Obedience = blessings

[Wrg1405]

Are Gods blessings, protection, provison and spiritual matters based on our obedience?

Someone my wife and I know has struck up a platonic (non sexual) relationship with a non Christian who she has fallen for and vice verca. She his hoping God will save him.

This poor lady is a widow of 5 years and is 45. Her husband died not long after they adopted a boy. He is a very challenging boy with severe emotional and mental and behavioural issues, particularly toward her. This boys language and threats and violence toward her are shocking. He does attend a special needs school during the week but his behaviour at home never changes.

She does have real issues with Gods love and acceptance to the extent that the trauma of the last 5 years is Gods punishment on her, that's the undertone I have picked up

She has recently been diagnosed with arthritis and has been told that God will not heal her because she is in rebellion as a result of this relationship.

Her thoughts are that even when married she God would not bless her, she wasn't sure if she loved her husband so him dying is her fault. So whether she is rebelling or not she ain't gonna be blessed by God.

So what are your thoughts given my opening paragraph.

 

[Edward]

I think it's true.

 

[dianegcook]

Are Gods blessings, protection, provison and spiritual matters based on our obedience?

Someone my wife and I know has struck up a platonic (non sexual) relationship with a non Christian who she has fallen for and vice verca. She his hoping God will save him.

This poor lady is a widow of 5 years and is 45. Her husband died not long after they adopted a boy. He is a very challenging boy with severe emotional and mental and behavioural issues, particularly toward her. This boys language and threats and violence toward her are shocking. He does attend a special needs school during the week but his behaviour at home never changes.

She does have real issues with Gods love and acceptance to the extent that the trauma of the last 5 years is Gods punishment on her, that's the undertone I have picked up

She has recently been diagnosed with arthritis and has been told that God will not heal her because she is in rebellion as a result of this relationship.

Her thoughts are that even when married she God would not bless her, she wasn't sure if she loved her husband so him dying is her fault. So whether she is rebelling or not she ain't gonna be blessed by God.

So what are your thoughts given my opening paragraph.

Good question...
Hard to say or judge...
The story of Job comes to mind.
Satan loves to mess with God's children, he did nothing wrong.
God always finds a way out for you.
Reminds me of Rom.8:35-39
Shall tribulation separate us for our Love of God?
Distress?
Persecution?
Famine?
Nakedness, or or peril, or sword..
For thy sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter..
What ever we go through, hold on to your faith and hope.
My

 

[for_his_glory]

It seems by what you say this lady might not have a personal relationship with Christ, but knows Him by name only. She needs to be leery about her relationship to this guy and if marriage is being thought of between them then she needs to wait upon the Lord for this guys salvation before she enters into something that will be a disaster to her and may even make the situation with her son even worse if that is possible. I think she needs to work on her relationship with her son first before making any other commitments for if she is a Spiritually born again Christian then she needs to learn how to take spiritual authority over her son as only Jesus can work in him and heal their relationship.

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[Christ_empowered]

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[Wrg1405]

It seems by what you say this lady might not have a personal relationship with Christ, but knows Him by name only. She needs to be leery about her relationship to this guy and if marriage is being thought of between them then she needs to wait upon the Lord for this guys salvation before she enters into something that will be a disaster to her and may even make the situation with her son even worse if that is possible. I think she needs to work on her relationship with her son first before making any other commitments for if she is a Spiritually born again Christian then she needs to learn how to take spiritual authority over her son as only Jesus can work in him and heal their relationship.

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

She does beleive in Jesus and does have a personal relationship with him. She is a cross between Peter and and Thomas. The man concerned seems able to control her adopted son along with other men in our church.

I have seen the way her son reacts to her. I have seen him call her all sorts of names and I mean vile swear words.
I have heard him threaten to kill her, call her a bitch and that's polite (and he has even gone at her with a kinife and he is only 10 years old)

I have to be honest I think it's spiritual, I think it's demonic. I see it in his eyes when he talks about his adopted mum.
Yet I don't see it when he interacts with others, even me.

Being more honest I think that the advice given by people in the church has not helped. They have tried to secularise it, detachment issues, special needs, and as a result this poor boy has been secularised by spending time during the week at a special school who teaches how to behave.

I have got very frustrated because I feel it could be demonic. Yes I agree that psychological issues play a part BUT when you hear a 10 year old boy say "I'm going to kill my bitch of a mum and she is a so and so"

What I do know is that he doesn't want to come to Church because he saw his adopted dads coffin in church.

No wonder his adopted mum is in a mess.

 

[Wrg1405]

She has confessed Jesus, son of God and died and rose again. She doesn't get Jesus loves her and that God loves her as much as he loves Jesus

 

[Christ_empowered]

forgive me for being so judgmental. I know I still struggle with the truth of Christ's love for me (and others).

 

[Wrg1405]

So...I don't think The Lord "will bless your mess," but I don't think you have to make an A+ in obedience before He will smile upon you. If she knows of Christ, but doesn't genuinely know Christ, getting her to heart knowledge would be a major first step. Or...I guess you can't "get her" there, but maybe trying to facilitate it (?).

When we went to pray for her husband be raised she stayed out of the room. She felt that if she was in the room then God would not do it. She was on her knees in the other room. Heart knowledge is the issue the same with most of us. GOD LOVES US AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS

 

[Wrg1405]

forgive me for being so judgmental. I know I still struggle with the truth of Christ's love for me (and others).

My friend. You have nothing to reproach yourself with. I have only given a snapshot. However your insight is not judgemental but is correct she knows Christ, beleives in Christ and it's not sunk in. She feels that God is punishing her

 

[for_his_glory]

She does beleive in Jesus and does have a personal relationship with him. She is a cross between Peter and and Thomas. The man concerned seems able to control her adopted son along with other men in our church.

I have seen the way her son reacts to her. I have seen him call her all sorts of names and I mean vile swear words.
I have heard him threaten to kill her, call her a bitch and that's polite (and he has even gone at her with a kinife and he is only 10 years old)

I have to be honest I think it's spiritual, I think it's demonic. I see it in his eyes when he talks about his adopted mum.
Yet I don't see it when he interacts with others, even me.

Being more honest I think that the advice given by people in the church has not helped. They have tried to secularise it, detachment issues, special needs, and as a result this poor boy has been secularised by spending time during the week at a special school who teaches how to behave.

I have got very frustrated because I feel it could be demonic. Yes I agree that psychological issues play a part BUT when you hear a 10 year old boy say "I'm going to kill my bitch of a mum and she is a so and so"

What I do know is that he doesn't want to come to Church because he saw his adopted dads coffin in church.

No wonder his adopted mum is in a mess.

It does sound very demonic and this child needs to be prayed over by those who have Gods calling and are anointed to do so. The child doesn't need to be present, but to just be prayed over that these demons inside of him have to flee in the name of Jesus. Maybe you could talk to your Pastor about this. I will also pray over this child and command these demons to flee from him in the name of Jesus. There will be peace in the home, amen.

 

[Wrg1405]

forgive me for being so judgmental. I know I still struggle with the truth of Christ's love for me (and others).

And I am the same. I struggle that Jesus loves me. Funny thing is I don't struggle with that for others. I had a gambling problem and felt God didn't love me because of it, yet if I was talking to another person with the same problem I would tell them. that God loves them.

I suffer with SAD and feel a failure before God but If someone said the same to me I'd tell them they are not a failure and God loves then where they are at.

 

[Wrg1405]

It does sound very demonic and this child needs to be prayed over by those who have Gods calling and are anointed to do so. The child doesn't need to be present, but to just be prayed over that these demons inside of him have to flee in the name of Jesus. Maybe you could talk to your Pastor about this. I will also pray over this child and command these demons to flee from him in the name of Jesus. There will be peace in the home, amen.

Amen. Thanks for your prayers.

 

[Wrg1405]

I'm not sure the church today understands the demonic influence in the life of people.

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not sure the church today understands the demonic influence in the life of people.

You are so right as they just do not want to get involved with such things. I have a friend of mine that lives in another State and was having similar problems with her son a few years back and ask if we could pray over him while I was visiting with her sister and two other girlfriends. I'm not boasting by any means, but God gave me the anointing to pray over him and also instructed me to leave the house for a moment so God could show me that of what I was about to deal with as I needed to be prayed up first. When I got up to open the door to go outside it was locked and was not locked by any of us so I know it was that demon trying to stop me. God opened that locked door for in the power of the name of Jesus that demon was not going to have any victories. After showing me what the demon looked like, and it was scary looking, I went back in and started speaking to that demon and cast him out in the name of Jesus as He gave me the power and authority to do so. At that moment I felt that demon leave him and the call of confirmation came when my friend called at that moment and said her son had changed and was very calm. It's something I do not like doing, but if God brings me to it He will see me through it as it is not by my power or strength, but by the power and authority of Jesus who works in me and through me as He gets all the glory, amen.

 

[Malachi]

Are Gods blessings, protection, provison and spiritual matters based on our obedience?

Not under grace.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Not under grace.

Thanks. That clears things up.

 

[iLOVE]

Obedience = Commanded Blessings of Deuteronomy 28