[__ Science __ ] Old Earth vs. Young Earth

[Rodger]

For many hundreds of years, Old Earth and Young Earth views have been debated back and forth. I have NO expectations of that paradox being solved here, however it can be a stimulating topic. It is also a topic that requires an answer as it usually plays a part in trying to lead a lost person to Christ.

Old Earth and Young Earth represent differing interpretations of the biblical creation account surrounding the science that has come forward in the past 100 years concerning "Dinasour" fossils.

Old Earth sees vast amounts of time spanning billions of years. Various scientific dating methods, and archeology and geographical evidence place the age of the earth around 4.5 billion years and the age of the universe around 14.6 billion years.

However, Young Earth other contends for a timeline of only around Six to Ten thousand years since the universe’s origin based on genealogy records in the Bible. .

The hinge point is how the “days” in Genesis are understood, whether as literal 24-hour days or extended geological periods.

To be clear, the Hebrew word “yom” can refer to DAY or it can refer to an AGE or ERA.

The options to solve the apparent conflict are as follows:
1. the Bible is wrong,
2. the Bible is being interpreted incorrectly, or the
3. scientific data is being interpreted incorrectly.
4. There was a Creation before Genesis 1:1

Neither old earth creationism nor young earth creationism teaches that the Bible is wrong. Generally speaking, both old earth and young earth creationists believe in the inspiration, inerrancy, and authority of God’s Word.

Now if you believe that the Young Earth position is the right one, then you "must" also accept as a fact, that Adam and Eve lived with dinosaurs and that Noah had them on the Ark even though there is NO Biblical record of either one.

What say YOU?

 

[hawkman]

Was there people and dinosaurs alive at the same time , lots of evidence points to yes they were .

Ancient Dinosaur Depictions | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

 

[Free]

For many hundreds of years, Old Earth and Young Earth views have been debated back and forth. I have NO expectations of that paradox being solved here, however it can be a stimulating topic. It is also a topic that requires an answer as it usually plays a part in trying to lead a lost person to Christ.

Old Earth and Young Earth represent differing interpretations of the biblical creation account surrounding the science that has come forward in the past 100 years concerning "Dinasour" fossils.

Old Earth sees vast amounts of time spanning billions of years. Various scientific dating methods, and archeology and geographical evidence place the age of the earth around 4.5 billion years and the age of the universe around 14.6 billion years.

However, Young Earth other contends for a timeline of only around Six to Ten thousand years since the universe’s origin based on genealogy records in the Bible. .

The hinge point is how the “days” in Genesis are understood, whether as literal 24-hour days or extended geological periods.

To be clear, the Hebrew word “yom” can refer to DAY or it can refer to an AGE or ERA.

The options to solve the apparent conflict are as follows:
1. the Bible is wrong,
2. the Bible is being interpreted incorrectly, or the
3. scientific data is being interpreted incorrectly.
4. There was a Creation before Genesis 1:1

Neither old earth creationism nor young earth creationism teaches that the Bible is wrong. Generally speaking, both old earth and young earth creationists believe in the inspiration, inerrancy, and authority of God’s Word.

Now if you believe that the Young Earth position is the right one, then you "must" also accept as a fact, that Adam and Eve lived with dinosaurs and that Noah had them on the Ark even though there is NO Biblical record of either one.

What say YOU?

The Old Earth position can also be argued from a literal seven-day week, 24-hour day position, so it isn't just on the meaning of "day." It's a matter of what Gen. 1:1 is saying and when the first day of creation began.

 

[Rodger]

The Old Earth position can also be argued from a literal seven-day week, 24-hour day position, so it isn't just on the meaning of "day." It's a matter of what Gen. 1:1 is saying and when the first day of creation began.

Agreed.

I think it’s helpful to understand that the question “how old is the earth?” is not something directly answered in Scripture but rather deduced from several factors such as ...........
(1) Genesis 1:1 is not the actual act of creation but rather a summary of or title over Genesis 1:2-2:3;
(2) the creation week of Genesis 1:2-2:3 is referring to the act of creation itself;
(3) each “day” (Heb. yom) of the creation week is referring to an 24-hour period of time
(4) an old-earth geology would entail macroevolution, hominids, and animal death before the Fall
(5) the approximate age of the earth can be reconstructed backward from the genealogical time-

 

[Rodger]

Was there people and dinosaurs alive at the same time , lots of evidence points to yes they were .

Ancient Dinosaur Depictions | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

From what I saw on the site you posted.....I see NO evidence there to prove there were dinosaurs at the same time.

Maybe I missed something.

Now, I am not taking a position here, only asking questions for others to state why they believe what they believe.

Do you, since there is NO Biblical evidence of Adam and Eve living with dinosaurs, is that your personal position?

 

[hawkman]

Maybe I missed something.

Could be . Someone drew on the rocks figures that looked just like dinosaurs , coincidence or a great imagination maybe ?
How about a mosaic dinosaur depiction .

The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

o you, since there is NO Biblical evidence of Adam and Eve living with dinosaurs, is that your personal position?

But is there Biblical evidence of dinosaurs ? Could be .

Biblical Evidence | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

 

[hawkman]

 

[follower]

I see NO evidence there to prove there were dinosaurs at the same time.

Maybe I missed something.

Maybe missed what the Creator Says in His Word Unchanging.
Adam was created to reproduce after his own kind. (man begets man).
Adam names all the animals.
Dinosaurs (or lizards/crocidles/agitators) were created to reproduce after their own kind . (each begets itself/same as).
Adam named all the dinosaurs.
How could Adam name them if they did not alive at the same time ?
Yahweh Says Yahweh Created All things simple. It twas man/men/mankind who came up with distracting ideas.

 

[Free]

Agreed.

I think it’s helpful to understand that the question “how old is the earth?” is not something directly answered in Scripture but rather deduced from several factors such as ...........
(1) Genesis 1:1 is not the actual act of creation but rather a summary of or title over Genesis 1:2-2:3;

Or Gen. 1:1 is the actual initial act of creation, aka the "Big Bang."

(2) the creation week of Genesis 1:2-2:3 is referring to the act of creation itself;

Or Gen. 1:2-31 gives further acts of creation post "Big Bang."

(4) an old-earth geology would entail macroevolution, hominids, and animal death before the Fall

Not necessarily. A very long time could have passed between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2. It could also be that the 24-hour days, if that's what they are, could have been separated by very lengthy periods of time, or they could have been made a literal seven day week closer to the middle or end of creation.

There are a number of ways of looking at things, while still remaining true to Scripture.

 

[Rodger]

Or Gen. 1:1 is the actual initial act of creation, aka the "Big Bang."


Or Gen. 1:2-31 gives further acts of creation post "Big Bang."


Not necessarily. A very long time could have passed between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2. It could also be that the 24-hour days, if that's what they are, could have been separated by very lengthy periods of time, or they could have been made a literal seven day week closer to the middle or end of creation.

There are a number of ways of looking at things, while still remaining true to Scripture.

That is exactly what I said in post #4. Thanks.

 

[Rodger]

Maybe missed what the Creator Says in His Word Unchanging.
Adam was created to reproduce after his own kind. (man begets man).
Adam names all the animals.
Dinosaurs (or lizards/crocidles/agitators) were created to reproduce after their own kind . (each begets itself/same as).
Adam named all the dinosaurs.
How could Adam name them if they did not alive at the same time ?
Yahweh Says Yahweh Created All things simple. It twas man/men/mankind who came up with distracting ideas.

If what you are suggesting is the case....then why is there NO record anywhere in history of a name for the animals Adam named.

The name "Dinasaur" did not even exist until 1841.

The name of Megalosaurus, was the first dinosaur to be formally named in 1824, and was initially conceived as a gigantic lizard.

Listen......I am not arguing a specific point here. I am only seeking some answers that make better sense than..........."Its in the Bible and you must take it by faith".

 

[Rodger]

Could be . Someone drew on the rocks figures that looked just like dinosaurs , coincidence or a great imagination maybe ?
How about a mosaic dinosaur depiction .

The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

But is there Biblical evidence of dinosaurs ? Could be .

Biblical Evidence | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

Nope, there is not!

The Bible does not mention dinosaurs, and it never actually uses the word dinosaur.

Also.....there is NO Bible record of dinosaurs living along side Adam and Eve.

 

[Rodger]

Could be . Someone drew on the rocks figures that looked just like dinosaurs , coincidence or a great imagination maybe ?
How about a mosaic dinosaur depiction .

The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

But is there Biblical evidence of dinosaurs ? Could be .

Biblical Evidence | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

Great imagination seems good to me.

Nope. No record is the Bible. There are two Hebrew words....Levithan and Behemoth.

In Job 40, we find the word "Behemoth" and the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. Most scholars believe that to be an elephant or hippopotamus.

Leviathan is defined as a "sea creature". Jonah was eaten by a whale/big fish...Leviathan.

 

[hawkman]

The Bible does not mention dinosaurs, and it never actually uses the word dinosaur.

Ok .

In Job 40, we find the word "Behemoth" and the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. Most scholars believe that to be an elephant or hippopotamus.

Problem with an elephant or the hippo is the size of the tail , "He moveth his tail like a cedar " Are dinosaurs not historical creatures ! ? Watch the video in post #7 , you could learn something .


15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Great imagination seems good to me.

Have you decided dinosaurs did not exist ?

 

[Free]

That is exactly what I said in post #4. Thanks.

No, it isn’t. It seems you did not understand the points I made.

 

[Rodger]

Ok .

Problem with an elephant or the hippo is the size of the tail , "He moveth his tail like a cedar " Are dinosaurs not historical creatures ! ? Watch the video in post #7 , you could learn something .
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15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Have you decided dinosaurs did not exist ?

No sir, I am saying exactly the opposite. The fossils and bones, and skeletons prove their existence. That is not the question posed.

The question was, how do you reconcile the fact of their existence with the Biblical genealogical record of 6000 year old creation.

If you are saying that the "Behemoth" that Job described was a dinosaur, OK with me.

All I am saying is that there is no Bible record of a dinosaur living at the time of Adam and Eve.
There is also no Bible record of any dinosaurs on the Ark.

So, did they live before Genesis 1:1 or did they live along side of Adam and Eve, Seth, Methuselah etc.

 

[hawkman]

If you are saying that the "Behemoth" that Job described was a dinosaur, OK with me.

So you do agree with me there were dinosaurs in Job's time ?

 

[Rodger]

So you do agree with me there were dinosaurs in Job's time ?

Ya know...I have observed that you have a real problem of saying what others do not say!

My dear friend, I actually said...........
"If you are saying that the "Behemoth" that Job described was a dinosaur, OK with me.

All I am saying is that there is no Bible record of a dinosaur living at the time of Adam and Eve.
There is also no Bible record of any dinosaurs on the Ark.

So, did they live before Genesis 1:1 or did they live along side of Adam and Eve, Seth, Methuselah etc"

How do you get......"So you do agree with me there were dinosaurs in Job's time ?"

Maybe it is my fault for not being clearer.
IF YOU choose to believe that the patriarchs, Adam, Eve, Methuselah, Seth, and so on, lived with dinosaurs, which Job called Behemoths. OK. That is your opinion, but it is not in the Bible and that is not saying I agree with you.

 

[hawkman]

Ya know...I have observed that you have a real problem of saying what others do not say!

My dear friend, I actually said...........
"If you are saying that the "Behemoth" that Job described was a dinosaur, OK with me.

All I am saying is that there is no Bible record of a dinosaur living at the time of Adam and Eve.
There is also no Bible record of any dinosaurs on the Ark.

So, did they live before Genesis 1:1 or did they live along side of Adam and Eve, Seth, Methuselah etc"

How do you get......"So you do agree with me there were dinosaurs in Job's time ?"

Maybe it is my fault for not being clearer.
IF YOU choose to believe that the patriarchs, Adam, Eve, Methuselah, Seth, and so on, lived with dinosaurs, which Job called Behemoths. OK. That is your opinion, but it is not in the Bible and that is not saying I agree with you.

Ok , I will let you explain the description "tail like a cedar " . Can you ? Hippo ? Elephant ?

 

[Johann!@#]

Ok , I will let you explain the description "tail like a cedar " . Can you ? Hippo ? Elephant ?

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Lol! I see trees, no hippos or elephants--come visit me here in South Africa!

J.