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Observations on the Contemporary Church by Charles Swindol

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Tomlane

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CHARLES R. SWINDOLL, Pastor of the First Evangelical Free Church
of Fullerton, California.

(From his nationally known daily radio broadcast, Insight For Living,
Study in I Timothy and published in the Bible Study Guide which gives
a survey of this Epistle.)

'Some Observations on the Contemporary Church.

So we may better understand I Timothy's relevance to our twentieth century
churches, let's make some pointed observations about today's
church in general. It should be to our chagrin that the following
characterize most of our churches:

A. A Deeper Commitment to Tradition Than to Scripture. Many
people seem to think that whatever has been done a certain way for a
long time must be right. So, rather than test its alleged viability against
the canon of Scripture ,they keep right on doing and believing what they
always have. Churches that do this have elevated tradition over the
Bible. They need to return to a serious reconsideration of their traditions
in light of the clear instruction of Scripture.

B. A Greater Concern for Being Successful According to the World's
Standards Rather Than by God's Standards. Today, success in the
church is often measured by such externals as the number of people in
the congregation, the variety of programs, the size and architecture of
the buildings, the number of people who have been saved through
evangelistic thrusts, and the size of the budget. 'Bigger is better and
biggest is best' appears to be the motto. However, some of the most
successful ministries are not great in size. Besides, nowhere does the
New Testament teach or imply that size is the measure of success. The
biblical criteria of success focus primarily on internals, for when they
are right, the right actions will follow.
C.A Greater Degree of Confusion and Uncertainty Even Though It's
Larger Than Ever in History. Although there are more Christians in the
world today than ever before, there is also less decisiveness and
confidence concerning the Christian church's purpose and role in the
world. We need to get back to the basics of understanding, applying, and
proclaiming God's infallible Word. Then, and only then, will the church
regain clarity of mission and the power and courage to carry it out.

D. A Greater Polarization by Tight Denominational Ties Rather Than
Unification in Love. Three times in the Gospel of John (17:21, 22, 23),
Jesus prayed to the Father that those who would compose His church
(cf. 17:20) would be perfected in unity. Christ's consuming desire was
that Christians everywhere would form a strong bond together in love
under His authority. In our day, however, many Christians are more
loyal to their denomination or local church than they are to the
universal Body of Christ. Most contemporary churches are marked by
rigidity and exclusivity instead of an attitude of love and concern
toward all Christians - regardless of their denominational ties or
church affiliations. Again we can see the necessity of paying closer
attention to God's original blueprint for His church and much less
attention to human revisions, additions, and deletions.'

Compiled and Arranged by Jack W. Langford
 
It would seem to me Swindoll believes in unity but since he is a member of the First Evangelical Free Church
of Fullerton, California that would put him at odds with God's word about division within the body of Christ.

Just like Mr. Swidoll stated:
A Deeper Commitment to Tradition Than to Scripture. Many
people seem to think that whatever has been done a certain way for a
long time must be right.

I always thought when a person knows better and doesn't do it that makes it sin.

James 4:17  Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Perhaps even a hypocrite?

Tomlane
 
There is no sin or hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Swindoll.
 
Free said:
There is no sin or hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Swindoll.

Free, Thank you Free for your opinion. I'm wondering if you can back up your opinion with scripture?

Tomlane
 
Tomlane said:
Free said:
There is no sin or hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Swindoll.

Free, Thank you Free for your opinion. I'm wondering if you can back up your opinion with scripture?
Tomlane

MY COMMENTS: To bring you up to date, Chuck Swindoll resigned as pastor of the Fullerton church over 5 years ago to assume the presidency of Dallas Theological Seminary.

To Tomlane: How does being the pastor of the First Evangelical Church of Fullerton, CA, (formerly) make him, and the church, hold to tradition rather than the Scriptures?
 
In the beginning of the Church, there were no dominations. All Churches were bound by the same principles, and all being members of one body. With the Reformation denationalization began, Luther, Calvin, Arminius, and others all had different opinions on basic Biblical doctrines. As of today there are hundreds of denominations, and sub-denominations.

Unfortunately like Humpty Dumpty, you could never put them all together again. Unless you want to remove the Bible, and Scripture from the picture, and replace it with experiential occurrence. This to a great degree has been done by the Wesleyan movement in the Church, and has unfortunately! caused greater divisions than before.

Some thought years ago; it was the Churches responsibility to win the World, but instead the World won the Church. We are living in the times prophesied in the Bible, now we await the only one who can put it all together again, the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Tomlane said:
Free said:
There is no sin or hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Swindoll.

Free, Thank you Free for your opinion. I'm wondering if you can back up your opinion with scripture?

Tomlane
The last time you wanted me to provide Scripture, I provided plenty, to which you have yet to respond despite my many posts asking you to do so. So really, it's pointless.

Regardless, you merely gave your opinion of where Mr Swindoll sits in relation to Scripture, so we are both just comparing opinions.


samuel said:
In the beginning of the Church, there were no dominations. All Churches were bound by the same principles, and all being members of one body. With the Reformation denationalization began, Luther, Calvin, Arminius, and others all had different opinions on basic Biblical doctrines. As of today there are hundreds of denominations, and sub-denominations.
Incorrect.

1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ."

It all started a long time ago.
 
I Probably should have excepted Corinth. But the problem there was more in following leaders, than divisive doctrine. Of course every leader will have a little different opinion, but not so much in completely altering the basic doctrines.

I still give the reformation, the greater credit for so much denominational difference. You could DIE! for not agreeing with Calvin, and also Luther, many did. At least we have graduated beyond that, its mostly just a little rock throwing these days.
 
Maybe I should have included the passage of Paul rebuking Peter for teaching wrong doctrine. People follow different people because they are teaching different things.

It wasn't just the Protestants who were accusing others of heresy and executing them either. But, yes, I do know what you are saying.
 
There is only one church that counts.

Heb 12:22-24

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
KJV

All other churches on earth and visible are like the sons of Katurah, the last wife of Abraham. They received gifts and were sent to the east. They had no birthright. They weren't despised. God had a place for them. They even show up in Revelation, the kings from the east.

It is the sanctuary that is above that the beast of Rev13 blasphemes. The beast blasphemes against the voice/name of God speaking to us through the blood of sprinkling on the ark of the covenant.

Rev 13:6

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
KJV

Joe
 
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