al Yankovic to appreciate and write comedy songs!
 
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Brother Albright would not lets his daughters ware bathing suits.. ... Wet T shirt was ok?
 
:rolleyes If she joins a beauty pageant, she's effectively endorsing oggling -- that's the point of the shows. The other situations she is not, at least if she dresses appropriately. Appropriately = dressing that covers most of the body (arms and lower legs exposed and face open is OK, especially in the summer) and no form-fitting clothes that effectively makes one into a clothed silhouette. Both 19th century and today's clothes can fit that criteria. If she is pretty enough to win a pageant, but only exposes her face, then it might direct the weirdos to looking at other parts besides under her neck. But if she dresses that way, I doubt if ogglers would notice a pretty face anyway. They are just big, walking glands ready to mate. She won't be noticed by such low-lives if she dressed right. Trust me on that.
My friend posted a link on Facebook, them in bikinis. I know what reba is capable of, So I cant post here. Wont tempt her. :chin
 
Sorry to say, but that's simply your taste and opinion, not a scriptural command for all other people.
Yet this is proven wrong by the fact that the highest incidence of rape occurs in parts of the world where women's dress is strictly regulated by law to cover all of their bodies. In parts of the world that have no such restrictions and, in fact, outright public nudity is common, these areas have the lowest incidence of rape. So the idea that attractive women who don't chose to dress in burka like clothing cause men to lust and sin is actually false. We've had this discussion before on these boards, and the responsibility is on the sinner, not on the one who is sinned against.
burka? ya looking for their trouble. :D
 
So your sister is a contender on her journey to the beauty contest thing! From a Christian point of view what would be your reaction towards her her passion? We know all the activities that take place during the demonstrations and displays!

So, should a Christian try this; or, would you as a Christian cheer her up and thank God for her win, if she ever wins; and would you also partake of whatever fortune she makes? Would you encourage her to quit or forge ahead?
A Christian wearing a bathing suit in public?
 
A Christian wearing a bathing suit in public?
And as some kind of witness for Christ? That's the part that's particularly bothersome.

I knew a woman who said her good looks help others to feel good about themselves when she gives them attention and is nice and friendly and helpful toward them, and so it was a kind of service to God she was offering.
 
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Can I be honest with you folks? I wished as soon as Classik put it up that he would change his avatar (it's the trophy wife of a soccer star). We are by nature drawn to the attractive, as if attractive people, because they are attractive, are good people. Good people, that if we can be noticed and acknowledged by them, somehow validate us as being good too (they noticed me, I must be worth something too).

It's the misguided way of how man measures the worth of people and things, and therefore, loves them. The Christian woman who thinks she is doing God a service by coming down to the lowly masses to be loved and adored and coveted by them and make them feel good for having some kind of contact with them is not from God. It's from the carnal thinking of man. It's from the misguided and corrupt desires of the flesh.
 
Can I be honest with you folks? I wished as soon as Classik put it up that he would change his avatar (it's the trophy wife of a soccer star). We are by nature drawn to the attractive, as if attractive people, because they are attractive, are good people. Good people, that if we can be noticed and acknowledged by them, somehow validate us as being good too (they noticed me, I must be worth something too).

It's the misguided way of how man measures the worth of people and things, and therefore, loves them. The Christian woman who thinks she is doing God a service by coming down to the lowly masses to be loved and adored and coveted by them and make them feel good for having some kind of contact with them is not from God. It's from the carnal thinking of man. It's from the misguided and corrupt desires of the flesh.
Get ready to dance the gauntlet
 
Some women are just pretty. They could wear a gunny sack as a dress and be pretty.
For others it takes work....and a lot of it to be eye catching.

But none of a person's appearance has a thing to do with what kind of person they are. They once held a beauty contest in Israel for king David. The prize was that they got to sleep with King David and become his bride.
David refused to sleep with her or marry her. His son tried to marry her as part of a coup to take over as king instead of Solomon.
So basically she won but lost all at the same time.

Enticing a man to have interest in you because of your wit, wisdom, grace, and loving kindness is a far cry from enticing a man to have interest in you for having the ability to show most of your skin and other attributes.
So when a woman works hard to show off her physical attributes go ahead and look at her and walk on....that's the best she has to offer a man. It's very doubtful she has anything else of quality about her.

A wife with virtues is worth more than rubies, gold, emeralds or diamonds.
 
So when a woman works hard to show off her physical attributes go ahead and look at her and walk on....that's the best she has to offer a man. It's very doubtful she has anything else of quality about her.
You win the wisdom award for the day.

A wife with virtues is worth more than rubies, gold, emeralds or diamonds.
And by God's grace the godly man knows it!
 
If only women knew that to get a good man* and have him melt in your hands, this is how you do it:

3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear." (1 Peter 3:3-6 NIV)

(*Made good by the grace of God, not by his own doing.)
 
Some women are just pretty. They could wear a gunny sack as a dress and be pretty.
For others it takes work....and a lot of it to be eye catching.

But none of a person's appearance has a thing to do with what kind of person they are. They once held a beauty contest in Israel for king David. The prize was that they got to sleep with King David and become his bride.
David refused to sleep with her or marry her. His son tried to marry her as part of a coup to take over as king instead of Solomon.
So basically she won but lost all at the same time.

Enticing a man to have interest in you because of your wit, wisdom, grace, and loving kindness is a far cry from enticing a man to have interest in you for having the ability to show most of your skin and other attributes.
So when a woman works hard to show off her physical attributes go ahead and look at her and walk on....that's the best she has to offer a man. It's very doubtful she has anything else of quality about her.

A wife with virtues is worth more than rubies, gold, emeralds or diamonds.
Seat of wisdom, the last two paragraphs
 
Some women are just pretty. They could wear a gunny sack as a dress and be pretty.
For others it takes work....and a lot of it to be eye catching.

But none of a person's appearance has a thing to do with what kind of person they are. They once held a beauty contest in Israel for king David. The prize was that they got to sleep with King David and become his bride.
David refused to sleep with her or marry her. His son tried to marry her as part of a coup to take over as king instead of Solomon.
So basically she won but lost all at the same time.

Enticing a man to have interest in you because of your wit, wisdom, grace, and loving kindness is a far cry from enticing a man to have interest in you for having the ability to show most of your skin and other attributes.
So when a woman works hard to show off her physical attributes go ahead and look at her and walk on....that's the best she has to offer a man. It's very doubtful she has anything else of quality about her.

A wife with virtues is worth more than rubies, gold, emeralds or diamonds.
you are a genius!!!
 
I live on the beach, plenty of teens saved and lost sunbathe.if I look in list it's my problem.I don't have to go to the beach.I'm my route pic threads unless I'm neat a beach for work and we have a few on the grid,I don't post nor take photos unless it has been with famiiy.
 
Pizzaguy help!
Not sure I can. I see these events as nothing much more than eye-candy-on-display.

And I remember being about 20 or 25 and thinking that I would enjoy being "old" as I thought that lust and hormones would not be an issue - but I'm 55 and it's actually worse for me now.

Now, the thing is, something that "Granny" said on the Beverly Hillbillies is really very true, she was counseling Ellie May on how to attract men - and told the younger woman that "men need mystery, you can't expose too much". And she is right - many times, women scantily dressed don't draw my eye as much as some girl/woman in jeans and a t-shirt. Given that, is the bathing suit walk really an issue? I know that I don't watch such events, mostly cause I see them as "pop culture nonsense". But let some woman walk by me in a restaurant, fully dressed, and my eye may follow her!

No, I do'nt think I can add to this discussion at all...
 
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