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[_ Old Earth _] National Embarassment? For Whom?

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From the Berean Call

From the Answers in Genesis website:

A "national embarrassment"

by Ken Ham and Dr. Jonathan Sarfati , AiG, excerpts
February 12, 2005

In one of several recent salvos lobbed by the secular media at AiG­USA and its future Creation Museum, a commentary on the online news service of USA Today (an American national newspaper) declared last week (February 4) that the museum near Cincinnati, Ohio, USA is a "national embarrassment."

Here is Kantor's alarmist scaremongering in his own words:

If we still had an Aristotelian view of the world -- four elements: air,
earth, fire, water -- we¹d never accept chemistry. Without chemistry,
materials science disappears, and with it an untold number of better cars,
safer packaging, more-fuel-efficient airplanes and who knows what else.

If we didn¹t accept quantum mechanics, we never would have realized how electron orbits worked, or how those electrons give off photons as they 'drop' from one energy level to another. So we wouldn't have lasers. No lasers, no CDs. No DVDs. No laser surgery. No fiber optics. Thomas Edison couldn¹t have made a light bulb without understanding oxidation.

It's a shame that Kantor couldn¹t mention the incredible MRI technology,
since that was pioneered by the creationist Dr. Raymond Damadian.

It was actually the creationist Robert Boyle who fathered modern chemistry and demolished the Aristotelian four-elements theory. He also funded lectures to defend Christianity and sponsored missionaries and Bible translation work.

Lasers depend on electromagnetic radiation theory, which was pioneered by creationist James Clerk Maxwell. More specifically, Einstein, who first
proposed the stimulated emission of radiation that's the basis of lasers,
frequently acknowledged his debt to Maxwell.

The creationist Wright brothers invented the airplane after studying God¹s
design of birds.

Oxidation was discovered by Antoine Lavoisier, who was beheaded under the rabidly anti-Christian French "reign of terror" on the grounds that "the
Republic has no need of scientists." This is an unambiguous example of
persecution of science by an atheistic/deistic régime.

And of course, we had better scratch Newton, Pascal, Joule, Pasteur and the other creationist founders of modern science!

It is true that the Creation Museum is going to be one of those "national
embarrassments." It will be an embarrassment to the secular education system (and secular media) that have not taught students to think critically and have indoctrinated them in a false understanding of science and origins.

Kantor is a product of such a system. In fact, we fear for the future of
technology when generations with people like Kantor become the leaders in this culture. By his "reasoning," he would have suppressed Newton because he wrote more about the Bible than about science!

The Creation Museum will do what the education system should have been doing all along -- teaching people how to think, explaining science correctly and presenting the truth about who we are and how the universe came into being!

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Funny, and not surprising. Thanks for that Bibleberean :D .
 
bibleberean said:
In one of several recent salvos lobbed by the secular media at AiG­USA and its future Creation Museum, a commentary on the online news service of USA Today (an American national newspaper) declared last week (February 4) that the museum near Cincinnati, Ohio, USA is a "national embarrassment."
I agree.

Here is Kantor's alarmist scaremongering in his own words:

If we still had an Aristotelian view of the world -- four elements: air,
earth, fire, water -- we¹d never accept chemistry. Without chemistry,
materials science disappears, and with it an untold number of better cars,
safer packaging, more-fuel-efficient airplanes and who knows what else.

If we didn¹t accept quantum mechanics, we never would have realized how electron orbits worked, or how those electrons give off photons as they 'drop' from one energy level to another. So we wouldn't have lasers. No lasers, no CDs. No DVDs. No laser surgery. No fiber optics. Thomas Edison couldn¹t have made a light bulb without understanding oxidation.
This is all true.

It's a shame that Kantor couldn¹t mention the incredible MRI technology,
since that was pioneered by the creationist Dr. Raymond Damadian.
Yes, but the invention of the MRI did not intrinsically depend on believing in Creationism. The previous inventions could not possibly have been invented had the correct theories not been embraced by the scientist.

It was actually the creationist Robert Boyle who fathered modern chemistry and demolished the Aristotelian four-elements theory. He also funded lectures to defend Christianity and sponsored missionaries and Bible translation work.
It is a lie to call everyone who lived before Darwin a "creationist" just as it is a lie to call everyone who lived before quantum mechanices an "anti-quanta believer" Read the "The Christian Virtuoso" by Robert Boyle---he did not believe in a God who interfered with history and performed miracles---he believe in a God who created the universe and allowed it to unwind like clockwork, i.e. he was a deist. Had the ToE existed at the time, Boyle most likely would have accepted it, as it would fit in with his concept of a deity who set up the universe and then did not actively interfere. So, strike one for you.

Lasers depend on electromagnetic radiation theory, which was pioneered by creationist James Clerk Maxwell. More specifically, Einstein, who first
proposed the stimulated emission of radiation that's the basis of lasers,
frequently acknowledged his debt to Maxwell.
Ok, well Einstein wasn't a creationist. Maxwell was. Of course, he was alive only in the first 15 years after the ToE had been introduced, and there was much opposition from everywhere, until the theory could be properly flushed out. Regardless, since, once again, electromagnetism is a completely independent scientific field from biology, and the question of evolution/creationism, so how is his invention of E&M and his belief in creationism at all relevantly connected?

The creationist Wright brothers invented the airplane after studying God¹s
design of birds.
Once again, how does the fact that they are correct in one field of science(aerodynamics) at all indicate that they are right in a completely unrelated field (biology)?

Oxidation was discovered by Antoine Lavoisier, who was beheaded under the rabidly anti-Christian French "reign of terror" on the grounds that "the
Republic has no need of scientists." This is an unambiguous example of
persecution of science by an atheistic/deistic régime.
Once again, Lavosier lived before the ToE. And what exacly is a "atheistic/deistic regime"--the two words are opposites and can't possibly give a description of any regime that has ever existed.

And of course, we had better scratch Newton, Pascal, Joule, Pasteur and the other creationist founders of modern science!
Of, of course, your invoking the same exact fallacy. These men were all "anti-quantum theory" believers too, since quantum mechanics has not yet been invented. So, should we agree with them and reject quantum mechanics (and all of modern technology that goes with it?)

It is true that the Creation Museum is going to be one of those "national
embarrassments." It will be an embarrassment to the secular education system (and secular media) that have not taught students to think critically and have indoctrinated them in a false understanding of science and origins.
No, no scientist will ever be embarrassed by vacuous arguments that lack any substance whatsoever.

Kantor is a product of such a system. In fact, we fear for the future of
technology when generations with people like Kantor become the leaders in this culture. By his "reasoning," he would have suppressed Newton because he wrote more about the Bible than about science!
No, fortunately he wouldn't have. Newton's view of science was correct. Newton's view of non-science is irrelevant to his scientific pursuits.

The Creation Museum will do what the education system should have been doing all along -- teaching people how to think, explaining science correctly and presenting the truth about who we are and how the universe came into being!
Nope, sorry. Creationism is the complete opposite of truth. Creationist have to ignore the truth and instead make up their own facts which support their distorted reading of the Bible.


Wow, what a load of complete garbage.
Indeed. Why did you feel the need to post it?
 
Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
Funny, and not surprising. Thanks for that Bibleberean :D .

You are welcome brother... :D
 
It's a shame that Kantor couldn¹t mention the incredible MRI technology,
since that was pioneered by the creationist Dr. Raymond Damadian.
Good thing it was invented by atheist Dr Paul Lauterbur. :P
 
Oxidation was discovered by Antoine Lavoisier, who was beheaded under the rabidly anti-Christian French "reign of terror" on the grounds that "the
Republic has no need of scientists." This is an unambiguous example of
persecution of science by an atheistic/deistic régime.
It was a purely atheistic reign, deists were also persecuted. THe reason for the regime was a complete rejection of all religion by the French because of the percieved atrocities committed by the religious leaders.
 
scitso said:
Oxidation was discovered by Antoine Lavoisier, who was beheaded under the rabidly anti-Christian French "reign of terror" on the grounds that "the
Republic has no need of scientists." This is an unambiguous example of
persecution of science by an atheistic/deistic régime.
It was a purely atheistic reign, deists were also persecuted. THe reason for the regime was a complete rejection of all religion by the French because of the percieved atrocities committed by the religious leaders.
It was also a rejection of the destructive and controlling force of the Catholic church.
 
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