Oh my friends oh my friends

[Jethro Bodine]

But I hate it when people get emotional, refuse to pay attention, use ad hominem attacks and the like.

What cooks my goose is when I legitimately and successfully challenge someone's false belief but they insist on sticking with what you have shown them can not possibly be true.

Not necessarily directed at the quoted poster.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Here are some images (memes) that highlight some logical fallacies to avoid in debates, though they don't cover all of them:View attachment 8430 View attachment 8431
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What gets me is when you are deemed guilty of unfair argumentation when you point these particular fouls out to your opponent.

 

[reba]

Oh yeah, but please don't use those images in actual debates. I posted them because it puts some fallacies in a way that is easy to understand, but using the images in actual debates would probably make things more heated. Just explain why someone's reasoning is wrong in a nice way.

thank you very much... very helpful

 

[reba]

Now in English please.

Quests pictures helped a lot

 

[Wrg1405]

I hope you don't think I did that to you. I'm pretty sure I did not do that to you.
I reserve those kinds of comments to those who are, according to my own personal discernment (which I am entitled to), are really doing that.....except the last one. I don't think I've ever used that. To me it's not a good argument. I don't believe there is a 'right' Bible. I just think some are better than others.

No I wasn't having a dig at you. I just noticed that sometimes we can come across in a way that we did not intend to or even did intend to. I responded in a way last night that I should not have done.

Anyway the reason I have 5 bibles is firstly to cross check and use which ever one is better to use given the circumstances I'm using it for.

Have a good day.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

He reserves all his disagreements for me.

(No really, he does.)

That's Jethro, always looking for a way to get a "like".

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

what the heck is a logical fallacy

OK i googled it..
n philosophy, a formal fallacy (also called logical fallacy) is a pattern of reasoning rendered invalid by a flaw in its logical structure that can neatly be expressed in a standard logic system, for example propositional logic. An argument that is formally fallacious is always considered wrong.

O boy that is a lot of help..

A logical fallacy is someone trying to tell you that non-OSAS is correct.

 

[JohnDB]

A logical fallacy is someone trying to tell you that non-OSAS is correct.

Ahem..,.you gonna get Reba after you.

It's the ex moderator in me coming out.

People have deeply held beliefs for a reason. And for whatever reason they believe that these beliefs keep them safe from the abyss.

And from my experience the rationale behind them is a person's perception instead of reality and facts.

What's acceptable to one person isn't acceptable to another. Some of our theologies have been debated for centuries. Both sides. Neither side budging.

But we all agree on a personal Savior who deals with us on a personal level.
Hermeneutics is a blend of art and science. Each one using a blend that they like. Each one unique as the individual is unique.

You can understand a person by the stories and theologies they believe and like the most. And I like people watching.

 

[Hospes]

Now in English please.

Stupid thinkin'.

Side note: wonderful logic book: Introduction to Logic by Irving Copi. (There is good reason it has 13+ editions.)

 

[Mike]

Wrg1405 I've been involved at different levels for a number of years, and this is what I've observed. People who join boards like CFnet are generally not passive about their faith. They feel strongly about their beliefs, and so they do tend to get emotionally involved when discussing matters of faith. So, there's that.

It can be disconcerting to witness such disagreement among believers. We sometimes save our worst words for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I resolved long ago to take a different approach and build others up rather than tear them down. Not that debate is bad, but lines can be crossed even when you don't intend to cross them.

I see amazing good in you, and I really hope you'll be a presence here on CFnet for a long time. We need members like you to fulfill the mission of this site. Humble, authentic Christians hold a special place in my heart. I can grow far more from someone baring their struggles and weaknesses than I can from someone who claims to be on top of everything, and I've been blessed by you.

Stat here. Be the light you are.

 

[Wrg1405]

Wrg1405 I've been involved at different levels for a number of years, and this is what I've observed. People who join boards like CFnet are generally not passive about their faith. They feel strongly about their beliefs, and so they do tend to get emotionally involved when discussing matters of faith. So, there's that.

It can be disconcerting to witness such disagreement among believers. We sometimes save our worst words for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I resolved long ago to take a different approach and build others up rather than tear them down. Not that debate is bad, but lines can be crossed even when you don't intend to cross them.

I see amazing good in you, and I really hope you'll be a presence here on CFnet for a long time. We need members like you to fulfill the mission of this site. Humble, authentic Christians hold a special place in my heart. I can grow far more from someone baring their struggles and weaknesses than I can from someone who claims to be on top of everything, and I've been blessed by you.

Stat here. Be the light you are.

I find it so disconcerting when believers disagree. It does make me doubt if at times what I believe is true in terms of theology, my theological thinking based on what I have studied rather than believe what I'm told. I do understand that emotions will play a part because in sense emotions do play a part in what we think and believe.

What I find more disconcerting though is how we express our differences, when emotions get in the way then logical debate goes out the window, emotions then kick in.

Thankfully on this forum I have never heard anyone say "Your belief is sending people to hell" I have been told that because I don't beleive baptism saves but Christ does.

Anyway I just want to thank for your kind words in your last paragraph. I,don't see good in myself but I do see it in others and just so you know you lot are stuck with me, warts and all.

God bless you my friend.

 

[Corn Pop]

I find it so disconcerting when believers disagree. It does make me doubt if at times what I believe is true in terms of theology, my theological thinking based on what I have studied rather than believe what I'm told. I do understand that emotions will play a part because in sense emotions do play a part in what we think and believe.

What I find more disconcerting though is how we express our differences, when emotions get in the way then logical debate goes out the window, emotions then kick in.

Thankfully on this forum I have never heard anyone say "Your belief is sending people to hell" I have been told that because I don't beleive baptism saves but Christ does.

Anyway I just want to thank for your kind words in your last paragraph. I,don't see good in myself but I do see it in others and just so you know you lot are stuck with me, warts and all.

God bless you my friend.

It is baptism in Christ. Water does not save. It says to be baptised in the name of Christ, not the water of Christ.

 

[Wrg1405]

It is baptism in Christ. Water does not save. It says to be baptised in the name of Christ, not the water of Christ.

That is what I believe, but I have been told because I believe that then if I express that then I'm sending many people to hell and I'm leading them there. I even had one person tell me when I protested their view with reference to the thief on the cross that he was saved because he believed in Jesus they said "He would have been baptised by John the Baptist and quoted John 3:5 so the thief would have been baptised.

I thought really? A man hanging on a cross because of his crime, if he had been baptised why is he hanging on the cross next to Jesus?

 

[Corn Pop]

That is what I believe, but I have been told because I believe that then if I express that then I'm sending many people to hell and I'm leading them there. I even had one person tell me when I protested their view with reference to the thief on the cross that he was saved because he believed in Jesus they said "He would have been baptised by John the Baptist and quoted John 3:5 so the thief would have been baptised.

I thought really? A man hanging on a cross because of his crime, if he had been baptised why is he hanging on the cross next to Jesus?

Anyone who calls on his name will be saved.
Go be baptised in the name of Christ.

Cirrumcission of the heart.

I become less he becomes greator.

Thief on the cross.

Your faith has healed you.

Abraham walked in faith.

No mention of Jesus water baptising anyone.

 

[JohnDB]

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[Corn Pop]

The diciples were all together in a house when they recieved the Holy Spirit, they were not down the river dunking each other in water.

I just find it amazing with the amount of hard facts and proof in the bible some still believe you need water to be saved and/or receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not even baptise John back. If it was important enough there would be reference to water baptism after John, but theres not, only baptism of believing and having faith in Jesus Christ.