Noahs Ark- What you should know.

[John]

This is gonna be another one of those long thread with plenty of info ( See The GAP Theory thread) Feel free to follow along

Please note, i have a lot of research to do, i will post sources after i am finished with it.


The Word

The Bible itself claims to be Word of God. It makes this claim over 3,000 times. Such a statement seems arrogant to some people, but it is either true or not true.

The Bible stands far above all other books, being the worlds most popular book but also the most outlawed. It was written like no other book---more than 40 authors spanning more than a thousand years--yet it all fits together to point to the most influential person to ever live: Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Hundreds of prophesies were accurately fulfilled in His life, death, and resurrection.

Most people agree with the teachings of Jesus, but fewer accept His identity. Why is this? People are fond of some portions and discard others. "I believe he was a good teacher, but i don't believe he was actually God." This is not Christianity.

Just think -- we can only see at all because Gos first said , " let there be light," yet the same God who used words to construct the universe also used words to construct scripture. The words of Genesis say that God directed Noah to build a vessel in order to survive a worldwide flood. Both Jesus and Peter confirm this account in the New testament.

 

[John]

Acceptance

Just as some people cannot accept Jesus as the creator and savior of the world, others cannot accept that the Bible is actually inspired by God---Completely.

Gods word, the Bible, has been attacked for thousands of years. The Romans tried to eradicate it, and religious leaders during the dark ages tried to hide it from the public. There are many today who are still trying to eliminate it or make it out to be full of errors (which is another way of eliminating it)

A specific area of attack is the account of Noah and the flood. It is undeniably a global flood according to the bible, and it best explains the fossils imprisoned in rock layers the world over. Yet skeptics clamor, "there could never have been a worldwide flood, and Noah could never fit all the animals on board".

The account of a universal flood is not a weak point in the Bible. It is exactly the opposite. It is a focal point in our understanding of biology, geology, and the history of civilizations. In fact, if it were not for the flood, we would know very little about dinosaurs. Man would have killed them off without a trace, leaving legends but not fossils.

It is only in the past 200 years that Christians have begun to be swayed by secular ideals and have retreated to the ideal of a local flood, as if embarrassed that the Bible tells the story. Instead, the Bible gives the real history of the earth, and we should proclaim is more strongly than ever. Good science depends on it.

Next time you walk down the road, just think, you are probably walking on layers of sediment laid down by the Flood. Not only did it happen like the Bible says, but it i also extremely relevant to our lives today. God really did judge the earth, and there is another judgment coming.

 

[John]

Destruction

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. But Noah found grace i the eyes of the Lord Gen 6:5-8

These verses speak for themselves. As a result of mans wickedness, God sent judgment on all mankind. As harsh as the destruction was, no living person was without excuse. God also used the flood to separate and to preserve those who believed in him from those who did not. Throughout history and throughout the Bible, this cycle has taken place time after time: separation, purification, judgment and redemption.

Without God and without a true knowledge and understanding of scripture, which provides the rye history of the world, man is doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Every human being on the fave of the earth had turned after the wickedness in their own hearts, but Noah because of his righteousness before God, was spared from Gods judgment, along with his family. The vessel of Gods salvation for Noah and his Family was the Ark.

 

[John]

Flood legends

Stories very similar to the Biblical flood are found all over the world -- from the epic of Gilgamesh in ancient Mesopotamia to the Hawaiian Nu-u that saved his family from a global flood by building a great Canoe and filling it with animals.

If a worldwide flood actually happened, we would expect the descendants to remember it. This is exactly what we do find -- some stories strikingly similar to Genesis, others only a distorted recollection of the event. In fact, there are so many stories of a flood catastrophe in so many culture that the element of truth is undeniable.

Here I've compiled a short list.

Bablonia
Persia
Syria
Asia Minor
Greece
Egypt
Italy
Lithuania
Russia
China
India
Cree (Canada)
Cherokee (US)
Papagoa (Mexico)
Aztecs (Mexico) Peru
Leeward Islands
Fiji Islands
Hawaii

All the above have stories in their culture that are nearly 90% identical to the Genesis flood.

 

[Blazin Bones]

I will Unlock this topic but move it to a more suitable place such as Apologetics. This thread is a defense for the Biblical history of the flood and that is exactly what Apologetics is for.

 

[John]

O, thanks Tim, : I lost all my research on my old hard drive, I will start were i left off soon.

 

[platos_cave]

Flood legends
Stories very similar to the Biblical flood are found all over the world -- from the epic of Gilgamesh in ancient Mesopotamia to the Hawaiian Nu-u that saved his family from a global flood by building a great Canoe and filling it with animals.

You'll have to source the information about the Hawaiian myth.

If a worldwide flood actually happened, we would expect the descendants to remember it. This is exactly what we do find -- some stories strikingly similar to Genesis, others only a distorted recollection of the event. In fact, there are so many stories of a flood catastrophe in so many culture that the element of truth is undeniable.

No, that's an ad hoc explanation. Most, if not all, human civilization takes place near great bodies of water. Bodies of water, including rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. flood all the time. Hawaii? It's an island, dude...it's surrounded by water.

In most of the mythos which parallel biblical events, they're similar because they are in the same area and many cultures borrow mythology from each other (Roman from Greek, for example, or Sumerian to Babylonian to Hebrew).

Besides, you can't jump at a similarity and proclaim truth especially when you have no evidence that such a flood occurred at all.

 

[John]

Besides, you can't jump at a similarity and proclaim truth especially when you have no evidence that such a flood occurred at all.

I could use the same argument and say Comparative anatomy does not lend any evidence to evolution, they were just designed that way because it works, but you can't accept that :wink:

 

[platos_cave]

I could use the same argument and say Comparative anatomy does not lend any evidence to evolution, they were just designed that way because it works, but you can't accept that :wink:

Comparative anatomy only supports the concepts of evolution. Good to know that you are dealing with the entirety of my post.

 

[John]

Good to know that you are dealing with the entirety of my post.

*rolls eyes*

No, that's an ad hoc explanation. Most, if not all, human civilization takes place near great bodies of water. Bodies of water, including rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. flood all the time. Hawaii? It's an island, dude...it's surrounded by water.

This is just you whining, all those stories can easily support a global flood, you just don't want/like that ideal

In most of the mythos which parallel biblical events, they're similar because they are in the same area and many cultures borrow mythology from each other (Roman from Greek, for example, or Sumerian to Babylonian to Hebrew).

Hawaii and Egypt in the same area? True that some cultures borrow from others but once again they could be authentic, you just want to rule that possibility out because it does not adhere to your world view.

 

[platos_cave]

This is just you whining, all those stories can easily support a global flood, you just don't want/like that ideal.

How do they support a global flood? They support floods, which are common enough events. You're making a mountain out of a molehill with mythology.

Hawaii and Egypt in the same area? True that some cultures borrow from others but once again they could be authentic, you just want to rule that possibility out because it does not adhere to your world view.

No, it doesn't adhere to reality, which shows absolutely no evidence for a global flood.

I requested you source the hawaiian myth.

 

[John]

How do they support a global flood? They support floods, which are common enough events. You're making a mountain out of a molehill with mythology.

Their stories are too similar and to coincidental IMHO.

No, it doesn't adhere to reality, which shows absolutely no evidence for a global flood.

75% sedimentary rock coverage. Hmmm how did that sediment come to be in the first place a flood best supports that.

I requested you source the hawaiian myth.

Digging though my notes hold up.

 

[platos_cave]

Their stories are too similar and to coincidental IMHO.

The simpler explanation doesn't require an impossible global flood.

75% sedimentary rock coverage. Hmmm how did that sediment come to be in the first place a flood best supports that.

Source that information please.

 

[John]

The simpler explanation doesn't require an impossible global flood.

But it does not rule it out either.

Source that information please.

Sedimentary rock is one of the three main rock types (the others being igneous and metamorphic rock). Rock formed from sediments covers 75-80% of the Earth's land area, and includes common types such as chalk, limestone, dolomite, sandstone, conglomerate and shale.[1]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary

 

[platos_cave]

But it does not rule it out either.

No, but there's no reason to think a global flood occurred, so your point is moot.

75% sedimentary rock coverage. Hmmm how did that sediment come to be in the first place a flood best supports that.

So why does a global flood best support 75% sedimentary rock coverage?

 

[John]

No, but there's no reason to think a global flood occurred, so your point is moot.

w/e

So why does a global flood best support 75% sedimentary rock coverage?

How else did it get there? The biggest floods we see today have very little sedimentary deposits, the that would mean that the land bearing the sedimentary rock would once have to have been covered my water, 75-80% of the earth covered in water, hmm that sounds like big flood territory.

 

[platos_cave]

How else did it get there?

You're begging the question.

The biggest floods we see today have very little sedimentary deposits,

And why is that a problem?

the that would mean that the land bearing the sedimentary rock would once have to have been covered my water, 75-80% of the earth covered in water, hmm that sounds like big flood territory.

Why are you assuming that all of the sediment had to be deposited at once and why are you ignoring other methods of the creation of sedimentary deposition?

 

[John]

And why is that a problem?

That rules out small local floods as a means for the mass sedimentary deposits.

Why are you assuming that all of the sediment had to be deposited at once and why are you ignoring other methods of the creation of sedimentary deposition?

1. I am a YEC.
2. Its true that not all of the sediment was laid down by the flood but the vast majority was.


I have a question, ware did all that sediment come from then? I mean some of it is very VERY thick, some of it is made out of animals I.e coal, limestone etc. The layers are best explained by a flood or water activity, but only if it was rapid, seeing as we do not observe large layers in development today its too slow.

 

[platos_cave]

That rules out small local floods as a means for the mass sedimentary deposits.

Why? You are aware that it is established that the Earth has existed for 4.6 billion years and that it has not always looked as it does now and that there have been many catastrophic events as well, right?

1. I am a YEC.
2. Its true that not all of the sediment was laid down by the flood but the vast majority was.

Well you're merely asserting this.

I have a question, ware did all that sediment come from then? I mean some of it is very VERY thick, some of it is made out of animals I.e coal, limestone etc.

Sediment is formed from eroding rocks. What do you mean where did it all come from?

The layers are best explained by a flood or water activity, but only if it was rapid, seeing as we do not observe large layers in development today its too slow.

Dude, we've only been observing geological processes for not much more than three or four hundred years. What are you expecting? Too slow? We're talking about geological ages. The human race has been around for not even a blink of an eye compared to Earth's history.

 

[John]

Why? You are aware that it is established that the Earth has existed for 4.6 billion years and that it has not always looked as it does now and that there have been many catastrophic events as well, right?

Yes and i know that's baloney, 4.6 billions HA! Your right in saying the earth did not always look like it does now, we have no clue what the earth looked like pre-flood. And the only event i can think of would be the flood.

Sediment is formed from eroding rocks. What do you mean where did it all come from?

If we take say a 100 foot thick and 1 mile wide chuck of sedimentary rock, that would take a lot of erosion to build that piece. where did the source come from, the original rock that was eroded? I say the flood caused massive erosion and deposited the layers. The layers are enough evidence to prove a flood.

Dude, we've only been observing geological processes for not much more than three or four hundred years. What are you expecting? Too slow? We're talking about geological ages. The human race has been around for not even a blink of an eye compared to Earth's history.

Actually we have been here 100% of the earths history minus like 5 days, lol

Man lived though the flood and was able to record it. We see cave paintings of man with dinos, i have a replica ica stone showing a man running away from a Trex. Hmmm these artists who drew those paintings were either really high or legit in there depiction. Aslo before the word dinosaur was invented they called them dragons, and almost every culture had reference to dragons.