[__ Science __ ] Old Earth vs. Young Earth

miamited said:
Maybe, but they can be confirmed within the Scriptures. They just can't be confirmed through the scientific method.
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There is no conflict. Science and the Bible continue to confirm each other along with History. For example the science of DNA shows us that Adam and Eve were real people that lived 6,000 years ago and all the Arab and Jewish people today are descended from them. Although the Muslims claim is that they are descended from Abraham.

According to Islamic tradition, Ishmael is considered an ancestor of the Arab peoples, and his descendants played a significant role in the development of Islamic history. Muslims believe that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba in Mecca, which remains the most sacred site in Islam,
 
miamited said:
I'm sorry, but that just isn't true.
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Show me what you got. No one has ever proven this to be wrong. But they do come close. People simply do not understand the Bible as well as they think they do.

Jesus warned against following human traditions that contradict God's commandments. In Matthew 15:3, He challenged the Pharisees, saying, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?". He emphasized that religious customs should never override God’s truth.

Similarly, Colossians 2:8 cautions believers: "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.". This verse highlights the danger of being led astray by worldly teachings instead of focusing on Christ.
 
Elijah7777 said:
People simply do not understand the Bible as well as they think they do.
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Right. I'm sure that's it. If you've figured out a way to wrap the billions of years around six days, that's on you. I applaud you and know that you know that you're right. But for me, the Scriptures are clear that God created all that exists in this realm in 6 days. And then He caused to be written a reasonably fair accounting for years that we could understand just how powerful our God is. Science is not in agreement with the timeline that the Scriptures offer us. Science does not agree that the earth was formed before all of the other heavenly bodies. No! Science does not agree that within 24 hours of every plant and herb being created that the sun was then cast into the heavens to produce the food for those plants to grow. So, I'm sure you're right that science is in complete agreement that water always seeks level, but they can't explain the times that it doesn't.

But you've found an explanation that seems right to you and you should follow that until you're convinced that it isn't true.
 
miamited said:
If you've figured out a way to wrap the billions of years around six days, that's on you. I applaud you
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Not me, Einstein. Then I need someone to teach me what Einstein said about how time is relative. Genesis 1:3 God created light. But light has no time. So we can still see the Universe in the beginning of light. We can not see anything before God created light. The Bible describes the earth as formless, empty, and covered in darkness (Genesis 1:2). Without light, there would be no visibility, no distinction between night and day, and no way to perceive creation. Light behaves as both a wave and a particle.

Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity revolutionized our understanding of time. He showed that time is not absolute—it depends on the observer’s speed and gravitational environment.

The early universe travels with us and creation is only a week old at the speed of light.
 
miamited said:
Maybe, but they can be confirmed within the Scriptures. They just can't be confirmed through the scientific method.

As has been previously explained, that's not the only reason that we might not find any human remains alongside of dinosaurs. You can't present that with any evidence to prove its truth.
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I do not agree.

There are NO Scriptures that validate your opinion! NONE!

The evidence is clearly that there has never, ever been found human remains at the same level of Dinosaurs!

The reason is that they are seperated by 65 million years.
 
daddd said:
As is yours

Says you. That is false. Dinos were not created before man. In fact they possibly could have been adapted from kinds that already existed into a large form. (such as birds, reptiles etc) You don't get to make a statement that they did not coexist. I already explained that if the past was different, bones could not represent the full range of life. Period.

Unless dinos quickly evolved/adapted from other existing kinds, and it took some more than 9 centuries to do, then yes Adam and dinos were here together.

Actual time is about 4500 years ago. Your dates are bad religion and cannot be supported and are only falsely thought of as science. Really

Nonsense. It links to la la land imaginary time. It simply assigns belief based dates to existing strata.

In other words based on the belief that all creatures died and had remains that acted the same. Ho hum. No possible proof for that. It is a faith based belief that the past was the same in basic nature and that this nature is responsible for all we see!

God was right all along
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And still.....no answer to the original question!!!!

The ONLY answer given is that dino's lived with Adam and Eve and the flood killed them all.

That is NO answer at all. It is however wishful thinking and has NO Biblical support whatsoever.
 
Were the dinosaurs on the way out when mankind showed up on the timeline ? A brief overlap maybe . Things to consider . :twocents:study

www.bbc.co.uk

Did humans and dinosaurs live at the same time?

New evidence suggests human ancestors and dinosaurs may have briefly lived at the same time on Earth.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

From the link .

Have you ever dreamed of walking among the dinosaurs?

Well it looks like a very early human ancestor may have done just that.

For years scientists have debated whether placental mammals - a group of animals which includes humans, dogs and bats - existed at the same time as dinosaurs.

Now researchers at the University of Bristol and the University of Fribourg in Switzerland say they have found evidence that human ancestors did briefly live at the same time as the dinosaurs.
 
This is a good article .
apologeticspress.org

Have Dinosaur and Human Fossils Been Found Together? - Apologetics Press

Dinosaur fossils have been found on every continent on Earth; humans have inhabited, and continue to inhabit, every continent on Earth. Thus, it would seem that if dinosaurs and humans really did live as contemporaries at one time, as creationists contend, human fossils would have been found...
apologeticspress.org apologeticspress.org

From the link .
It may be that dinosaur and human fossils are never found together. But, whether they are or not, the evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs at one time in the past is undeniable to the unbiased truth seeker (see Lyons and Butt, 2008). Indeed, there is a mountain of biblical, historical, and physical evidence which indicates that dinosaurs and humans once walked this Earth at the same time.
 
Rodger said:
I do not agree.

There are NO Scriptures that validate your opinion! NONE!

The evidence is clearly that there has never, ever been found human remains at the same level of Dinosaurs!

The reason is that they are seperated by 65 million years.
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Hey Rodger

Well, I concede that you've got me there. There are no Scriptures that confirm that humans lived alongside of dinosaurs...


...unless you believe that the six days of the creation event of this realm that God has created for man to live as true. Then the dinosaurs were created on the same day as the first human. They lived and frolicked on the same planet at the same time that the first humans from Adam and Eve lived and frolicked. Then the 'fact' that you haven't ever seen the two creatures buried together in the dirt would just be a matter of some circumstance of no value. Because it wouldn't make such a claim as the two creatures not living together true, if you believe God's testimony of the matter. As I've previously written, the maintenance of dead but once living organisms to still be available to us today is a rare, rare find. How many deer carcasses did you count in your front yard today? Finding a buried human being whose remains still exist is the story of tombs and pyramids. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of deer have died and yet there's not a carcass to be found except in some rare circumstance that one might have been preserved by natural causes.

Personally, I don't find your 'proof' to be particularly convincing in proving that the two creatures never shared the earth.
 
If we had a time machine ...
mullet dino.jpg
 
Rodger said:
The evidence is clearly that there has never, ever been found human remains at the same level of Dinosaurs!
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If humans lived at the time of the dinosaurs, can you imagine how big they would be? They would be 25 feet tall. It would be no problem for them to reach the apples on the apple tree.
 
Rodger said:
And still.....no answer to the original question!!!!

The ONLY answer given is that dino's lived with Adam and Eve and the flood killed them all.
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It is also likely that if nature changed some creatures would not be suited for the new environment. Either way the timing is about right for the flood. I guess that it may have been around the KT boundary

Rodger said:
That is NO answer at all. It is however wishful thinking and has NO Biblical support whatsoever.
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There is no other explanation that does fit the bible actually. We know God created it all and all life. Anything that does not fit that does not fit the bible whatsoever. My ideas fit like a glove. Yours are opposite.
 
daddd said:
It is also likely that if nature changed some creatures would not be suited for the new environment. Either way the timing is about right for the flood. I guess that it may have been around the KT boundary


There is no other explanation that does fit the bible actually. We know God created it all and all life. Anything that does not fit that does not fit the bible whatsoever. My ideas fit like a glove. Yours are opposite.
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You may have convinced yourself but you have not answered how do Christians account for dinosaurs and the death we observe in the fossil record?

Actually, there has been no one has given an acceptable response. Some have theorized and some have challenged the faith of others. But NO ONE has answered and reconciled the question.

Obviously there seems to be something contradictory about the archeological record of dinosaur life, and the biblical record of creation which is causing everyone here to fear and come to the conclusion that those animals lived along side of Adam and Eve and were on the Ark...even though there is NO, NONE, ZERO Biblical evidence.

So then, IMHO, dinosaurs did live and roam the earth. God created them. And yes, dinosaurs and many other forms of animals and plants did live and die before Adam was ever created. This was also part of God’s good plan as he continued to prepare and shape the planet for the appearance of the crown of His creation, the human race.

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miamited said:
Hey Rodger

Well, I concede that you've got me there. There are no Scriptures that confirm that humans lived alongside of dinosaurs...


...unless you believe that the six days of the creation event of this realm that God has created for man to live as true. Then the dinosaurs were created on the same day as the first human. They lived and frolicked on the same planet at the same time that the first humans from Adam and Eve lived and frolicked. Then the 'fact' that you haven't ever seen the two creatures buried together in the dirt would just be a matter of some circumstance of no value. Because it wouldn't make such a claim as the two creatures not living together true, if you believe God's testimony of the matter. As I've previously written, the maintenance of dead but once living organisms to still be available to us today is a rare, rare find. How many deer carcasses did you count in your front yard today? Finding a buried human being whose remains still exist is the story of tombs and pyramids. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of deer have died and yet there's not a carcass to be found except in some rare circumstance that one might have been preserved by natural causes.

Personally, I don't find your 'proof' to be particularly convincing in proving that the two creatures never shared the earth.
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I never, ever said I had any proof !

You really need to get away from your deer carcass theology as it only makes sense to you.
Most people who find a dead deer bury it. but I have never known anyone who has found one.

Hear in Florida, the buzzards and critters take care of anything lieing around dead.
 
Rodger said:
You may have convinced yourself but you have not answered how do Christians account for dinosaurs and the death we observe in the fossil record?
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Their remains are in flood deposits. Some people see a connection between Noah's flood and Pangaea. They say one is a shadow and a type of the other.

Pangea was a supercontinent that existed around 250 million years ago, during the early age of dinosaurs. It played a huge role in their evolution and distribution. Since all the land was connected, dinosaurs could roam freely across vast areas without being separated by oceans. This led to similar species appearing in different regions.

As Pangea broke apart due to plate tectonics, dinosaur populations became isolated, leading to diversification—different species evolved in different continents
 
miamited said:
and you don't seem to understand why we don't find human bodies much. OK
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God is a God of miracles and He wants us to know what He has done so He preserves things for us. He gives us fossils so we can see what He has done.
 
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