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One Lord, One Faith; the Faith Once for all Given to God's People

Eddie42

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The thread title comes from Eph. 4:5 and Jude 1:3. Where can we find this "one faith" that was once for all delivered to the saints. It was given to the believers in the days of the Apostles, and Jesus made a promise:

"And I tell you, you are Peter[Gk Petros], and on this rock[Gk petra] I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." (Matt 16:18, NRSV)

What was the rock upon which Jesus would build his church, that Hades or death would not prevail against it. I believe Matthew Poole explained it correctly "Thou[Peter] hast made a confession of faith which is a rock, even such a rock as was mentioned Mat 7:25. And thou thyself art a rock, a steady, firm believer...I will build my church. By church is here plainly meant the whole body of believers, who all agree in this one faith. It is observable, that Christ calls it his church, not Peter’s, and saith, I will build, not, thou shalt build."

The writings of Paul in the NT let's us know that divisions had already started during the apostolic age, but the basics of the faith once delivered to the saints, had to exist from the 1st century up until the present for Jesus spoke truth. A list of religious groups shows that early in the 19th century, a great many groups began to appear, and clearly not all can be teaching truth. A list is found here:

After the Protestant Reformation to recover New Testament Christianity, you find the following major denominations in existence prior to 1650: Lutherans, Reformed/Presbyterians, Church of England/Episcopalians and the Baptists. Those were the major Christian denominations leading up to 1776 in the colonies. Notice in the list of religious groups, those that appeared after 1800! There was an explosion of cults and false prophets. It would appear that the faith once delivered to the saints would exist in 1650 and within the major denominations seen in the US by 1776. Do the major denominations in existence in 1776 have basic agreement in the one faith amongst themselves, that were once delivered to the saints? Read the confessions yourself:

Lutheran: https://bookofconcord.org/formula-of-concord-solid-declaration/

Baptist: https://www.apuritansmind.com/creeds-and-confessions/first-london-confession-of-1646/

Presbyterian: https://westminsterstandards.org/westminster-confession-of-faith/

Anglican: http://anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html

If you wish to compare commentaries of differing denominations, they are online as well:

Methodist: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc.html

Baptist: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/geb.html

Presbyterian: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/mpc.html
also https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/mhm.html

Lutheran: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/kpc.html

I learned early in life that that one person in the pulpit, or the one school/college he came from were quite sincere, but sincerely wrong on some important points of Christian faith. My home church used a denominational name existing prior to 1776, BUT, it did not adhere to the Confessions of that denomination from before 1776. My eternal state is too important to me to rely on a single Pastor, teacher or denomination. I will be a Berean, Acts 17:11. How do I know what the Scriptures teach? By looking at the reasoning used by men of the major denominations on the Scriptures.

*The Methodist were a group within the Church of England and they rejected predestination as taught in the 39 Articles of the Church of England, and with this they taught 'free will'. I did not include a confession of Methodists above because they were just becoming a denomination of their own in 1776. But, I included the Commentary by the Methodist Adam Clarke because he is a well respected man of God and scholar and I always read his views when I am researching a point and I often get great insight and understanding from him.
 
The commentary I am semi familiar with is this one Matthew Henry's Complete Commentary on the Bible .
I think with most of us that is our first commentary. The Baptist John Gill can be a bit wordy at times in his commentary, but he was an expert on the Jewish writings and often includes their comments. John Gill was in the same church that Charles H. Spurgeon Pastored later.

The commentary by the Puritan Matthew Poole I find is excellent and so often I find answers to questions thought to be more modern in thought, or from the skeptics. Poole was quite anti "Papacy" and he was known for his arguments against their teachings and you'll find that referenced at times. One place is in Phil. 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ..."

The Adam Clarke commentary is excellent and I find it very helpful and with great outlook at times. He was Methodist, so I do not agree with his theology, but he still is tops on so much. A couple hundred years ago, the Presbyterians, Baptists and Methodists did not use musical instruments in the worship. Dr. Clarke has a very interesting discussion on that when he comments on Amos 6:5.

The commentaries I've mentioned can be found free with 'theword.net' software as well as 'e-sword.net'. There are 117 commentaries free online at: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng.html

You'll find Calvinists, Arminian and Dispensational writers among the commentaries.
 
The Baptist John Gill can be a bit wordy at times in his commentary, but he was an expert on the Jewish writings and often includes their comments. John Gill was in the same church that Charles H. Spurgeon Pastored later.
Yes , I have read some of John Gill's commentary also .
The Adam Clarke commentary is excellent and I find it very helpful and with great outlook at times. He was Methodist, so I do not agree with his theology, but he still is tops on so much. A couple hundred years ago, the Presbyterians, Baptists and Methodists did not use musical instruments in the worship. Dr. Clarke has a very interesting discussion on that when he comments on Amos 6:5.
Do you agree with what Adam Clarke has to say about Amos 6:5 ?
The commentaries I've mentioned can be found free with 'theword.net' software as well as 'e-sword.net'. There are 117 commentaries free online at: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng.html
Thanks for the link , I will use this for study .
 
Yes , I have read some of John Gill's commentary also .

Do you agree with what Adam Clarke has to say about Amos 6:5 ?

Thanks for the link , I will use this for study .

I found Adam Clarke's comments on Amos 6:5 interesting, but I do not follow his reasoning. I felt he is reading too much into Amos 6:5 and then goes to an unusual translation of 2 Chron. 29:25, and I try to avoid 'cherry picking' a translation to support a view. I had not until recent years though, been aware of the point that it was David introduced the musical instruments into the Old Covenant worship and it is not instructed by the LORD in the law of Moses. Yet, I do find 2 Chron. 29:25 to indicate it was at the command of the LORD.

Yet, I try to stay close to the commands of Jesus Christ as New Covenant believer, so I follow ideally the 'Principle of Regulative Worship' for Christian worship. God instructed Israel in following the law of the Old Covenant "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it." Dt. 12:32; I believe the same holds to when observing Christ's law in the New Covenant. Yet, I'll have to admit, music when introduced into the Christian worship, it was probably done in a reverent, majestic manner and no one thought it could lead to the garbage heard in churches today! There is no way I can deny the beauty of the following and I love to put on my ear buds and listen to such music on youtube:

This song by First Methodist of Houston is enough to make you shout!

Or, the majesty of the music in the Church of England as seen here:

I must go back to basics though. The following brings tears to my eyes and I feel like it almost like my testimony:

I do though, think once music was first permitted into the worship of God, it was the proverbial camel's nose under the tent.
 
I found Adam Clarke's comments on Amos 6:5 interesting, but I do not follow his reasoning.
I could not follow his reasoning either .
I try to avoid 'cherry picking' a translation to support a view
I guess we should seek a consensus of the commentaries so to speak . And the Holy Spirit will guide us too with understanding of God's word .

I like the last video you shared 😍 .
 
I could not follow his reasoning either .

I guess we should seek a consensus of the commentaries so to speak . And the Holy Spirit will guide us too with understanding of God's word .

I like the last video you shared 😍 .
Over the years in reading the various commentaries, I began to think about their Scripture arguments, contexts, etc. Over time I did develop favorites that I go to first and have them on my Bible software programs.

I believe the Few Good Men quartet out of Africa are SDA, and I do not agree with SDA doctrine, but they surely do have some fine hymns online.
 
When you think on "one Lord, one Faith and one Baptism" even the commentators disagree with each other. What is given to God's people is God Himself, infallible and sovereign in all He has given us in His written word. I'm not saying all commentaries are bad, but it is hard to find ones that line up with the scriptures without them making the scriptures line up with what they present. I will stick with the Holy Spirit teaching me as I compare scripture with scripture, OT with NT. If I get it wrong the Holy Spirit always sends me correction.
 
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