New Testament View of the Old Testament

[Free]

In your mind? Again there is no doubt. It's all part of the Christianity that says, "I don't have to listen to every word that comes from God's mouth just the ones I want to." Keep in mind Free. The Apostles said nothing about the Ten Commandments in this passage of Acts 15. Using your logic then they must have endorsed not keeping them.

What is it that you don't understand about this passage? The requirements given to the Gentiles were in direct response to the argument that they should be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. It is clear that Gentiles were not to be held to the law of Moses and only to the requirements given.

 

[RND]

What is it that you don't understand about this passage?

I understand the passage quite well Free.

The requirements given to the Gentiles were in direct response to the argument that they should be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

Exactly and that is why the Apostles had them keep the health requirements of the law of Moshe.

It is clear that Gentiles were not to be held to the law of Moses and only to the requirements given.

Again, in your mind this is true. In all reality however the gentiles converts were to keep the provisions of the law. For example Free do you think that gentiles could marry their sisters and Jews couldn't? Or that gentiles didn't have to respect their elders but Jews did? Take a look at the law of Moshes sometime Free and list all the laws that God would still have us to keep. You'll be surprised.

Another example. Were gentile converts given a pass to sleep with animals or others of their own sex? (Sorry if that's too graphic ) Of course not you say. Me too. But this was long before even one letter was written to the churches! So what did these gentiles hear when they went into the synagogue on sabbath? That's right, the law and the prophets. Not once, ever, did Paul tell the people they no longer had to hear the law and the prophets and in fact told Timothy:

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All scripture includes the law of Moshe Free whether you choose to believe that or not.

So I might ask you the same thing. "What is it that you don't understand about this passage?"

 

[Free]

The requirements given to the Gentiles were in direct response to the argument that they should be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

Exactly and that is why the Apostles had them keep the health requirements of the law of Moshe.

Are you kidding me? After I stated that they were likely things to keep the Gentiles from identifying with paganism and pagan worship, to which you agreed, and that two of the requirements were given long before the law, you still want to argue that the Apostles were putting health requirements from the law on them? All those four things can be argued to without appealing to the law of Moses.

You really aren't following what I am saying. The the four requirements given were given as opposed to having the Gentiles adhere to the law. To make the Gentiles keep the law of Moses is the same as "putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear."

What this passage is in effect saying is that Gentiles are not required to be circumcised nor keep the law of Moses.

 

[RND]

Are you kidding me? After I stated that they were likely things to keep the Gentiles from identifying with paganism and pagan worship, to which you agreed, and that two of the requirements were given long before the law, you still want to argue that the Apostles were putting health requirements from the law on them? All those four things can be argued to without appealing to the law of Moses.

You mean the Apostles didn't instruct new converts, who were probably used to sacrificing to pagan gods and eating pagan foods, to stay away from these things? Who's kidding who Free?

You really aren't following what I am saying. The the four requirements given were given as opposed to having the Gentiles adhere to the law.

Free, by giving those requirements they were indeed having the new converts adhere to the law.

Are you suggesting that the new converts couldn't eat blood but they could marry their sisters?

To make the Gentiles keep the law of Moses is the same as "putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear."

For salvation? Sure. But that wasn't what it was for was it?

What this passage is in effect saying is that Gentiles are not required to be circumcised nor keep the law of Moses.

For salvation.