Bible Study No Law, No Sin, No Salvation !

[Solo]

Moses wrote in a 'book', the law God gave Him.
The 10 commandments were written on Stone tablets, by Christ Himself.

The Ark of the Covenant:

#1.) Law of Moses were placed on the 'outside' of the Ark.

#2.) The 10 Commandments were placed'inside' the Ark of the Covenant.


The Law written in a book shows their perishable nature.

The Law written on stone tablets, shows the permanent nature.

So what does the Law of Moses say, and what does the Law of God say?

 

[Jay T]

So what does the Law of Moses say, and what does the Law of God say?

In reality....Even the Law of Moses, is the Law of God, as it was dictated to Moses, to be written in a book (Exodus 24:4,7).

BUT, the following Bible verse(s) reveal that there is a difference between what Christ wrote out Himself on Mt. Sinai.......and, the Laws which God had Moses write out.

At the end of the quoted 10 commandments, you'll find the stateement: 'and He added no more'

10 COMMANDMENTS.....
Deut. 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

#2.) 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,
5:10 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

#3.) 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

#4.) 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
5:14 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

#5.) 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

#6.) 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.

#7.) 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

# 8.) 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.

# 9.) 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

# 10.) 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.

5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
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The book of Leviticus contains most of the Laws of Moses, as the Law of Moses extends into other books of the OT, as well.

 

[Solo]

Jay T,
So do you follow the Law of God or the Law of Moses? Since the Law of God is sealed in the ark of the covenant, how do you know what to follow of the Word of God?

 

[Jay T]

Jay T,
So do you follow the Law of God or the Law of Moses? Since the Law of God is sealed in the ark of the covenant, how do you know what to follow of the Word of God?

Good questions.
Since Jesus Christ is my example to follow, I look to what He said He did....
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love".
And, that requires careful study of what He did, during His life on earth....as one of His missions was:
Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.
He showed the proper attitude for God's Law, instead of heaping burdens on God's Law, like the religious leaders did.

As to the Laws of Moses....the only thing I can find that was abolished at the cross of Jesus was....the system of sacrifices.
which were the shadow of things to come....UNTIL, it met its fulfillment in Jesus Christ, who was the supreme sacrifical Lamb of God.
I believe that this was the Law of Moses, that was fulfilled, that Scripture spoke of.

 

[Solo]

Good questions.
Since Jesus Christ is my example to follow, I look to what He said He did....
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love".
And, that requires careful study of what He did, during His life on earth....as one of His missions was:
Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.
He showed the proper attitude for God's Law, instead of heaping burdens on God's Law, like the religious leaders did.

As to the Laws of Moses....the only thing I can find that was abolished at the cross of Jesus was....the system of sacrifices.
which were the shadow of things to come....UNTIL, it met its fulfillment in Jesus Christ, who was the supreme sacrifical Lamb of God.
I believe that this was the Law of Moses, that was fulfilled, that Scripture spoke of.

So my question to you is, Do you follow the Law of Moses or the Law of God, or are both the same?

 

[Jay T]

So my question to you is, Do you follow the Law of Moses or the Law of God, or are both the same?

I give up !

You don't even know when I have answered you !

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Solo]

I give up !

You don't even know when I have answered you !

Perhaps it is your manner of answering in vague, generalizations that do not tie you down to any one answer. In the past you stated that you did not follow the Law of Moses; now you are saying that God's law is unknowable because it is locked up in the ark of the covenant; therefore you sidestep the issue of where you get the commandment to hallow the sabbath.

Do you get the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy from the Law of Moses or the Law of God? From which Scripture do you get this commandment from? Answer in as truthful manner as you know how, and then give the Scriptures that backup your claim; otherwise you will not be teaching your position clear enough.

 

[Jay T]

Perhaps it is your manner of answering in vague, generalizations that do not tie you down to any one answer.

Perhaps that is so.
I try to keep it simple, but maybe that's the trouble....most people will NOT believe anything simple.

In the past you stated that you did not follow the Law of Moses; now you are saying that God's law is unknowable because it is locked up in the ark of the covenant;

There you go again, stating things I never said.
I NEVER said the 10 commandments were locked up, in anything.

therefore you sidestep the issue of where you get the commandment to hallow the sabbath.

Where did all the disciples get the observance of the sabbath....from Scripture itself, as in God's word.

IF....the Christian world would study thieir Bibles, themselves, they might find the same info in the Bible, also ?

Do you get the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy from the Law of Moses or the Law of God?

Let me show you, OK ?

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
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20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.

OH, before I forget.....
5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.
5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.
5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

From which Scripture do you get this commandment from? Answer in as truthful manner as you know how, and then give the Scriptures that backup your claim; otherwise you will not be teaching your position clear enough.

I believe I've made my position quite clear.

 

[Solo]

Good bye Jay T.

 

[Jay T]

Good bye Jay T.

WOW....Really ?

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Good bye Jay T.

Hold the door, I'm coming too.

 

[Jay T]

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why didn't you finish with verse 10 ?

You leave the impression that works are nothing, which verse 10 explains.....

2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.