Need help with this scripture

[faithtransforms]

The bible clearly teaches that Jesus' kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and that He will rule and reign forever. But these verses seem to contradict that:

1 COR 15:22-28

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This seems to suggest that the Kingdom will be delivered back to the Father to rule and reign.

Help!

 

[jasoncran]

that refers to the end of the millenial reign.

 

[faithtransforms]

that refers to the end of the millenial reign.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. But I think the bible also teaches that Jesus would reign for all eternity. Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he (God) saith Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

 

[jasoncran]

that refers to the end of the millenial reign.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. But I think the bible also teaches that Jesus would reign for all eternity. Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he (God) saith Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

a shifting of roles, so to speak, jesus and the father are one. the father lets the son reign and then switches, but if you accept the trinity the son and the father and the holy spirit all co rule. so i see no contradiction.

 

[faithtransforms]

that refers to the end of the millenial reign.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. But I think the bible also teaches that Jesus would reign for all eternity. Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he (God) saith Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

a shifting of roles, so to speak, jesus and the father are one. the father lets the son reign and then switches, but if you accept the trinity the son and the father and the holy spirit all co rule. so i see no contradiction.

Yeah, that does make sense in terms of the trinity co-ruling. But I'm not sure I'm settled in my spirit yet. Something still seems a little off. I will meditate on it.

 

[glorydaz]

It will basically be the end of Christ's work...There will no longer be a need for a distinction between the kingdom of grace and the kingdom of glory. When Christ returns, the world will be judged, and His role as the Lamb will be complete.

The kingdom can't be given up till all rule and government is cast down. So while the world lasts, Jesus, as the Messiah and Mediator, must reign... and all human beings are properly his subjects, are under his government, and are accountable to him. The fact that death shall be destroyed assures that there will be a general resurrection, and it's also proof that after the resurrection there shall be no more death.

Then the Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any distinct dominion and God will be all in all.... there remaining no longer any distinction in the persons of the Trinity. Then we shall truly "see Him as He is"...the eternal God of glory.

 

[jasoncran]

how, the cessation of the son? a return to the preincarnate days.

even then the bible uses elohim, a plural, word for the Lord meaning the strong ones have sworn.

 

[glorydaz]

how, the cessation of the son? a return to the preincarnate days.

even then the bible uses elohim, a plural, word for the Lord meaning the strong ones have sworn.

As God was from the beginning, He will be for eternity.

Jesus' work as the sacrificial lamb will not longer be needed when all things are brought into subjection. There is and has always been ONE GOD. Jesus, was God come in the flesh; His role as Saviour, Mediator, and Lamb will become all in all with the Father once again.

 

[jasoncran]

hmm, you are trinitarian, correct? he we go again :crazy

 

[glorydaz]

hmm, you are trinitarian, correct? he we go again :crazy

I believe in One God...God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit....still just One God.

Man is made in the image of God. We, too, have a body, soul, and spirit. I cannot be called three people any more than God can...or should. Three in One. 1+1+1=1...not three.

 

[jasoncran]

i wanted be sure, adrain rogers taught that. when i speak of the trinity often i forget that.

i can see that.what you have said the jw aslo taught that of all things.

 

[glorydaz]

i wanted be sure, adrain rogers taught that. when i speak of the trinity often i forget that.

i can see that.what you have said the jw aslo taught that of all things.

I don't believe that is exactly what they taught...but it is what the Scripture teaches. :yes

 

[jasoncran]

i wanted be sure, adrain rogers taught that. when i speak of the trinity often i forget that.

i can see that.what you have said the jw aslo taught that of all things.

I don't believe that is exactly what they taught...but it is what the Scripture teaches. :yes

they believe that after the thousand yr reignt that jesus would cede the throne back to the father and be an archangel only again(that is where they deviate).

 

[glorydaz]

i wanted be sure, adrain rogers taught that. when i speak of the trinity often i forget that.

i can see that.what you have said the jw aslo taught that of all things.

I don't believe that is exactly what they taught...but it is what the Scripture teaches. :yes

they believe that after the thousand yr reignt that jesus would cede the throne back to the father and be an archangel only again(that is where they deviate).

They deviate from start to finish, Jason.

John 1 tells us the Word was God, that He was God come in the flesh, and He rose to the throne at His resurrection. He sits on David's Throne as King and Priest. When He comes again, He will hand the kingdom to the Father and be all in all with God once again. He was God from the beginning and will always be God. It's a question of work and title only.

And that's a far cry from what the JW's teach. They claim He was only "a god" before He came to the earth...I doubt very much they think He was God while in the flesh, and they claim he'll be an archangel after that? No similarity whatsoever.

The OP question shows a fulfillment of what was written in the Psalms.

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

 

[faithtransforms]

I think the jw's actually think Jesus was an incarnation of the archangel Michael. I think its the mormons that say he was "a god." But I could be wrong.

 

[jasoncran]

I think the jw's actually think Jesus was an incarnation of the archangel Michael. I think its the mormons that say he was "a god." But I could be wrong.

this is correct, the jw says the micheal the archangel is the messiah that comes to save men from their sins.

 

[faithtransforms]

I think the jw's actually think Jesus was an incarnation of the archangel Michael. I think its the mormons that say he was "a god." But I could be wrong.

this is correct, the jw says the micheal the archangel is the messiah that comes to save men from their sins.

Wow, that's just crazy. And its so odd too because I worked with two jw's at my last job and one of them knew the bible at least as well as I do. How on earth can they draw such conclusions, knowing the bible that well? I don't think they have an additional book like the book of mormon or anything like that. They're conjuring this stuff up from the bible and I just DO NOT get it!!!

 

[jasoncran]

I think the jw's actually think Jesus was an incarnation of the archangel Michael. I think its the mormons that say he was "a god." But I could be wrong.

this is correct, the jw says the micheal the archangel is the messiah that comes to save men from their sins.

Wow, that's just crazy. And its so odd too because I worked with two jw's at my last job and one of them knew the bible at least as well as I do. How on earth can they draw such conclusions, knowing the bible that well? I don't think they have an additional book like the book of mormon or anything like that. They're conjuring this stuff up from the bible and I just DO NOT get it!!!

because they dont read it for themselves, the read it along side the books like these

you can live forever too
jesus the greatest man that ever lived
and a host of others.

 

[faithtransforms]

because they dont read it for themselves, the read it along side the books like these

you can live forever too
jesus the greatest man that ever lived
and a host of others.

Oh ok. I didn't know about those.

 

[jasoncran]

i was a fervent jw in my youth before the age of 14.