ObamaCare and You

[Pard]

Forgot to add the very best (literally) part about Obamacare! It requires all the politicians to get stuck on the same crummy plan as us. They of course swept that little nugget under the rug within days of it being released. Not even Fox News would report on it...

 

[Pizzaguy]

Forgot to add the very best (literally) part about Obamacare! It requires all the politicians to get stuck on the same crummy plan as us. They of course swept that little nugget under the rug within days of it being released. Not even Fox News would report on it...

Even IF that goes thru, with their money, they'll hop a (taxpayer funded) flight to anywhere they need to, and get what ever medical care they need.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Are YOU a slug?

» CONFIRMED: CBS Editors Refuse To Release Full Audio Of Obama Hot Mic Recording! - Big Government

(I hope the link works).

This is where I get the idea that I am confident that I know the mind of this creep.

Who knows who he was referring to - I suspect it's ALL who disagree with him. Which would be a pretty large percentage of Americans - including many who voted for him.

The link works, but anyway, this from the link:
People can speculate as to what their motive is, but we suspect that they do not want to jeopardize their White House access leading into campaign season by being the ones to release the audio of His Presidency referring to Americans as “slugs.”

 

[Lewis]

And may I add Nancy Pelosi (the one I believe put in the mandated clause for the health insurance) and Harry Reid. Nothing racist about any of that. They are all Leftists and that's what concerns me the most.

Why was that racist part even mentioned in thee above ?

 

[Pizzaguy]

Why was that racist part even mentioned in thee above ?

Lewis, stop being childish and over sensitive.

He was making a point that he can criticize Pelosi and Reid's role in this without being accused of racism - simple as that.

I was called a "cracker" a few posts ago - did I report the post and go on a childish rant? Bush was compared to an ape and an monkey repeatedly (which, to a christian like myself is an obvious Darwin implication and a pretty low blow) - but did those of us on the right throw a tantrum? No.

Welcome to an ADULT conversation.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Thanks, Pizzaguy, just as you said.

For the record, I'm a Libertarian. A lot of people are of that political philosophy as well and been warning against BIG government for years.

I take equal offense when the likes of me is judged as racist because I oppose Obama's philosophies when I've been sounding the alarm for years when the Clintons were in office --- but nobody listened then and even then because they are white the racist stance would not cross anyone's mind. And the same goes for Pelosi and Reid. True Liberalism is equal an opportunity philosophy --- no prejudice there.

 

[kiwimac]

Ah libertarianism, a political philosophy rooted in Ayn rand's obscene philosophy.

 

[TonkaTim]

Ah libertarianism, a political philosophy rooted in Ayn rand's obscene philosophy.

Ah libertarianism, a political philosophy partially hijacked by those who adhere to Ayn rand's obscene philosophy.(fixed)

The true roots of libertarian & traditional conservative political philosophy stems from the classical liberalism of the Founders, not from the modern hijackers like Trotskyist neocons or the Atheist Objectivism of Rand

 

[tim-from-pa]

Ah libertarianism, a political philosophy rooted in Ayn rand's obscene philosophy.

Yeah, we Americans are obscene to the Traditional Commonwealth, that is to say if one follows the Libertarian ideas of the founding fathers. However, recently this nation's been acting like many of the others, i.e. social programs, punish the rich and a "victimized" group being supported with entitlements at the expense of the working man. Obama is the antithesis of Libertarianism. But a lot of people call that "progress" I guess.

 

[kiwimac]

Considering you pay more per person in health care than the rest of the world and still deliver a much worse service perhaps you might consider you have something to learn from us?

 

[jasoncran]

Considering you pay more per person in health care than the rest of the world and still deliver a much worse service perhaps you might consider you have something to learn from us?

you mean longer waits? or how about quality of service? wait a minute here. i have been on socialised medicine american style in the military, yup, or what about the va? how many vets get great service there? they both ration.

 

[kiwimac]

Ah, a strawman. Perhaps you might like to consider just how many people die in the US because they cannot access the medical help they need but I guess they are less important than having a short wait.

 

[jasoncran]

Ah, a strawman. Perhaps you might like to consider just how many people die in the US because they cannot access the medical help they need but I guess they are less important than having a short wait.

do tell. i lived without insurance for 8 yrs. funny. oh wait a minute something called medicare.

oh let me add the fact that my oldest daughter had this

Hydrocephalus - PubMed Health

she had that shunt break a few yrs back (its the first one she had put in at age 6, that happened in 2008) it cost the state 200k.

so your point is? no hospital that takes medicare can refuse care to the patient. we have these here in my state that are clinics

Treasure Coast Community Health .:Home Page:.

hmm regardles of ability to pay. i live near two of those. i can walk to both. look that one non for profit. so there are those docs that do care.

 

[kiwimac]

Shall I add the testimonies of those who have been failed disastrously by your medical system. Not just one or two but many, many people.

 

[jasoncran]

Shall I add the testimonies of those who have been failed disastrously by your medical system. Not just one or two but many, many people.

i can counter with testimonies of those that got addicted to pain pills while waiting for care in the any socialised mecidine country. a coworker who has family in norway has state that here mil has an archaic pace maker from the first days. or the fact the hospital was nasty when she went there and she got sick from the needles.

or shall i post the multiple failures of the promises of the va with the vets who had sue to get their treatments. yes i know of the failures of my system but your idea isnt really better. why do the canadians and brits that have MONEY come here for treatment? if you systems are so much better?

an honest assestment of both systems. i have been to both worlds the american version of what you say( the military health care is socialised in that theres no competion for better care and cheaper careon the base or in combat)a soldier can select for remote care while on leave or off base or choose to pay for care at some cost to him(agian insurance) if wants too and go to the free market docs for care and in some areas they do.

Socialized vs. Free Market Medical Care

 

[reba]

No medical plan any where or any way will keep people alive. It is the natural order that we die. Whats that old saying the only things for sure are death and taxes..

In the USA the size alone, the number of people, make the bureaucracy just way too big.. What can work in a smaller country can not necessarily work in a large country.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Shall I add the testimonies of those who have been failed disastrously by your medical system. Not just one or two but many, many people.

Well, I have one thing that you don't. I have the Lord to take care of me, and don't need socialized medicine, and the Lord promises to take care of His own. So one has to get right with God and He will find a way.

Besides, who would want your (or even our) medical system? Most of all drugs are just money-making scams. I have a fundamental difference with the medical establishment as they are riddled with error.

I rarely go to a doctor, and when I do it's rather for a diagnoses and their opinion instead of treatment. I'll admit they have hi-tech equipment, that's the only good thing going. Then when I know what I have, I treat myself and my experience shows far better success. I guess the Lord gave me that knowledge, too which is what happens when one trusts in Him.

So you can put the Satanic socialism attitude aide. I'm not a child of this world. It obviously fits for you, but not for me and I want no part of it.

 

[TonkaTim]

Considering you pay more per person in health care than the rest of the world and still deliver a much worse service perhaps you might consider you have something to learn from us?

My dear New Zealander friend,

I'm don't think you understand what American means. It is a mindset, based exclusively on Christian Liberty. Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. - Galatians 5:1

We acknowledge this beginning when our Puritan forefathers gave up everything, risked all including their very lives. They willingly endured great hardships, crossing a great expanse of a sea in small creaky ships to scratch out mere survival in a harsh wilderness, just to worship Christ as freemen at Plymouth Rock. Their trust was solely in God that their endeavor would succeed & prosper.

We as a people have set aside a yearly national feast day to give thanks to God for His Divine Providence, to remember the sacrifices of those who initiated this for us, so we may freely proclaim the blessings of the greater sacrifice Christ made for us all.

This is further evidenced by our founding declarations;

In our first document uniting as a people - a nation, it is stated foremost & clear, "Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely, to advance the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace;" - Articles of Confederation of the United Colonies, May 19 1643
Avalon Project - The Articles of Confederation of the United Colonies of New England; May 19, 1643

In our Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms July 6, 1775 it is stated after establishment of all the injustices of the deprivation of our Christian Liberty "We are reduced to the alternative of chusing an unconditional submission to the tyranny of irritated ministers, or resistance by force. -- The latter is our choice. -- We have counted the cost of this contest, and find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery. -- Honour, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them, if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them.

Our cause is just. Our union is perfect. Our internal resources are great, and, if necessary, foreign assistance is undoubtedly attainable. -- We gratefully acknowledge, as signal instances of the Divine favour towards us, that his Providence would not permit us to be called into this severe controversy, until we were grown up to our present strength, had been previously exercised in warlike operation, and possessed of the means of defending ourselves. With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves.
Avalon Project - Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms

Our Declaration of Independence, our Organic foundational law, declares to the world our rights come from God & no man can deny them - "That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;. These Americans felt so strongly about these principles of Christian liberty they "with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. This document, our law, also makes it a legal requirement to resist bondage - "it is their duty"

At the time of our Independence the rallying cry of our Militias from our pastors to the people was "no King but Christ!"

Our founding national motto on our first great seal was "Obedience to God is resistance to Tyranny":
which is based on Romans 13 where governments "are not a terror to good works, but to the evil". Confirmed again with President Thomas Jefferson letter of agreement with the Danbury Baptist's concern for their Christian Liberty when they state "Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty--that religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals--that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions--that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbors;"

Knowledgeable Americans realize that if we cede the state the power & control of our health, they gain possession of our bodies, which are the rightful possession of our King Christ who "purchased us for a price".

I hope this helps all who live in a dominion, not a free republic, subjects of governments of men, not sovereigns who recognize their government as the subject, not the superior,... understand, when you tell us to be like you, we hear " be entangled again with the yoke of bondage". We understand that if the cost of our liberty is more expensive, we happily pay the difference.