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NDE's does anybody here believe them ?

Lewis

Lewis

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It has been years since I posted something about NDE's=Near Death Experiences.
I do believe in them and no matter where on earth and and could be man or woman girl or boy they all see the same thing at least 98 percent of the time. And everyone who goes through this are never the same and they never fear death at all again. And many come back on fire for the Lord. I think that it is God's way of showing that He is real. Below is a site about Christian NDE's I also think that people who say that there are not any NDE's are saying that God does not perform these type miracles or they are trying to limit God.

Christian NDE's
http://www.near-death.com/origen.html

What is a NDE ?

A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; extreme fear; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light, which some people interpret as a deity<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"></sup>
These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"></sup> Many in the scientific community regard such experiences as hallucinatory,<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"></sup><sup id="cite_ref-Britton.26Bootzin_3-0" class="reference"></sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"></sup> while paranormal specialists and some mainstream scientists claim them to be evidence of an afterlife.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"></sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"></sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"></sup>
Popular interest in near-death experiences was initially sparked by Raymond Moody's 1975 book Life After Life<sup id="cite_ref-Moody.2C_R._1975_8-0" class="reference"></sup> and the founding of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) in 1981.<sup id="cite_ref-iands.org_9-0" class="reference"></sup> According to a Gallup poll, approximately eight million Americans claim to have had a near-death experience.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"></sup> Some commentators, such as Simpson<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"></sup> claim that the number of near-death experiencers may be underestimated, mainly because some such individuals are presumably afraid or otherwise reluctant to talk about their experiences.
NDEs are among the phenomena studied in the fields of parapsychology, psychology,<sup id="cite_ref-Lange_R_2004_12-0" class="reference"></sup> psychiatry,<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"></sup> and hospital medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience
 
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You mean to tell me that nobody here on this board has heard of or believe in, or don't believe in Near Death Experiences ? As Christians believe in a miracle working God ?
 
I don't deny they exist--- the people are all reporting something, albeit subjective. The same can be said of so-called alien abductions where there's a common thread.

However, one thing to note is that none of them were fully dead because they came back. My personal belief, and I just adopted it lately because of my uneasiness with body-soul detachment, is that once a person is dead, they are dead. No consciousness or whatever. However, the bible does talk about resurrection later, and it is from this point on that a person either has eternal life, or if they were wicked, destroyed in a lake of fire in the end. Some believe that a person that never heard the gospel or who was never called may even have another chance after the resurrection. Whatever the case, I'll let that to the Lord since he does the calling anyway and it's up to Him when to save a person.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a soul (or spirit) can live immediately after death apart from the body, and Paul says that the resurrected body is a spiritual one, then what's the point of a resurrection at all? (Yes, I'm aware of the "absent from the body" verse and alone and isolated does not solidify the belief in a soul separated from the body as there are other interpretations of that verse.)
 
About 1930 my mom had to wake up Grandma to use the restroom. Grandpa figured mom had startled grandma, startled her to death. Grandma was sickly all her years almost died giving birth. She had come back to bed and then could not be woken…There was no 911 hardly any phones. Grandpa hit his knees praying for her return he could not find a heartbeat or breath on a mirror . He did not want their only child to think she had killed her mother.
A while later grandma awoke? Some time around daybreak.. And her story goes something like this… I saw Heaven! I can’t tell you the beauty of the flowers. The peace the over flowing joy. She said she touched the crystal waters. No she said she did not see Jesus … strange but for a good few years grandma was healthy no ailments.
 
Peter in Acts 9: 36-43 raised Dorcas.

Paul in Acts 20:7-12 raised the young man Eutychus.

I would take it that, these 2 individuals were dead and not clinically dead.
So I would think that the same miracle working God is doing the same today, to show His power, and that He is real.
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I believe in NDE's. I am curious about how many people on this forum have experienced one. :chin I was quite surprised at the number of people on this forum who have reported being close to death before.
 
I don't know if anybody on this board has went through a NDE, but here is some Christians wh has.
It seems like Paul was put back in his body in the Scripture below.
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2 Corinthians 12:2-5 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-29025">2</sup>I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-29026">3</sup>And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-29027">4</sup>How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-29028">5</sup>Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.


True Near Death Experiences
http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htm
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Christian near-death experiences and reincarnation
 
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Back in 1995, I was dating a nursing student who was working in a care home for the terminally ill.

She said that OFTEN, just as a person was dying (and she was present an numerous deaths) that the patient would smile and tell her, "Sharon, I see my husband, he's reaching out to me" or "Sharry, I see Jesus, he's calling me home" and then they'd collapse. This was how it often went, she told me of many an elderly person who would respond this way. Usually (always?) it was the nice patients, the friendly and usually Christian (or at least "religious") ones that would experience this.

But she said there were exceptions. Many patients just died in their sleep or gasped for breath.

Then, there were a few OTHER exceptions. One was a 45 year old man, alcoholic, irritable, taker-of-God's-name-in-vain, that kind of guy. He was nasty to most of the staff, but was somewhat kind to Sharon (she was 23, pretty and, well, a GIRL!) - as he lay dying, he really freaked her out. He cried out, "Don't let them take me, Sharry - I don't wanna go - I'm sorry...." And he was gone.

This made a tremendous impact on Sharon. She was ever-more convinced of the afterlife. She was convinced that, sometimes, we are allowed a peak past the curtain, just as the curtain was opening for us.

Who am I to argue?
 
reba said:
About 1930 my mom had to wake up Grandma to use the restroom. Grandpa figured mom had startled grandma, startled her to death. Grandma was sickly all her years almost died giving birth. She had come back to bed and then could not be woken…There was no 911 hardly any phones. Grandpa hit his knees praying for her return he could not find a heartbeat or breath on a mirror . He did not want their only child to think she had killed her mother.
A while later grandma awoke? Some time around daybreak.. And her story goes something like this… I saw Heaven! I can’t tell you the beauty of the flowers. The peace the over flowing joy. She said she touched the crystal waters. No she said she did not see Jesus … strange but for a good few years grandma was healthy no ailments.
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So do you believe her Reba ?
 
Yes i believe my grandmother! Believing my grandmother does not mean she died..Grandpa always thought she had died like i said no breath no pulse....Could it have been so faint he couldn't find it yes. Could she have been 'brought back' yup. A vision sure her reality sure. She loved the Lord.
 
NDE's are nothing except chemical imbalances that occur in the brain near death. For example, DMT is a natural, psychedelic chemical that is normally found in trace amounts in just about every living thing. Before death, your pineal gland produces it in large amounts, creating what is referred to as a "near death experience." This naturally occurring process is believed to happen to ease one into death, although we are not quite sure on that particular aspect.
 
Jakeness said:
NDE's are nothing except chemical imbalances that occur in the brain near death. For example, DMT is a natural, psychedelic chemical that is normally found in trace amounts in just about every living thing. Before death, your pineal gland produces it in large amounts, creating what is referred to as a "near death experience." This naturally occurring process is believed to happen to ease one into death, although we are not quite sure on that particular aspect.
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Yes i believe my grandmother! Believing my grandmother does not mean she died..Grandpa always thought she had died like i said no breath no pulse....Could it have been so faint he couldn't find it yes. Could she have been 'brought back' yup. A vision sure her reality sure. She loved the Lord.

Hmmm you know Reba she could have really died and God put her back. yup
 
Are you kidding me? You think that isn't a reasonable explanation? Care to explain why?
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Well you are not a person of the Bible, so how could you know about the true power of God and what He does. You see secular man always has to try to explain everything they do not know about devine intervention. The Bible says that the things that we say is foolishness to the natural, or if you will, the secular man.

Here is a true story a women on our Rahab Outreach Ministry named Karen was dead onetime from drugs she was in the morgue they had tagged her toe called the family and was putting her in the fridge when Jesus called her back, the people in the morgue went crazy, and they let her call home and then the family went crazy. Karen is with us today and she is so Holy Ghost filled and so on fire for the Lord until you notice it right away. You can't limit God because He has none.
 
Lewis W said:
Well you are not a person of the Bible, so how could you know about the true power of God and what He does. You see secular man always has to try to explain everything they do not know about devine intervention. The Bible says that the things that we say is foolishness to the natural, or if you will, the secular man.
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I just find it odd, and somewhat disturbing, that you completely deny a scientific fact without even at least saying something along the lines of "God communicates to us through those chemicals," etc.

Lewis W said:
You can't limit God because He has none.
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Here lies another problem, although this one is philosophical and not scientific. You may have heard of it before, but I am talking about the omnipotence paradox. Example:

Can God create a pane of glass that is not able to be broken? If yes, then he is limited by not being able to break the glass. If he can break the glass, then it was never unbreakable in the first place and is limited by not being able to create such an object.

EDIT: sorry for going a little off topic with the second quote there.
 
Lewis W said:
Well you are not a person of the Bible, so how could you know about the true power of God and what He does. You see secular man always has to try to explain everything they do not know about devine intervention. The Bible says that the things that we say is foolishness to the natural, or if you will, the secular man.

Here is a true story a women on our Rahab Outreach Ministry named Karen was dead onetime from drugs she was in the morgue they had tagged her toe called the family and was putting her in the fridge when Jesus called her back, the people in the morgue went crazy, and they let her call home and then the family went crazy. Karen is with us today and she is so Holy Ghost filled and so on fire for the Lord until you notice it right away. You can't limit God because He has none.
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Awesome Lewis!:yes
 
Like most things that are controversial -

I take it all with a grain of salt. The similarity of the experiences are striking. So there's a real possibility that there's a validity to the accounts. I SURELY WOULD NOT, however try to build a theology based on nothing more substantive than "stories" reported by sources committed to proving that NDEs are real. AND, of course while SOME NDEs might BE "real" - others might not be.
 
Well there is certainly no use in debating this with nonbelievers, because it is like the Bible say, what we say is foolishness unto the natural man that being you.
 
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