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No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him.

gordon777

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No man knows who the Son is, yet the most popular discussion on forums is questioning who the Son of God is ?

The reason nobody knows who the Son is, is told, because they are the wise and prudent of this world.

The Son of God is never revealed to those wise and prudent, who endlessly discuss ( debate) who the Son of God is, because this knowledge is covered, and is unknown by all those wise and prudent, and it is revealed to babes.

That is why all discussion of trinity, and of who the Son of God is, is futile, because unless all of those wise and prudent receive the Kingdom of Heaven as a little child, ( revealed unto babes) they cant ever know what they are arguing about, or what they are teaching/ affirming.


Reading below, we see that the Son of man requires being revealed.

Also the question was asked where Lord ? The answer was given, where the body is, that is where the gathering will be. ( revealed to those who become as a little child/ which is to have the Son of God revealed to them.) That is at the same time all was revealed to Noah and Lot, which was the revelation of how to be delivered from destruction, which the ungodly did not get revealed how to be delivered. ( the Son of God is revealed to the babes to know how to not be condemned with the world. Hebrews 11:7. 1 Corinthians 11:32.)








Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.





The day of the hour of that destruction, is known by the Father only. But it is the coming of the Son of man, ( which the ungodly do not have the Son revealed to them to know how to be delivered and not condemned with the world, which is also the Father revealed to the babes.)

The Son of man therefore comes in an hour we are unaware of, and we watch as we do not know what hour our Lord comes ( the hour the Lord Jesus Christ comes)









Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.





That is the Son of God being revealed, ( the Father revealing His Son in us. Galatians 1:16) for us to watch, as it is WE, who do not know the day nor the hour the Son of man comes.

Watching for that Kingdom of Jesus Christ, is watching the Son who traveled far away, to receive the Kingdom, and returned when He had received the Kingdom, and we watch ourselves whether we can enter into that Kingdom or not.










Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.


Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.





The wise and prudent of this world, ( ungodly world) will dispute on who the Son of God is, but to have the Son revealed to us, is to honour the Son, even as they honour the Father, or they do not honour the Father when they do not honour the Son, the same.

Jesus went to prepare a place, to receive us again. The Son is the way, and no man comes to the Father but by Him. To know the Son is to know the Father, and the Son returns when He has received the Kingdom. ( That is the day and the hour of the Son.)








John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.






The Son is only revealed to the babes, and those wise and prudent endlessly discuss who the Son is( without ever being able to know who He is, plus they also do not honour the Son even as they honour the Father.)

It is the glory of the Son that shall be revealed ( what glory have the wise and prudent, who never stop teaching about who the Son of God is, when they can never know who He is ?)

The wise and prudent consequently then have endlessly detailed their misguidance of who they thought the Son of God was, ( they dishonoured Him, to not honour the Son even as they honour the Father.) and the Lord shows who is the only God, against their honour of the wicked one, who the Lord consumes him, and them ( the wise and prudent) at His coming, then all is revealed.







Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:


1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.


2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
Also, in one moment, more information can be shared regarding what everybody in the entire world does not know, over what information those wise and prudent keep sharing, which they claim they know what they are talking about.

If vanity is not their aim and purpose, why else has God withheld who He is from them, and at the same time( through the wisdom of the Lord.) the wise and prudent show how their wisdom is turned backwards into foolishness, because they not only talk about the Son of God, without knowing who He is, they also talk about what abundance of knowledge they have, ( their own selves only.) when they discuss what they consider God to be. ( but they will only tell the mystery of Christ or the mystery of iniquity, and it is easy to see all of the years lasting,vain forum talk, can never be godliness.)
 
Now people have two choices, to hear the same talk that is shared by the same people, daily, or to hear something else, while it is still called to day. ( To day and NOW.)



Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
 
Why would the deceivers ( serpents) once they are uncovered, still deceive on ? Because it is their nature to be what they have always been and done, so those who are accustomed to do evil, never stop from it.



Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
 
Do you believe that our beliefs about Jesus should be based on what the Bible reveals? Do you think people can believe whatever they want about Jesus, that he can be whoever or whatever they think the Bible reveals him to be, and still be saved?
 
Everybody talks away like it is something they are good at.

Nobody knows who the Son is, but who the Son reveals Himself to, and for that to happen they cant be the ones who do not honour the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.
 
Everybody talks away like it is something they are good at.
Yes, yes they do.

Nobody knows who the Son is, but who the Son reveals Himself to, and for that to happen they cant be the ones who do not honour the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.
Do you believe that our beliefs about Jesus should be based on what the Bible reveals? Do you think people can believe whatever they want about Jesus, that he can be whoever or whatever they think the Bible reveals him to be, and still be saved?
 
Free, I know you assume you are free, but you are not free to repeatedly ask the same question, if you do I will report you.

I will answer again.....


Nobody knows who the Son is, but who the Son reveals Himself to, and for that to happen they cant be the ones who do not honour the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.




John 5:23 THAT ALL MEN SHOULD HONOUR THE SON, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and NO MAN KNOWETH WHO THE SON IS, BUT THE FATHER, AND WHO THE FATHER IS, BUT THE SON, AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.
 
19 years on a forum, is a long time, almost an eternity, some go to eternal life and some to everlasting punishment and damnation.



Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
Free, I know you assume you are free, but you are not free to repeatedly ask the same question, if you do I will report you.

I will answer again.....


Nobody knows who the Son is, but who the Son reveals Himself to, and for that to happen they cant be the ones who do not honour the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.




John 5:23 THAT ALL MEN SHOULD HONOUR THE SON, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and NO MAN KNOWETH WHO THE SON IS, BUT THE FATHER, AND WHO THE FATHER IS, BUT THE SON, AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.
The questions I asked are simple and straightforward. You could even answer just "yes" or "no" to each, although that wouldn't be entirely helpful, but it would at least give me something to work with. What you have "answered" with says nothing at all regarding my questions.

19 years on a forum, is a long time, almost an eternity, some go to eternal life and some to everlasting punishment and damnation.



Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Not even remotely close to eternity. What is your point?
 
You must be a bit too long on a forum ( 19 years) to not see you are answered directly.




Belief of Jesus based on what the bible reveals....




God reveals His Son in us ( that is BY THE SPIRIT/THIS IS WHAT REVEALS THE SON)..




Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;



Can people believe whatever they want about Jesus ( the bible could not reveal the Son to anyone, it is the Spirit that does.)

People are free to believe whatever they want, but as told already( and it is everything we are testified regarding knowing the Son of God Jesus Christ.) no man knows who the Son is, but the Father,
AND WHO THE FATHER IS, BUT THE SON, AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.
 
When somebody shows( to me) they do not even understand what they are asking( not asking things that are anything at all) the answer is never going to be right at all for them.

But, the answer is straight forward, it is what the thread is all about, and the purpose for it, is to show that all the discussion about who the Son of God is, is not for the people who fail to honour the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.
 
None of the wicked can understand, that is why it is testified again, how they are ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth( ever have revealed to them who the Son and the Father are.)


Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.



All the deceivers in the world( many) cant achieve a single thing, it is them who are deceived.

That is why instruction( which the wicked cant understand) is to the wise, who hear the simplicity that is in Christ, how the Apostles of the Lord had the the doctrine ( of the Spirit) to be longsuffering, patient, persecuted, afflicted, and endured. (in charity.) They show who the Son is by always bearing in their body the dying of the Lord Jesus,( seducers show nothing and say nothing useful, at all, because the Apostle of the Lord are already the true examples.)




2 Timothy 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2 Corinthians 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
 
That clearly then is what the Apostles have spoken to the world, in the mystery of God, and eye cant see, and ear cant hear, neither does the heart of man have the things of God entered into it.

That is why, all the debates on forums, the discussions, the disputes, are signs of confusion, because there is nothing to ask about or discuss, as clearly testified for us all, God reveals them to us by His Spirit, that is the understanding on all the deep things of God.

God may give the Spirit of revelation in the knowledge of Him, and we have to know that the same applied to the Apostles, that by revelation, God, ( Jesus Christ) made known to them the mystery of the wisdom of God. ( that mystery is the Spirit, as then we are given all things freely by God to know with.)




1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
 
Do you believe that our beliefs about Jesus should be based on what the Bible reveals? Do you think people can believe whatever they want about Jesus, that he can be whoever or whatever they think the Bible reveals him to be, and still be saved?
a) Yes
b) No
 
You must be a bit too long on a forum ( 19 years) to not see you are answered directly.
You didn't answer directly. You write a lot but, in my opinion, communicate very little.

Belief of Jesus based on what the bible reveals....

God reveals His Son in us ( that is BY THE SPIRIT/THIS IS WHAT REVEALS THE SON)..
That isn't the answer to what I asked. What I asked was: Do you believe that our beliefs about Jesus should be based on what the Bible reveals? Do you think people can believe whatever they want about Jesus, that he can be whoever or whatever they think the Bible reveals him to be, and still be saved?

I'll help you out.

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

Notice that salvation is based on believing who Jesus is as given in the book of John. And that is just a restatement of what John said earlier in several places:

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

To "believe in his name" means to believe in all that is revealed in the name Jesus Christ, the Son of God; all that that entails in his character and person.

Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Right. The NT hadn't been written and God chose to reveal his Son specifically to Paul for specific reasons.

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
What does this verse have to do with what we're talking about? You're making connections where there are none, based on word usage, and ignore the context.

Eph 3:3 how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly.
Eph 3:4 When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ,
Eph 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Eph 3:7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God's grace, which was given me by the working of his power. (ESV)

Can people believe whatever they want about Jesus ( the bible could not reveal the Son to anyone, it is the Spirit that does.)
This goes against what the Bible says. In fact, the whole point in everything being written down was so that we could know who Jesus is, why we need salvation, and that salvation is found through Jesus alone. John wrote in his first epistle that:

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. (ESV)

1Jn 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. (ESV)

1Jn 5:10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (ESV)

We are warned of false prophets and teachers who preach another gospel and another Jesus.

People are free to believe whatever they want, but as told already( and it is everything we are testified regarding knowing the Son of God Jesus Christ.) no man knows who the Son is, but the Father,
AND WHO THE FATHER IS, BUT THE SON, AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.
While people are free to believe what they want, salvation depends on believing certain things to be true, and that most certainly includes believing in who Jesus (and the Apostles) says he is. The knowledge Jesus is talking of in Mat 11:27 is that which is full knowledge of the Father and of the Son regarding their glory, their nature, their purposes, etc.

However, as I have shown, the Bible was written for us, that we may know certain things, including who Jesus is, and that in knowing these things about him, we can be saved.
 
You didn't answer directly. You write a lot but, in my opinion, communicate very little.


That isn't the answer to what I asked. What I asked was: Do you believe that our beliefs about Jesus should be based on what the Bible reveals? Do you think people can believe whatever they want about Jesus, that he can be whoever or whatever they think the Bible reveals him to be, and still be saved?

I'll help you out.

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

Notice that salvation is based on believing who Jesus is as given in the book of John. And that is just a restatement of what John said earlier in several places:

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

To "believe in his name" means to believe in all that is revealed in the name Jesus Christ, the Son of God; all that that entails in his character and person.


Right. The NT hadn't been written and God chose to reveal his Son specifically to Paul for specific reasons.


What does this verse have to do with what we're talking about? You're making connections where there are none, based on word usage, and ignore the context.

Eph 3:3 how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly.
Eph 3:4 When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ,
Eph 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Eph 3:7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God's grace, which was given me by the working of his power. (ESV)


This goes against what the Bible says. In fact, the whole point in everything being written down was so that we could know who Jesus is, why we need salvation, and that salvation is found through Jesus alone. John wrote in his first epistle that:

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. (ESV)

1Jn 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. (ESV)

1Jn 5:10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (ESV)

We are warned of false prophets and teachers who preach another gospel and another Jesus.


While people are free to believe what they want, salvation depends on believing certain things to be true, and that most certainly includes believing in who Jesus (and the Apostles) says he is. The knowledge Jesus is talking of in Mat 11:27 is that which is full knowledge of the Father and of the Son regarding their glory, their nature, their purposes, etc.

However, as I have shown, the Bible was written for us, that we may know certain things, including who Jesus is, and that in knowing these things about him, we can be saved.
You are very patient with gordon777. I put him on ignore long ago.
 
Sorry all of that was for nothing.

The Son of God is revealed to who He chooses, and it cannot be those who do not honour the Son even as they honour the Father.

That is the purpose of the thread, and that is not debatable, or even up for discussion, it is to expose all those who deny the Son of God. ( they deny Him by not acknowledging He is the same as the Father.)


John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
 
Free:


"Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

Notice that salvation is based on believing who Jesus is as given in the book of John. And that is just a restatement of what John said earlier in several places:

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)"







What is written is written so we may believe, not that we will believe.

That is why you missed out how Jesus came to man, but they did not receive Him. ( this world)

But the ones who did receive Him, are empowered ( enabled as Apostle Paul was chosen by God and nobody chose themselves) by the Lord Jesus, as they are not led by their own will or by any will of man, they are led by the will of God to be born of God.



John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
 
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