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Need some help after a post that was made here.

Rob

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In a post about porn at the library someone posted a link to the sex offender registry which lists registered sex offenders, where they live and work, and what they were convicted of. At first I was simply appalled by how many lived so close to me and my family but when I started looking closer I became more concerned about a bigger problem. In the small county I live in alone there is 4 cases that troubled me to the point that I started researching into this problem and I was suprised about how little thought is put into this(I honestly had not thought about it until recently myself.) In Shelby County Indiana alone there is one man who was convicted of possesion of child pornography and soliciting a minor who was just released from prison in Feb of this year and he is working a Burger King. Another man has a record of convictions for 3 different counts of child molestation and has served a big part of his adult life in prison only to now be working at the County Fairgrounds (there is a job that keeps him close to children) Almost every fast food resturaunt in town had a child molestor or rapist working for them!

It seems that most companies don't bother to check the backrounds of the people they are hiring. Now this wouldn't be so bad but places that cater to and advertise toward children, such as fast food resturaunts, should be concerned about the welfare of their customers. Hiring offenders, or for that matter repeat offenders, who have proven themselves to be dangerous to our children is irresponsible.

So why do I need help? Well I'm mad that this is silent and I'm even more upset that nobody seems to care enough to try and do something. I'm attempting to change that. I want to get a list together of as many of these fast food chains and other companies that cater to children, that are irresponsible in their hiring of employess. I'm asking for people to help me with research first. If people can post these people working around children here it would help me a lot. I've already contacted local news and I've actually got enough parents in the area who are mad considering boycotting the resturants and fair until the act responsibly. I eventually would like to get nationall boycotts of these companies to force them to be responsible. I also intend on writing my representives in congress pushing for legislation that would prevent sex offenders from having jobs that put them in contact with children or places that employee a lot of people under the age of 18. There are too many jobs in factories or other places that these perverts can work and be away from my children, they don't need to be working at McDonalds or the fairgrounds.

You can check the sex offender registry here, http://www.nsopr.gov/ Please check your area and see where the sexual predators in your area are working. Write local news and get the news out. These people are dangerous and don't need to be around our children. I sincerly fell that lack of action is nothing less than allowing it to happen to the next child.
 
God bless you Rob for your love and concern for others. :angel:
 
How Do We Stay Safe In An Unsafe World?

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How Do We Stay Safe In An Unsafe World?


Not all judges but some judges around here require that a person with a repeated offense of DUI have different license plates. Our plates in Ohio are white background with blue lettering. The repeated DUI offender has to have plates that are yellow/pinkish background with red or blue lettering, I'm not sure what color it is, but that yellow/pinkish background coloring of the plate stands out like a sore thumb! And you know when you are near a convicted Drunk Driver.

When I see those plates I know to stay clear of that car. That's the only defense I have in case that person is breaking the law again by driving while intoxicated. :-?

Also, the new thing in Ohio and about 35 other states is that many of those who are convicted of repeated DUI are now required to wear this bracelet that monitors the alcohol level in their blood and then relay the information to officials. This is supposed to help keep these people sober.
see article here: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=54010&provider=top

So then, what should we do? If a repeated drunk driver lives next door to me, should I call my representative and complain that I don't want any drunks living next door to me because there are children on my street and I don't want any drunks around them because they might harm them by driving crooked on the street or back out of their driveway and hit one of them because they might be drunk and not pay any attention?

What are we to do to keep everyone safe?

If a thief gets out of jail and lives next door to me, should I call my representative and complain that I have things he might want to steal and so I don't want him living next door to me?

In our county, a sex offender is not allowed to live within 1000 feet of a school, but what about if they live next door to a person who has children? There are no limitations to that as far as I know. What am I to do if a sex offender chooses to live next door to me, should I complain that I have grandchildren and don't want him to live next door to me because my grandchildren visit me every so often?


We can't even be sure that a person who was never convicted of a sex crime is going to become a (caught) sex offender!

What are you going to do about those who already work with children but they never ever had any record of being a sex offender in the first place, but after months or years of working in the school system they all of a sudden become an offender (they are caught) ? What about those who no one ever suspects of being a sex offender, They live this secret life, and so they prey on unsuspecting people/children in 'secret' all the while molesting children? Are they allowed to work in the Burger King even though no one knows about their secret life?

What about these teachers they are catching? These people have been up to no good BEFORE they got "caught"!

This following incident is about a woman teacher/coach molesting a female student!

Akron coach who had sex with teen player avoids prison.

Eric Mansfield
Created: 6/27/2006 5:12:53 PM
Updated:6/27/2006 5:20:07 PM

AKRON -- A high school basketball coach who molested one of her own players has pleaded guilty just days before she would have stood trial.
22-year-old Quanette Vales received two years community control and forfeited her teaching license after admitting to sexual battery.

Vales had been a coach of the girls basketball team at Firestone High School and had also worked as a substitute teacher.

Investigators say the sexual relationship took place when Vales began driving the 15-year-old girl home from practice.
© 2006
source: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=53987&provider=top


And here is another incident involving a different TEACHER! He was a molester BEFORE he got caught!
http://www.wkyc.com/news/regional/akron_article.aspx?storyid=54021


It is up to us (the general public) to be aware and take our own precautions and keep close watch on our own children.
These days, you can NEVER leave your child alone anywhere, ever!


What do you do in the case of having to leave your children at school? Even the schools these days are not safe! What do you do about those teachers and school employees that don't have a record for sexual offense, but are doing so in secret, they just haven't been caught yet?


What about in the church? Pastors and priests convicted of child molestation? ! What can you do about that? They too were not considered molesters BEFORE they got caught! :-?



There is only so much we can do with people who have criminal records.
Of course we all need to be aware of who is around us. But there are those who are living secret lives of being molesters. What about them?

All we can do is make note and be aware. I see your concern about the Burger King employment factor, but what about those who are LIVING next door to you? Are they molesting in secret? We can't be guaranteed of completely eliminating the criminal from working in restaurants. What we can do is to NEVER leave our children alone!


Do you realize how many women have been sexually molested by their own family members when they were just children? And how many little boys have been victim to molestation by family members also? :o :crying: What about family members who molest their own siblings or children? What do you do about that to protect your child?
The only thing we can do is to educate and keep very close watch on our children. And you know.... Sometimes even that isn't enough! I was molested when I was 5, 8, and 11 years old. Why wasn't I protected? It's a secret I keep from the rest of my family, to this day. I don't want the hurt to spread to them! I was molested twice by neighbors, and once by a sibling. Now tell me, why wasn't I protected? Why was I so naive for 3 times in my life? I live this day with the emotional scars that haunt me, even though I have forgiven them for they didn't know what they were doing to me for the rest of my life. It took me a nearly 45 years to deal with these scars. I have to forgive sometimes on a daily basis. even still :sad All we can do is educate our children and pray that it sticks and they are not fallen victim when we least expect it. I still, to this day, have trouble clearing my mind of the thoughts of second husband messing with my daughter. She denies it but I still have trouble with those thoughts creeping in and haunting me. Too many clues were there. I am haunted for the rest of my life. The only rest I have is in Looking to God for respite from the thoughts when they attack. No one said this life would be easy and free of the devils attempts to harm us. He comes to kill steal and destroy, remember? :-? It is up to us to Keep our children educated and never leave them alone while they are at so vulnerable of an age. I was left alone at too young of an age and I didn't have any education on the matters of those who come to prey on young children. Why I didn't know to protect myself at the age of 11 after having been molested twice before, I don't know.
Goes to show.... even from reading the articles above, that even teens are vulnerable. NEVER leave your children alone. and without education of the whiles of the devil.

I hardly think that the government is going to restrict people with criminal records from working in restaurants. Schools, yes, but restaurants? Carnivals? who knows... Maybe a miracle can happen!
However, If you don't like the fact that Burger King hires repeated sex offenders, well then, give notice to the people in your neighborhood that they must be careful for themselves and their children, and to keep close watch on their children and never leave them alone in any public place.[/size]




Check this out... they want to tax pimps!
http://www.wkyc.com/news/watercooler/watercooler_article.aspx?storyid=54028
Is that a way to clean up the streets? :o


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Re: How Do We Stay Safe In An Unsafe World?

Relic said:
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Not all judges but some judges around here require that a person with a repeated offense of DUI have different license plates. Our plates in Ohio are white background with blue lettering. The repeated DUI offender has to have plates that are yellow/pinkish background with red or blue lettering, I'm not sure what color it is, but that yellow/pinkish background coloring of the plate stands out like a sore thumb! And you know when you are near a convicted Drunk Driver.

When I see those plates I know to stay clear of that car. That's the only defense I have in case that person is breaking the law again by driving while intoxicated. :-?

Also, the new thing in Ohio and about 35 other states is that many of those who are convicted of repeated DUI are now required to wear this bracelet that monitors the alcohol level in their blood and then relay the information to officials. This is supposed to help keep these people sober.
see article here: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=54010&provider=top

So then, what should we do? If a repeated drunk driver lives next door to me, should I call my representative and complain that I don't want any drunks living next door to me because there are children on my street and I don't want any drunks around them because they might harm them by driving crooked on the street or back out of their driveway and hit one of them because they might be drunk and not pay any attention?

What are we to do to keep everyone safe?

First let me say that a drunk driver is a little different than a child molestor. Both may be dangerous to our children but one is intentionally dangerous seeking out ways to harm our children and often are spending a majority of their time trying to find ways to get close to our children and us so that they can harm us. A drunk driver isn't usually trying to hurt anyone but instead lacks the maturity both to limit the amount ofr alcohol and to be responsible when they do drink. At my workplace alone there are four people that have had their drivers license permantley revoked for drunk driving and I look at driving as a privledge. If you can't be responsible enough to stay sober when driving then you shouldn't be allowed to drive. It is also much easier to be aware of what a drunk driver is doing that endangers your children and to watch for these things. A drunk driver is not likely to pull your child out of their bedroom window in the middle of the night, drag them into the street, and then run them over. A repeat child molestor wouldn't hesistate to take such a risk, especially if they thought they could get away with it.

Relic said:
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If a thief gets out of jail and lives next door to me, should I call my representative and complain that I have things he might want to steal and so I don't want him living next door to me?

In our county, a sex offender is not allowed to live within 1000 feet of a school, but what about if they live next door to a person who has children? There are no limitations to that as far as I know. What am I to do if a sex offender chooses to live next door to me, should I complain that I have grandchildren and don't want him to live next door to me because my grandchildren visit me every so often?

Nobody wants to live next door to a pervert, thief, child molestor, or any other type of criminal but unfortunatley they have to live somewhere. The repeat offenders should be kept in jail since they have become useless to society but unfortunatley the government feels that putting away drug dealers for long periods of time is more important than putting away child molestors. I'm not claiming that they can't live in my neighborhood. I don't like them living nearby but I know that not much can be done about it and as I said before they have to live somewhere. They are not allowed to live close to schools because many school districts require children who live close to walk instead of riding a bus. Many parents work during this time and a child walking to school alone or even in a group of children could make easy prey or entice a sex offender to act again. I may not be able to keep them from living near me but if they live nearby and I'm educated about the crimes they committed I know to avoid them and to keep them away from my family.

Relic said:
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We can't even be sure that a person who was never convicted of a sex crime is going to become a (caught) sex offender!

What are you going to do about those who already work with children but they never ever had any record of being a sex offender in the first place, but after months or years of working in the school system they all of a sudden become an offender (they are caught) ? What about those who no one ever suspects of being a sex offender, They live this secret life, and so they prey on unsuspecting people/children in 'secret' all the while molesting children? Are they allowed to work in the Burger King even though no one knows about their secret life?

What about these teachers they are catching? These people have been up to no good BEFORE they got "caught"!

This following incident is about a woman teacher/coach molesting a female student!

Akron coach who had sex with teen player avoids prison.

Eric Mansfield
Created: 6/27/2006 5:12:53 PM
Updated:6/27/2006 5:20:07 PM

AKRON -- A high school basketball coach who molested one of her own players has pleaded guilty just days before she would have stood trial.
22-year-old Quanette Vales received two years community control and forfeited her teaching license after admitting to sexual battery.

Vales had been a coach of the girls basketball team at Firestone High School and had also worked as a substitute teacher.

Investigators say the sexual relationship took place when Vales began driving the 15-year-old girl home from practice.
© 2006
source: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=53987&provider=top


And here is another incident involving a different TEACHER! He was a molester BEFORE he got caught!
http://www.wkyc.com/news/regional/akron_article.aspx?storyid=54021

Unfortunatley there are people out there who are going to take advantage of those who are weaker than them. These people do live double lives and prey on our children. They are in our schools, churches, and workplaces and I'm sure everyone knows one without the knowledge of it. Unless I lock my children in the house and never let them out I'll never be able to keep them away from these sorts of people. These people may never get caught for what they did and what they are doing but they will one day have to face judgement from God and that is good enough for me. This doesn't excuse those who have been caught from their actions.

Relic said:
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It is up to us (the general public) to be aware and take our own precautions and keep close watch on our own children.
These days, you can NEVER leave your child alone anywhere, ever!

I couldn't agree with you more and even without leaving your children alone they are still at risk. Like I said earlier, what is to stop one of the repeat child molestors in the area from breaking into a house and taking children without the knowledge of the parents. I geuss I could bar my house up like a prison but even then a motivated individual would be able to get in. The best I can do is protect them to the best of my ability, ask God to watch over me and my family and provide protection for us, and teach my children right from wrong and make sure that they are able to trust me with anything so that they will come to me if they ever were to fall victim to one of these people. My children are never alone and I hate seeing all the young children in the area walking around alone.

Relic said:
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What do you do in the case of having to leave your children at school? Even the schools these days are not safe! What do you do about those teachers and school employees that don't have a record for sexual offense, but are doing so in secret, they just haven't been caught yet?


What about in the church? Pastors and priests convicted of child molestation? ! What can you do about that? They too were not considered molesters BEFORE they got caught! :-?



There is only so much we can do with people who have criminal records.
Of course we all need to be aware of who is around us. But there are those who are living secret lives of being molesters. What about them?

All we can do is make note and be aware. I see your concern about the Burger King employment factor, but what about those who are LIVING next door to you? Are they molesting in secret? We can't be guaranteed of completely eliminating the criminal from working in restaurants. What we can do is to NEVER leave our children alone!


Do you realize how many women have been sexually molested by their own family members when they were just children? And how many little boys have been victim to molestation by family members also? :o :crying: What about family members who molest their own siblings or children? What do you do about that to protect your child?
The only thing we can do is to educate and keep very close watch on our children. And you know.... Sometimes even that isn't enough! I was molested when I was 5, 8, and 11 years old. Why wasn't I protected? It's a secret I keep from the rest of my family, to this day. I don't want the hurt to spread to them! I was molested twice by neighbors, and once by a sibling. Now tell me, why wasn't I protected? Why was I so naive for 3 times in my life? I live this day with the emotional scars that haunt me, even though I have forgiven them for they didn't know what they were doing to me for the rest of my life. It took me a nearly 45 years to deal with these scars. I have to forgive sometimes on a daily basis. even still :sad All we can do is educate our children and pray that it sticks and they are not fallen victim when we least expect it. I still, to this day, have trouble clearing my mind of the thoughts of second husband messing with my daughter. She denies it but I still have trouble with those thoughts creeping in and haunting me. Too many clues were there. I am haunted for the rest of my life. The only rest I have is in Looking to God for respite from the thoughts when they attack. No one said this life would be easy and free of the devils attempts to harm us. He comes to kill steal and destroy, remember? :-? It is up to us to Keep our children educated and never leave them alone while they are at so vulnerable of an age. I was left alone at too young of an age and I didn't have any education on the matters of those who come to prey on young children. Why I didn't know to protect myself at the age of 11 after having been molested twice before, I don't know.
Goes to show.... even from reading the articles above, that even teens are vulnerable. NEVER leave your children alone. and without education of the whiles of the devil.

Again I agree, I myself learned this lesson the hard way when my oldest daughter was sexually assaulted by a familiy member when she was almost 3 years old. I try to do what I can to keep my children safe, my oldest daughter is 7 and my youngest is going to be 5 next month and they are two of the most important things to me in this life. They are a gift from God and I personally don't want to take a gift that God gave me and allow it to be destroyed or harmed by anyone else. I'm sorry that you had to go through such things when you were younger but I'm sure that your trials have made you stronger. The incident with my daughter is actually what brought me back to God which helped to keep me out of jail for murder. I do my best to protect my children and always have but even then that can fail. Luckily I did do what was possible, I taught my daughter to tell me and my wife about things even at that young of an age and I watched for warning signs as well. My wife doesn't work at all so that she can take care of the kids instead of allowing someone else to and we even pop into school from time to time just to check on them (the school here allows the parents to visit with the kids during class which is nice) Something could still happen but it's not as likely because my wife and I have taken as much of the risk out as possible. Now what more can I do, well I have to put the rest into God's hands and keep on teaching my children about things I wish they didn't have to learn. I may not be able to keep my chlidren away from those who are child molestors that have not been caught but I can make sure that my children know methods to help prevent being molested and that they know that they have to come to me and/or their mother if anything ever happens. II've tried to teach my daughters that if something bad happens to them that they have to tell so that something bad doesn't happen to other kids too and I think they would come to me still. Part of my protection of my children means that I'm not going to allow them around people that I know are dangerous. One of the first posts I made in this forum was on the issue of forgiveness for Christians because I was struggling with the issue because of what happened to my daughter. I knew that if I let my daughter around that family member again that even with my presence I was putting her in danger but I had other family members telling me that I was supposed to forgive and forget. I struggled for a long while before finally figuring out that forgiving didn't mean that I had to endanger my family again. Just because there are people out there that are getting away with it doesn't mean we should expose our children to those who have been caught.

Relic said:
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I hardly think that the government is going to restrict people with criminal records from working in restaurants. Schools, yes, but restaurants? Carnivals? who knows... Maybe a miracle can happen!
However, If you don't like the fact that Burger King hires repeated sex offenders, well then, give notice to the people in your neighborhood that they must be careful for themselves and their children, and to keep close watch on their children and never leave them alone in any public place.[/size]




Check this out... they want to tax pimps!
http://www.wkyc.com/news/watercooler/watercooler_article.aspx?storyid=54028
Is that a way to clean up the streets? :o
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I'm not suggesting that resturants should be restricted from hiring sex offenders, I'm suggest that there should be legislation that businesses that cater toward children as a big part of their business or advertise toward children, like the fast food resturants, should be required to do a simple backround check on employees before hiring them. If a prospective employee is a repeat child molestor then they should not be employed in a job that brings them close to children. I have an article that might show you how dangerous this really is, http://www.newschannel5.com/content/inv ... /18959.asp That is one of the few articles about this that I've been able to find and it only looks at McDonalds but it does say a lot about how dangerous this really can be. If enough people speak up something can be done.
 
vic said:
Great heads-up job. Thanks Rob.We can start an online petition, if you think that would help, then post the link to the petition on as many sites as we can.

http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html

http://www.petitionthem.com/

http://www.onlinepetitions.com/

http://www.petitions.org/

http://www.ipetitions.com/

Thank you for posting these. I will be looking into these tonight as well and posting a link as soon as I start one. :D

*Edit* Started one and here is the link, http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ForTheKids/ I'm currently accepting any suggestions for anything I should change lol. I'm not always the best at writing when my words are limited as they are here.
 
Just curious. Once a person has been labeled, named, and shamed ...how does a Christian respond to that particular person? Do they shun them as one would a leper as does the rest of society? Or, do they take that person under their wing?

This is a legit question. Please answer wisely.
 
I'm very happy to answer that question. First I would like to point to Romans 12:18 . If it is possible I will live at peace with these people, like I said I'm not asking for them to be moved away from my home. I did have to learn though that forgiveness doesn't mean reconciliation so I can forgive the acts that are committed by these perverts and still hope that one day they seek God but realize that it would not be in the best interest of my children or of these people to allow small children around them. Then I would like to point out Psalm 82:1-8 where the Bible says I need to rescue the weak and needy and to deliver them from the hand of the wicked, wouldn't you qualify children as weak and needy and wouldn't you qualify child molestors as wicked? I'll post one last verse before I have to go to work, Luke 17:1-4 so if they say they have repented I am to forgive them. I should not shun them and I should show love to them. This doesn't mean that I shouldn't still take precautions to protect the weak and innocent who can not protect themselves. I can forgive these people as they have paid on earth for their crimes and will one day meet God for final judgement but I'm not going to tempt them again with one of my children or anyone elses if I can help it.

Child molestors are likely to commit their crimes again if the opportunity presents itself. You wouldn't offer a drink of wine to a brother who you knew had overcome an alcholism problem just as you wouldn't want to put a child in front of someone who has overcome a pedophile problem.
 
Rob,

I agree with your post to SputnikBoy and would like to give testimony if it will be taken in respect.

I was fondled by a foster parent at a young age, like around 7 or 8, it’s hard to recall I was bounced around so much. {for those who know part of my story, this is why I always felt safe around the nuns at the Catholic orphanage, I was always safe with them}When I was in grade 7, I stumbled across a bum living by the railroad tracks named Tex who used to try and “Make me a manâ€Â, he would give me food stamps to buy stuff, which I always brought him something back because I felt guilty taking his food stamps… Later, I ran away from home and lived on the streets. I met another man named Sonny Barr. Sonny was straight out of prison for being a pedophile and soon we also became “friendsâ€Â. Later, my testimony put him back in prison, but I met him several years later when he got out (I was 18 or 19??) and low and behold, he had another street kid with him… Around age 16 or so [ages are hard for me to remember], I met another older gentleman with the name Kerry Nicole, (who happened to be around the 94-96 Wenatchee sex ring, but was far enough away that he was never prosecuted.). He introduced me to a man named David Hoffman whom I lived with for just over a year. Later, David died of Aids. Through all this confusion, I decided to travel and I ended up on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood Ca which I’ll not go into detail. I’ve got many stories to tell that would make ones hair stand on end. Upon my travels I met Gordon who was a truck driver and we drove together for two years before I realized that being gay was not me and it was eating me up from my insides out. I saw Gordie about 8 years ago and we had coffee. He told me that he was a pedophile, but I considered him such a good friend I had a hard time accepting it. How could I have such a hatred for pedophiles, yet have such a friendship with one?

From my experience, pedophiles feed on the needs of children and yes, pre-teens and teens are children. When I was getting my divorce, I was accused of molesting my kids by my wife and because I had been molested, I was not trusted as the old saying went, “Molested kids become molestersâ€Â… It took years to clear my name even after passing psych evals and polygraphs.

I really think that I am one of the lucky ones as I have a wonderful wife and a wonderful child and fantastic step children. Through Christ, He has truly saved me and blessed my household. I have much to be thankful for.

But getting back on topic, I hope that everyone signs these petitions. As Christians, we need to forgive those who trespass against us keeping in mind that forgiving, doesn’t mean trusting and your neighbor, is the one who does what’s right in the eyes of God whether they are Christian or not. I can forgive the Tex’s, Barr’s, and Hoffmans, but I don’t have to trust their type and when it comes to protecting my children, I don’t have to tolerate their corrupting influence nor should we have to.
 
StoveBolts said:
I really think that I am one of the lucky ones as I have a wonderful wife and a wonderful child and fantastic step children. Through Christ, He has truly saved me and blessed my household. I have much to be thankful for.


God Bless you Jeff! You took it all to the cross!

Repentance is the start of a miracle and opens the door of salvation!

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As well intentioned as some of you might be, just be careful that this campaign doesn't turn into dangerous lynch mob mentality. While this particular offense may be especially objectionabe to you, please bear in mind that the people you are hunting have already served their time. They have a clean slate and, unless they reoffend, they are guilty of nothing. Use Jesus and your own 'blotted out sins' as your example in this case.
 
SputnikBoy,
While I agree with the spirit of your post, know that Jesus is the only one who can change a life as Relic correctly stated in her last post.

However, It's not about them "doing their time" that washes away their sin. You say that "They are guilty of nothing"... Wrong. They are guilty of taking away the innocence of a little child that will impede that child for a lifetime. What they are guilty of taking away, cannot be repaired by any said time institutionalized that they may do... It's just not that simple and to believe so is simply niave.

Think about these verses with the context of this post in mind...

2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.


And you go on to say...
"unless they reoffend, they are guilty of nothing. "

First,
Would you like them to re-offend on your child or do you not have a child? BTW, did you know that most offenders re-offend? Have you ever wondered why that was?
I'm sorry Sput, I don't hate them, I pity them. However, I will do everything within my awareness to make sure that my children never have to experience an adult violating what God has deemed sacred.
 
Sorry Relic, Jeff and anyone else who has been subjected to this horrific crime and violation. It's truly sad that some here choose to show more sympathy to the ones who offended than to the victims. :crying:

Would you like them to re-offend on your child or do you not have a child? BTW, did you know that most offenders re-offend?
Very true Jeff. Case studies have shown that this pathological behavior doesn't respond well to therapy and rehabilitation.

I suggest people do much research on this subject.
 
StoveBolts said:
SputnikBoy,
While I agree with the spirit of your post, know that Jesus is the only one who can change a life as Relic correctly stated in her last post.

I have no argument with that.

StoveBolts said:
However, It's not about them "doing their time" that washes away their sin. You say that "They are guilty of nothing"... Wrong. They are guilty of taking away the innocence of a little child that will impede that child for a lifetime. What they are guilty of taking away, cannot be repaired by any said time institutionalized that they may do... It's just not that simple and to believe so is simply niave.

The justice system might have its failings but it's the best we have this side of God's kingdom. Once a person has served their time in prison they have paid the penalty for their offense. That's the ONLY way the system can work. We must not set up a band of vigilantes to hunt down ex-offenders and constantly harrass them based on the paranoid notion that they MIGHT re-offend. Have you ever stopped to consider the number of ex-offenders who DON'T re-offend? Or is that immaterial ...should they be hunted down anyway, just to make sure?

StoveBolts said:
Think about these verses with the context of this post in mind...

2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

The above is a nice little emotive red herring. It really has little to do with this particular issue. By the way, do you know that pedophiles were once innocent (and probably cute) kids too? Furthermore - sad but true - the pedophiles of tomorrow are the children of today. It's a fact of life.

StoveBolts said:
And you go on to say...
"unless they reoffend, they are guilty of nothing. "

This is a forum. It operates on the concept that one is free to express their views on many issues. You do. I do. We all do. As far as I know - and correct me with facts and not merely emotions if I happen to be wrong - when one has served their time and is released from prison they have paid their debt to society. The punishment stops once they return to society. If that is not the case, then when did the rules change?

StoveBolts said:
First,
Would you like them to re-offend on your child or do you not have a child?

You're resorting to rhetoric, Stove. But ...no, I wouldn't. And, yes, I do, but he isn't a child any more

StoveBolts said:
BTW, did you know that most offenders re-offend? Have you ever wondered why that was?

No, I really don't have the stats on who re-offends and who doesn't. Until I do I can only take your word for it. What you say IS the common catch-cry, however.

And, if it IS true and I WAS to wonder why that was so, I guess I would have to conclude that it would possibly indicate some kind of a mental disorder. And, if pedophilia IS a form of mental disorder then this DOES offer an explanation for the behavior other than the individual merely being evil. But then, people are generally intolerant to those who exhibit mental disorders anyway.


StoveBolts said:
I'm sorry Sput, I don't hate them, I pity them. However, I will do everything within my awareness to make sure that my children never have to experience an adult violating what God has deemed sacred.

It's good that you exhibit pity toward people who might be struggling with a problem. But your methods of protecting your children are based solely on paranoia. You want to hunt someone down who hasn't yet committed an offense. Where do we draw the line, Stove ...I mean, honestly?
 
vic said:
Sorry Relic, Jeff and anyone else who has been subjected to this horrific crime and violation. It's truly sad that some here choose to show more sympathy to the ones who offended than to the victims. :crying:

Sorry, vic. Sue me, edit me, ban me ...but that is simply emotional claptrap. The use of common-sense logic in regard to this issue is NOT tantamount to showing more sympathy to the ones who offend than to the victims. No one has done that. No one has defended pedophilia. Having said that, Jesus DID come to save the sinner (offender) so we know where His priorities lay. We Christians seem to prioritize the sinners we want anything to do with.

The facts are that there ARE no victims being discussed here on this thread. People are simply chasing shadows and boogie men and shadowy figures that lurk in the recesses of the mind. They are wanting people to sign silly petitions in order to put a stop to offenses that haven't occurred other than in the imagination. They are wanting to harrass others for no other reason that to feel good about themselves. They are wanting to ostracize others on the pretext that they're 'protecting children.'

These campaigns, seen by many to be for the 'betterment of all', are no less than medieval witch-hunts. And, they ultimately serve no purpose other than to stir up the pot of hatred. The world never improves as a result. All one has to do is say the word 'kid' and people turn off their brains and behave irrationally. It never fails. The media has done a fine job conditioning and freaking out many in society. I'm surprised parents still allow their kids outdoors. I would say that the age we live in would have to be the most psychotic and paranoid of any previous age in history.
 
Sput,

I don't have the energy to battle you...you have absoluty no idea... none. If you do, you don't express it. But then again, you'll simply tag this as emotional rhetoric right? Hey, were intelectual beings, not sentient.. Go fight your fight, but in my eyes... your wrong. Dead wrong and I doubt you'll be able to change my views.


Happy camping.
 
It's ok Jeff, I have plenty of energy today.

SputnikBoy said:
vic said:
Sorry Relic, Jeff and anyone else who has been subjected to this horrific crime and violation. It's truly sad that some here choose to show more sympathy to the ones who offended than to the victims. :crying:
Sorry, vic. Sue me, edit me, ban me ...but that is simply emotional claptrap. The use of common-sense logic in regard to this issue is NOT tantamount to showing more sympathy to the ones who offend than to the victims. No one has done that. No one has defended pedophilia. Having said that, Jesus DID come to save the sinner (offender) so we know where His priorities lay. We Christians seem to prioritize the sinners we want anything to do with.

The facts are that there ARE no victims being discussed here on this thread....
Before I go on, Rob, we apologize to you also for the callous remarks some have made here. My heart and sentiments go out to all of you.

Sput,

You just proved one of two things to us, you either didn't read Rob's or Relic's or Stove's posts or... you did and just don't care what they went through. Either way, you are now prohibited from posting in this thread anymore. Post and it will be removed a.s.a.p.

Consider this a warning. :-?
 
Jeff, your testimonies are always amazing.
I have always respected you alot because of the things God has brought you through. You are a jewel of a human being, and it always comes across in the things you have to say.
 
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