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I was going to see "Bonhoeffer" until reading a couple of articles about it. It seems as though Angel Studios may be a far-right leaning studio and massacred Bonhoeffer's spiritual and political beliefs to subtly suggest that Christians doing violence is okay, driven in part by Eric Metaxas.

"But Bonhoeffer is more speculative than circumspect. Atop the familiar scaffolding of the theologian’s life, the film constructs the story of a man who, from childhood, seems destined to leave behind prayer for conspiracy, Bible teaching for political espionage, and theology for activism.

Rather than depicting a man of deep theological convictions and subtle intellect, Bonhoeffer tells the story of a man for whom moral convictions are a flexible and useful tool, a man whose actions are determined not by concerns for the church’s witness but by perceived historical necessity."

"Early reactions to the film, particularly by the Bonhoeffer family, have identified a distorted legacy. The source of some of these distortions seems easy to identify. Bonhoeffer: Pastor. Spy. Assassin. plays off the title of conservative pundit Eric Metaxas’ 2011 Bonhoeffer biography. (Metaxas’ website references the movie in the context of plans for a forthcoming Bonhoeffer streaming series, and he’s promoted it on X.)

The similarity between this rendering of Bonhoeffer’s life and Metaxas’ own trajectory is telling. Though Angel Studios has downplayed any connection between Metaxas and this project, consider the similarities (beyond the film’s subtitle). Both movie Bonhoeffer and Metaxas begin as religious thinkers, become primarily concerned with political life, and ultimately dally with the use of force in service to their ideals.

Early on in the film, Bonhoeffer’s Harlem friend says that sometimes a punch is necessary; in 2020, Eric Metaxas made news when he punched a DC protester. The parallel is too spot-on to be mere coincidence. In his most recent book, Metaxas continues to marshal Bonhoeffer’s work toward his project of politics as the ultimate end of theology. His inflammatory rhetoric consistently equates the American left with the Nazis."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/11/bonhoeffer-movie-review-angel-studios/


'Descendants of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and a number of Bonhoeffer scholars have signed letters denouncing Eric Metaxas and other Christian nationalists they say are twisting the German theologian’s writing to serve their cause.

“From Project 2025 to violent political rhetoric, the legacy of German pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer is being invoked this election season on behalf of Christian nationalism,” the letter from scholars begins. “It is a dangerous and grievous misuse of his theology and life. As an international group of Bonhoeffer scholars, we warn against it.”

A separate letter from 86 of 100 adult descendants of the Bonhoeffer siblings was made public Friday, Oct. 18.

“We are horrified to see how the legacy of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is increasingly being distorted and misused by right-wing extremists, xenophobes and religious agitators,” that letter begins. “As direct descendants of the seven siblings of the theologian and resistance fighter executed by the Nazis, we can testify based on what we learned from our families that he was a peace-loving, freedom-loving humanitarian. Never would he have seen himself associated with far-right, violent movements such as Christian nationalists and others who are trying to appropriate him today. On the contrary, he would have strongly and loudly condemned these attitudes.”

The family letter calls out specifically Metaxas, an ardent Christian nationalist and darling of conservative evangelicalism who wrote a highly contested biography of Bonhoeffer in 2010.

“In the book, he ignored the historical context and misrepresented Bonhoeffer as a fundamentalist evangelical. Metaxas, now a right-wing Trump supporter, regularly compares U.S. President Biden to Hitler, speaks of ‘total war’ and posts photos of a gun on a Bible: ‘So we can now finally clearly see that Biden is our Hitler. … See my Bonhoeffer book for details. The parallels are staggering and increasingly obvious. Pray for this nation. PRAY.’”'

https://baptistnews.com/article/bon...n-against-metaxas-and-christian-nationalists/


It's so unfortunate that Metaxas has gone so far right. It's ungodly. I was wanting his book Bonhoeffer, but not anymore.
 
Thanks 🙏

I dunno 🤷 I suppose I lean left but not hardline or anything. More importantly…

The hard right politicization of Christianity is frightening. The left has its fair share…but they don’t advocate violence and theocracy etc. mostly it’s just never ending material on inequality and…

Liberation theology basically. Which has some merit…

Rambling. It seems that a lot of popular Christian leaders are following earthly power not so much following Jesus Christ.
 
I was going to see "Bonhoeffer" until reading a couple of articles about it. It seems as though Angel Studios may be a far-right leaning studio and massacred Bonhoeffer's spiritual and political beliefs to subtly suggest that Christians doing violence is okay, driven in part by Eric Metaxas.

"But Bonhoeffer is more speculative than circumspect. Atop the familiar scaffolding of the theologian’s life, the film constructs the story of a man who, from childhood, seems destined to leave behind prayer for conspiracy, Bible teaching for political espionage, and theology for activism.

Rather than depicting a man of deep theological convictions and subtle intellect, Bonhoeffer tells the story of a man for whom moral convictions are a flexible and useful tool, a man whose actions are determined not by concerns for the church’s witness but by perceived historical necessity."

"Early reactions to the film, particularly by the Bonhoeffer family, have identified a distorted legacy. The source of some of these distortions seems easy to identify. Bonhoeffer: Pastor. Spy. Assassin. plays off the title of conservative pundit Eric Metaxas’ 2011 Bonhoeffer biography. (Metaxas’ website references the movie in the context of plans for a forthcoming Bonhoeffer streaming series, and he’s promoted it on X.)

The similarity between this rendering of Bonhoeffer’s life and Metaxas’ own trajectory is telling. Though Angel Studios has downplayed any connection between Metaxas and this project, consider the similarities (beyond the film’s subtitle). Both movie Bonhoeffer and Metaxas begin as religious thinkers, become primarily concerned with political life, and ultimately dally with the use of force in service to their ideals.

Early on in the film, Bonhoeffer’s Harlem friend says that sometimes a punch is necessary; in 2020, Eric Metaxas made news when he punched a DC protester. The parallel is too spot-on to be mere coincidence. In his most recent book, Metaxas continues to marshal Bonhoeffer’s work toward his project of politics as the ultimate end of theology. His inflammatory rhetoric consistently equates the American left with the Nazis."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/11/bonhoeffer-movie-review-angel-studios/


'Descendants of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and a number of Bonhoeffer scholars have signed letters denouncing Eric Metaxas and other Christian nationalists they say are twisting the German theologian’s writing to serve their cause.

“From Project 2025 to violent political rhetoric, the legacy of German pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer is being invoked this election season on behalf of Christian nationalism,” the letter from scholars begins. “It is a dangerous and grievous misuse of his theology and life. As an international group of Bonhoeffer scholars, we warn against it.”

A separate letter from 86 of 100 adult descendants of the Bonhoeffer siblings was made public Friday, Oct. 18.

“We are horrified to see how the legacy of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is increasingly being distorted and misused by right-wing extremists, xenophobes and religious agitators,” that letter begins. “As direct descendants of the seven siblings of the theologian and resistance fighter executed by the Nazis, we can testify based on what we learned from our families that he was a peace-loving, freedom-loving humanitarian. Never would he have seen himself associated with far-right, violent movements such as Christian nationalists and others who are trying to appropriate him today. On the contrary, he would have strongly and loudly condemned these attitudes.”

The family letter calls out specifically Metaxas, an ardent Christian nationalist and darling of conservative evangelicalism who wrote a highly contested biography of Bonhoeffer in 2010.

“In the book, he ignored the historical context and misrepresented Bonhoeffer as a fundamentalist evangelical. Metaxas, now a right-wing Trump supporter, regularly compares U.S. President Biden to Hitler, speaks of ‘total war’ and posts photos of a gun on a Bible: ‘So we can now finally clearly see that Biden is our Hitler. … See my Bonhoeffer book for details. The parallels are staggering and increasingly obvious. Pray for this nation. PRAY.’”'

https://baptistnews.com/article/bon...n-against-metaxas-and-christian-nationalists/


It's so unfortunate that Metaxas has gone so far right. It's ungodly. I was wanting his book Bonhoeffer, but not anymore.

I myself am an American and Trump supporter.

However I don’t condone any distortion of the life of any Christian that God has used.

I certainly don’t agree with the ideology of the current Democrat Party but that could certainly change in the future if the right leader for our Nation arises in that party.


Remember;

Trump was a Democrat.

RFK jr. was a Democrat.

Tulsi Gabbard was a Democrat.


Let’s be Christian.

Let’s be American First before a political party.




JLB
 
I read his book, The Cost Of Discipleship. Or rather listened to it a few times on CD. He didn't strike me as someone prone to violence. But far right wing to a liberal is center for me. Hitler would be quite comfortable being a liberal Democrat in the U.S. today. Maybe for another thread, if we ever get the political forum back again.:helmet

Dave
 
Hitler would be quite comfortable being a liberal Democrat in the U.S.

Yes. Unfortunately you are probably right.

I believe JFK was a great American leader, being a Democrat.


But just as true, Hitler would have fit nicely into the Bush Administration.


The Globalist antichrist agenda must destroy America in order to achieve it’s goal of Global Government.


When I say destroy I mean destroy the identity of America being one nation under God Almighty, so it’s is perverted into an antichrist nation.





JLB
 
Maybe for another thread, if we ever get the political forum back again.

If it ever comes back, each person must qualify by having a special access to that area that is unseen by the rest of the community.
 
If it ever comes back, each person must qualify by having a special access to that area that is unseen by the rest of the community.

What must one do to qualify for this special access, If it ever comes back? Any ideas yet?

Dave
 
Yes. Unfortunately you are probably right.

I believe JFK was a great American leader, being a Democrat.


But just as true, Hitler would have fit nicely into the Bush Administration.


The Globalist antichrist agenda must destroy America in order to achieve it’s goal of Global Government.


When I say destroy I mean destroy the identity of America being one nation under God Almighty, so it’s is perverted into an antichrist nation.





JLB

I always believed that Bush, jr., or George W, was the only real Christian we had in the White House for some time. I don't see any connection between him and Hitler other than the media garbage that kept calling him a fascist. Fascism is a liberal ideology. All the WMD garbage was all proven to be false. Remember, Bush lied people died? If it proved anything, it proved that the liberal media can rewrite history that just happened. In the matter of five years they programmed all their faithful to blank out on history and hold onto a dream planted in their heads. It simply amazing to me how easy it was for them. This is common today though. But, I'm just going on record. As I said for another forum, the special one, that isn't yet, but might be, if you have the special knock to enter. :)

Dave
 
What must one do to qualify for this special access, If it ever comes back? Any ideas yet?

Dave

Yes. We used to have such an area.

It can easily be done again.

It’s up to Admin team.
 
I always believed that Bush, jr., or George W, was the only real Christian we had in the White House for some time.

PM me so our discussion doesn’t derail this thread.
 
A separate letter from 86 of 100 adult descendants of the Bonhoeffer siblings was made public Friday, Oct. 18.

“We are horrified to see how the legacy of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is increasingly being distorted and misused by right-wing extremists, xenophobes and religious agitators,” that letter begins. “As direct descendants of the seven siblings of the theologian and resistance fighter executed by the Nazis, we can testify based on what we learned from our families that he was a peace-loving, freedom-loving humanitarian. Never would he have seen himself associated with far-right, violent movements such as Christian nationalists and others who are trying to appropriate him today. On the contrary, he would have strongly and loudly condemned these attitudes.”

The family letter calls out specifically Metaxas, an ardent Christian nationalist and darling of conservative evangelicalism who wrote a highly contested biography of Bonhoeffer in 2010.

“In the book, he ignored the historical context and misrepresented Bonhoeffer as a fundamentalist evangelical. Metaxas, now a right-wing Trump supporter, regularly compares U.S. President Biden to Hitler, speaks of ‘total war’ and posts photos of a gun on a Bible: ‘So we can now finally clearly see that Biden is our Hitler. … See my Bonhoeffer book for details. The parallels are staggering and increasingly obvious. Pray for this nation. PRAY.’”'

https://baptistnews.com/article/bon...n-against-metaxas-and-christian-nationalists/


It's so unfortunate that Metaxas has gone so far right. It's ungodly. I was wanting his book Bonhoeffer, but not anymore.

I'd have to see the movie to know what's really going on. Like I said, middle of the road to me is far right wing to a liberal. But, there is more going on here than you might think. I see code words from the liberal propaganda machine that immediately set up red flags from the letter quoted. Like "Christian Nationalists". Hollywood is pushing this idea now with a vengeance. Bonhoeffer WAS a fundamentalist evangelical, just not as the liberals would define that label. You can be a fundamentalist evangelical and a passivist. They are not in conflict with each other.

Keep in mind that the left has compared every Republican Presidential candidate for five decades to Hitler. Also White supremacy, now Christian nationalists. Are you going to believe Woopie, or the facts?

When I see "Christian Nationalists", My reading usually stops there. I know that what I'm reading is propaganda. Like I said, I'll withhold judgement until I see the movie.

Dave
 
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I'd have to see the movie to know what's really going on. Like I said, middle of the road to me is far right wing to a liberal. But, there is more going on here than you might think. I see code words from the liberal propaganda machine that immediately set up red flags from the letter quoted. Like "Christian Nationalists". Hollywood is pushing this idea now with a vengeance. Bonhoeffer WAS a fundamentalist evangelical, just not as the liberals would define that label. You can be a fundamentalist evangelical and a passivist. They are not in conflict with each other.

Keep in mind that the left has compared every Republican Presidential candidate for five decades to Hitler. Also White supremacy, now Christian nationalists. Are you going to believe Woopie, or the facts?

When I see "Christian Nationalists", My reading usually stops there. I know that what I'm reading is propaganda. Like I said, I'll withhold judgement until I see the movie.

Dave
There is such a thing as Christian Nationalism, though, in the far-right and all across the spectrum, meaning different things to different people. While the Left might take it too far to mean things it doesn't to some on the Right, there are quite likely those on the Right who do take it to mean the same as those on the Left. Among them are those who think the U.S. should "return" to being a Christian nation (as if it ever was), even a theocracy.

It is supposed to be an entertaining movie, but the fact remains that Bonhoeffer's life and beliefs are distorted, and that usually only happens for a purpose. Of course, it seems to be, at least in part, based on Metaxas's very problematic biography. All the more concerning is that Bonhoeffer is coming from Angel Studios, which seems to be a "Christian" production company. The questions then are, why would a Christian movie production company seriously distort the life and message of a great theologian and why would it do so at this point in time?


It's worth reading the FB post of Joel Lawrence (provided in the link below the video):

"I just got home from seeing the new Bonhoeffer movie, "Bonhoeffer: Pastor. Spy. Assassin." Some folks have asked me my thoughts on the movie. So, here you go. (I'm sure it's more than people want, but this is what happens when a theologian has a movie made about his topic!)

Let me begin by saying that I am glad that the movie wasn’t a full-on Eric Metaxas level misrepresentation of Bonhoeffer. Metaxas has ripped Bonhoeffer from his theological context in order to make him something he is not: a right-wing American culture warrior/Christian Nationalist. From that angle, this movie is a better piece of popular culture to have out there than the Metaxas book.

However, the movie makes some moves that tell a stylized Bonhoeffer story rather than the actual Bonhoeffer story. To capture the way the movie does this, here are some examples of how the retelling misleads in ways that are important to understand.

First: the historical timeline is pretty funky. A few examples:
- They had Bonhoeffer arriving back from New York in 1933, doubtful of the Nazi threat until his family convinced him of it. But in fact, he arrived back from New York in 1931, and was in Berlin in 1931-1934, and was well aware of the rise of the Nazis. Also, Hitler came to power in January of 1933, so he would have already been in power when the Bonhoeffer's were debating whether he would hold power.
- The movie has Bonhoeffer at Finkenwalde in 1938 when Kristallnacht occurred. Finkenwalde was closed in 1937. And it wasn't violently suppressed as indicated in the movie, nor were the students there forced to the army, nor would Bonhoeffer had been executed had he been there, as the film indicates.
- The scenes with Martin Niemoeller meeting Bonhoeffer at Finkenwalde, and then Bonhoeffer going to see him after Kristallnacht, are fabrications. Niemoeller was arrested in 1937 and sent to Sachsenhausen, and so was in a concentration camp when Kristallnacht occurred.
- They had Bonhoeffer go to London on his way back from New York in 1939, to ask Churchill, via Bishop George Bell, for a bomb to use in the assassination. This never happened, and Churchill wasn’t Prime Minister until May 1940.
- Bonhoeffer got smacked in the face way more times in the movie than he did in real life.
- There are more historical inaccuracies, but I think this captures the flavor.

Second: We need to see how the historical timeline impacts the story being told. Clearly, historical liberties happen in movies all the time to compress timelines and capture the essence of the story. I have sympathy for the challenge of telling a complex story in 2 hours. So perhaps we can say that the filmmakers did what filmmakers do: they took some license with the subject in order to translate the story onto film.

My concern, however, is that the way the movie does this recasts Bonhoeffer in service of a story that we want, but that isn't Bonhoeffer's story. I don't get the impression that the filmmakers did this maliciously, and the movie does capture some inspiring aspects of Bonhoeffer’s story. But the movie elevates Bonhoeffer to a heroic role in the plot to assassinate Hitler that he didn’t have, and so creates a version of him that is very movie-inspirational, but not accurate to the historical or theological reality of Bonhoeffer.
- In one scene, they have he and his brother-in-law, Hans von Dohnanyi, in a café with a man who was going to kill Hitler. This badly misrepresents Bonhoeffer’s role in the conspiracy. It puts him in a position near the center of the planning that he never held. Bonhoeffer was a tangential figure, whose role was primarily to pass on information from the conspirators to the British through Bishop Bell. He was never a central plotter, and was never in the room when orders were being given.
- The film also has Gerhard Jacobi sending him to London as a spy. This is not accurate. He was never sent as a spy. He made relationships in England through the Ecumenical movement in the early 1930's and when he was a pastor in London in 1934-1935 that he used to communicate via back channels, but he wasn’t sent as a spy.
- In the scene in the movie where Bonhoeffer is arrested, the arresting officer says something like “what has it come to when a pastor becomes an assassin.” Bonhoeffer wasn’t arrested for being an assassin. His role in the conspiracy to kill Hitler wasn’t known by the Nazis until well into his time in prison. He was arrested for conspiring to rescue Jews via a peripheral role in Operation 7 (taking the 7 Jews to Switzerland, which was also deeply misrepresented in the movie...he didn't go with them), using his foreign travels for non-intelligence matters, and misusing his intelligence position to help Confessing Church pastors evade military service.
- So the subtitle “Pastor. Spy. Assassin” casts the story in a misleading direction. And the fact that he’s holding a gun in the movie poster is problematic.

I am currently working on an article that outlines what I believe is the basic mistake Americans make with Bonhoeffer: We turn him into a figure of our American theology of glory, our American triumphalism, and celebrate him as a heroic emblem of our American gospel, and so fail to deeply wrestle with what he wrestled with: the theology of the cross. I appreciate, to an extent, the way the film highlighted his wresting with the call to the cross, but it did so in a way that took Bonhoeffer out of his story to put him in an inspirational one for us. In other words, his theology of the cross becomes for us a theology of glory. As such, we lose the challenge that Bonhoeffer's life has for us by making him a symbol of what we already believe.

So, my encouragement: if you see this movie, but don't know much about Bonhoeffer, understand that this telling of Bonhoeffer's story is stylized, and so in some important ways misleading, so you will need to do further reading to get a better picture of Bonhoeffer."
 
Among them are those who think the U.S. should "return" to being a Christian nation (as if it ever was), even a theocracy.

So you don’t believe America was founded on Christian principles?
 
The WW2 buff in me might have to pick up a book on him

Bonhoeffer was reformed .
 
Can we just agree that Bonhoeffer was a pacifist, but not a hippie? :WInkx

If they have Bonhoeffer in some kind of plot to assassinate Hitler, I would ask for the proof. It doesn't seem like him. But isn't that what Hollywood does? They claim that a movie is based on true history, but we all know that the 'true history' often times ends with the names of the characters. Creative liberties, art, or something like that. I mean, they portray Jesus as a hippie all the time.

Dave
 
Can we just agree that Bonhoeffer was a pacifist, but not a hippie? :WInkx

If they have Bonhoeffer in some kind of plot to assassinate Hitler, I would ask for the proof. It doesn't seem like him. But isn't that what Hollywood does? They claim that a movie is based on true history, but we all know that the 'true history' often times ends with the names of the characters. Creative liberties, art, or something like that. I mean, they portray Jesus as a hippie all the time.

Dave
A bit more complicated he was kinda of a double agent by being part of the abwehr and was a courier for the resistance.
 
I read his book, The Cost Of Discipleship. Or rather listened to it a few times on CD. He didn't strike me as someone prone to violence. But far right wing to a liberal is center for me. Hitler would be quite comfortable being a liberal Democrat in the U.S. today. Maybe for another thread, if we ever get the political forum back again.:helmet

Dave
Yeah cuz Hitler was very well known for his pro-LGBT stances and concern for the poor and immigrants.
 
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