OSAS

[Who Me]

The Christian life is a constant struggle, dealing with temptation to actively sin, passively sin, to be loving and gracious, while also living in a manner worthy of our Lord.

Because it is a constant struggle it is very easy to fall into, or walk into bad habits that hurt or destroy ones Christian testimony.
Fortunately Jesus knew what we are like and provides for us to come back to him.

For me we are saved and are constantly saved untill our end, only if we continue to the end.ed
Someone who starts as a Christian but does not end as one, ultimately was never saved, simple because they did not continue to the end.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

The never was saved as a scary concept. It basically means until we meet our maker we don't know if we're saved or not. Who knows, one day we might lose our faith as many before us have also. Many of them also regained their faith and came back to God, but not everyone.

My hope is in God. Because I've seen my own weaknesses, I know I could be torn from God if the wrong situation and the wrong mindset paired together in one of Satan's schemes. So we have to hope that God's grip is stronger than our fickle and weak nature. That He will not let go.

That said, who's to say who is saved and who isn't. Work out you salvation with fear and trembling I think is one bible verse. While another says to have confidance in God's saving grace and His salvation.

Hope in God, because that's the only hope to rely on.

 

[JLB]

The Christian life is a constant struggle, dealing with temptation to actively sin, passively sin, to be loving and gracious, while also living in a manner worthy of our Lord.

Because it is a constant struggle it is very easy to fall into, or walk into bad habits that hurt or destroy ones Christian testimony.
Fortunately Jesus knew what we are like and provides for us to come back to him.

For me we are saved and are constantly saved untill our end, only if we continue to the end.ed
Someone who starts as a Christian but does not end as one, ultimately was never saved, simple because they did not continue to the end.

Thanks for starting this thread

You make some good points.


If I were to base my theology on my own experience, I would fall into the category of OSAS.


I have backsliden having fallen back into a sinful lifestyle of drugs and alcohol, more than once.


Thanks be to God, in His mercy He never gave up on me, and I repented and learned from my failures.

With that being said I would like to share a scripture for us to discuss, if I may.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


Key Verses:

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Notice Jesus rejoices when one of His sheep that became lost, is found.

I think everyone agrees that the lost need salvation, in fact by default for someone or something to become lost they must first belong to someone.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Notice that His sheep who becomes lost is referred to as a sinner, which is defined as a person who is separated from Christ.

His sheep who become lost are sinners in need of repentance in order to be reconciled back to Christ.



JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Jesus said he goes after the missing one until he finds it.
Does he ever indicate anywhere that there are those that he goes after that he never finds?

 

[JLB]

Jesus said he goes after the missing one until he finds it.
Does he ever indicate anywhere that there are those that he goes after that he never finds?

Please share the scripture you are referring to.

 

[JLB]

Jesus said he goes after the missing one until he finds it.

The word the scripture uses is “lost”, not missing.

Do you believe the “lost” need salvation?


JLB

 

[jerry63935]

The never was saved as a scary concept. It basically means until we meet our maker we don't know if we're saved or not. Who knows, one day we might lose our faith as many before us have also. Many of them also regained their faith and came back to God, but not everyone.

we have a know so salvation we also have advocate .. we can know we are saved and our inheritance is kept by the power of God . if a person can not accept this.chances are there not saved

 

[JLB]

we have a know so salvation we also have advocate .. we can know we are saved and our inheritance is kept by the power of God . if a person can not accept this.chances are there not saved

Thanks Jerry... for sharing your opinion with us.


Would you care to comment on the teaching of Jesus about the lost sheep?


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The word the scripture uses is “lost”, not missing.

Do you believe the “lost” need salvation?


JLB

Yes, I agree with what you already said about lost.
But it makes me wonder, how can God lose something?
Is it really possible?
I don't think so, therefore the loss is only a temporary situation.
God always finds anything he has lost.
But how does that play out?

Matthew 18:12-14;

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The word the scripture uses is “lost”, not missing.

Do you believe the “lost” need salvation?


JLB

Actually, I can't find a version that says lost or missing.
What I see mostly is gone astray or wanders off.
Also, does God let them go astray, or let them wander off?
What's that all about?

 

[JLB]

But it makes me wonder, how can God lose something?
Is it really possible?

The people the Lord entrust’s with His sheep, may or may not love the sheep the way He loves them.

That is the point of His teaching.

He is teaching His disciples, while at the same time, correcting the mindset of the Pharisees concerning being responsible for the well being of the house of Israel.


Here is what Jesus instructed Peter to do, that he may love God and love God’s people, ie his neighbor.


He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”
And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. John 21:17


Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, and has passed on the responsibility to govern and care for the Church to His leadership.

The Gospel is preached by those whom He sends.

It’s up to the Church to go after the lost.

It’s up to each person to make the choice to repent, and be reconciled to God.



“But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.” ’
“And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ Luke 15:17-21, 32


The Father did not go after the son, but rather the son came to himself after having suffered, and repented, confessed his sin, and returned to the father in humility.

The father was waiting with open arms to restore his son....
not someone else’s son, but his son who wandered away and became lost.


I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:1




JLB

 

[JLB]

Yes, I agree with what you already said about lost.
But it makes me wonder, how can God lose something?
Is it really possible?
I don't think so, therefore the loss is only a temporary situation.
God always finds anything he has lost.
But how does that play out?

Matthew 18:12-14;

“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:15-17


As you have quoted Matthew 18:12-14, read through to verse 17 to the result of those who don’t repent when confronted, and to the end of the chapter to see what happens when we don’t forgive.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Actually, I can't find a version that says lost or missing.
What I see mostly is gone astray or wanders off.
Also, does God let them go astray, or let them wander off?
What's that all about?

NKJV

Key Verses:

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

What I see mostly is gone astray or wanders off.
Also, does God let them go astray, or let them wander off?
What's that all about?

Wander away from Christ and His teaching.


Jesus’ brother says it this way —


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Would you care to comment on the teaching of Jesus about the lost sheep?

they was lost its not hard he left the 99 went after the one. however if your trying to make a case of the being saved then lost then saved. i am not in that discussion . a true blue Child of God can wonder off . this world is very enticing has lots to offer. look at all those in the Blm protest that don have a clue . but like the prodigal son we will /should come to our senses and return home. the wonderful part of this scripture is the Father never gave up on his son after he left home. i will assure you we all have went away and had to find our way back home. we pull our glasses down at the end of our nose (figuratively speaking ) saying well i never but we have. if they do it there going to hell .but if we do it all have sinned and come short of the glory .

 

[JLB]

they was lost its not hard he left the 99 went after the one. however if your trying to make a case of the being saved then lost then saved. i am not in that discussion . a true blue Child of God can wonder off . this world is very enticing has lots to offer. look at all those in the Blm protest that don have a clue . but like the prodigal son we will /should come to our senses and return home. the wonderful part of this scripture is the Father never gave up on his son after he left home. i will assure you we all have went away and had to find our way back home. we pull our glasses down at the end of our nose (figuratively speaking ) saying well i never but we have. if they do it there going to hell .but if we do it all have sinned and come short of the glory .

What does it mean to you for one of His sheep to become lost?


Can you lose something that’s not yours to begin with?



JLB

 

[JLB]

the wonderful part of this scripture is the Father never gave up on his son after he left home.

On this we fully agree!

Thank God He never gave up on me.

He welcomed His son back and restored him.


However, there are some who say, that the son, “if he went out from us” was never saved to begin with.


Thank God the teaching from Christ doesn’t say that the father looked at His son and said... “since you left, you must have never been my son to begin with“.




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

However, there are some who say, that the son, “if he went out from us” was never saved to begin with.

if he fails to ever return .the whole problem with the osas /osnas where not the judge of salvation.

 

[JLB]

if he fails to ever return

Do you believe the lost need salvation?

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

If one of His sheep, should wander away and become lost, do they need salvation?


At some point we all have to agree on what lost means... What sinner means and what repent means, and what justified means.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Lost = unreconciled with God; dead to God, spiritually dead.

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’
Luke 15:32



Sinner means separated from Christ.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26


If the 99 remain justified, then the one who who becomes lost, can not still be justified otherwise there is no difference between one who is lost and one who is found, one who is justified and one who is unjust.




JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Do you believe the lost need salvation?

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

If one of His sheep, should wander away and become lost, do they need salvation?


At some point we all have to agree on what lost means... What sinner means and what repent means, and what justified means.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Lost = unreconciled with God; dead to God, spiritually dead.

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’
Luke 15:32



Sinner means separated from Christ.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26


If the 99 remain justified, then the one who who becomes lost, can not still be justified otherwise there is no difference between one who is lost and one who is found, one who is justified and one who is unjust.




JLB

But only one version of the Bible says lost, the one you choose to make your point.
If one has wandered away, is that the same as lost?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Do you believe the lost need salvation?

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

If one of His sheep, should wander away and become lost, do they need salvation?


At some point we all have to agree on what lost means... What sinner means and what repent means, and what justified means.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Lost = unreconciled with God; dead to God, spiritually dead.

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’
Luke 15:32



Sinner means separated from Christ.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26


If the 99 remain justified, then the one who who becomes lost, can not still be justified otherwise there is no difference between one who is lost and one who is found, one who is justified and one who is unjust.




JLB

John 6:58; "This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, But he who feeds on this bread will live forever".
Now I look at this verse and I see the older son eating manna and the younger one repenting and being fed by Jesus.
One is saved, one is not.
The Jews remained with God in the desert for 40 years, they were fed manna, and yet they died, always complaining for something better.
This is exactly the case of the older son.
Do you agree that he was not saved?
Or should I say "lost".