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Over Population is a Myth!

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AKJVReader

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What's the UNFPA? How do they profit from fear?

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The United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) was founded in 1969, the year after Ehrlich published The Population Bomb. They have been involved in programs with governments around the world who deny their women the right to choose the number and spacing of their children. Their complicit work with the infamous “one-child policy" mandated by the government of the People's Republic of China, uncovered by an investigation of the U.S. State Department in 2001, led the United States to pull its funding.

The wealthy of the West, in their terror of poverty, have given copiously to the UNFPA and its population control programs. Visit Population Research Institute for more info.

There's No way everyone could fit in Texas?

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According to the U.N. Population Database, the world's population in 2010 will be 6,908,688,000. The landmass of Texas is 268,820 sq mi (7,494,271,488,000 sq ft). So, divide 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft by 6,908,688,000 people, and you get 1084.76 sq ft/person. That's approximately a 33' x 33' plot of land for every person on the planet, enough space for a town house.

Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard -- and all of them fit on a landmass the size of Texas. Admittedly, it'd basically be one massive subdivision, but Texas is a tiny portion of the inhabitable Earth.

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Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.

The world's population will peak in 30 years? Prove it.

According to the U.N. Population Database, using the historically accurate low variant projection, the Earth's population will only add another billion people or so over the next thirty years, peaking around 8.02 billion people in the year 2040, and then it will begin to decline. Check their online database.

From:
Episode 1: Overpopulation: The Making of a Myth | Overpopulation is a myth
 
the overpopulation problem comes from amounts of food and energy required to sustain a population. not the physical space.

The only reason we can exist at all these days is due to the existence of fossil fuels and non-renewable sources which supplement our excess energy requirement. That isn't a sustainable outcome and if we used resources that wouldn't deplete.

If everyone on the planet lived like the average Americans then we would need 4.5planet earths to feed that population indefinitely. If everyone lived like the UK then we'd need 2.75 planet earths the worst begin the united Arab emirates where if we all lived like that we'd need 6planet earths.

At this rate most of us will die starvation dehydration and disease through uncontrolled excess not some god filled rapture like you think.
Two options exist to avoid this

1. New technologies that provide better amounts of energy from the amount of renewable resources that we already possess I personally am a big side on this optimistic ideal. hence why I became a scientist.
2. the other extremely unpalatable option of radically changing our behavior/diets ect (A small extent of this may still be required anyway)

The main reason the USA's footprint is so high is more due to the fact that alot of people live in suburbia and the USA has no public transport infrastructure to speak of.

Your video about food is outdated it was previously true that such practices went on but not anymore.
 
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Pebbles said:
the overpopulation problem comes from amounts of food and energy required to sustain a population. not the physical space.

The only reason we can exist at all these days is due to the existence of fossil fuels and non-renewable sources which supplement our excess energy requirement. That isn't a sustainable outcome and if we used resources that wouldn't deplete.

If everyone on the planet lived like the average Americans then we would need 4.5planet earths to feed that population indefinitely. If everyone lived like the UK then we'd need 2.75 planet earths the worst begin the united Arab emirates where if we all lived like that we'd need 6planet earths.

At this rate most of us will die starvation dehydration and disease through uncontrolled excess not some god filled rapture like you think.
Two options exist to avoid this

1. New technologies that provide better amounts of energy from the amount of renewable resources that we already possess I personally am a big side on this optimistic ideal. hence why I became a scientist.
2. the other extremely unpalatable option of radically changing our behavior/diets ect (A small extent of this may still be required anyway)

The main reason the USA's footprint is so high is more due to the fact that alot of people live in suburbia and the USA has no public transport infrastructure to speak of.

Your video about food is outdated it was previously true that such practices went on but not anymore.
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what? no public transportation
uh, you mean no amtrak?

no buses as in greyhound?
or local transits as in trollies?hmm san franscisco and nyc and a host of others have those. where i live its small and we have public transportation system. been around since 1993. sure we could use some more but in the larger cities one doesnt need a car.
 
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I checked AKJV's math and it's OK. The only difference is my source quotes Texas as slightly less than the figure given and about 2% water of that figure, but nothing to affect the outcome significantly.

One would have the rest of the planet to grow crops (which takes some of the population out of Texas) and to tap natural resources for living. Realistically, one would need some space for our resources for the population (as opposed to shipping them there) so I could see that population spreading to perhaps twice the distance of Texas for 4 perhaps 5 times the area, but still fitting all the people fairly comfortably.

Now for some more math: Using the figure of 268,820 sq mi for Texas, and 57,239,620 sq mi for the total landmass of the earth, we see that Texas comprises of only about 0.5% of the earth's landmass. Even if some landmass is uninhabitable or uncultivated, there is obviously plenty to go around.

So.... as the Lord said, "Be fruitful and multiply".

When mathematics says it all, we see that we can indeed have babies from now until the time God calls it quits for us.
 
Not to incite debate in the wrong way, however...

If they stopped making corn into ethanol and started drilling for oil in the US two things would be solved.

First, the corn used every year to make ethanol is enough to feed, in conjunction with the current food we make, everyone in the world. And that takes care of the food issue.

Second, the oil under the various parts of the US is enough to sustain the entire world for two decades (roughly, it's one of the estimates I heard. It isn't the most liberal or the most conservative of the estimates, it's right in the middle, so I went with it). Scientists have come out and said (and mind you this was in the 80s!) that all they need is 15 years and they could develop a synthetic fossil fuel. Regan actually started a program back in the 80s but the gas/oil people forced it to shut down, or they would have raised prices to ridiculous amounts.

Overpopulation is just a scare tactic. I have my own ideas as to why it is being implemented but I don't think this is the thread for that, so I shall stay silent.
 
tim-from-pa said:
...So.... as the Lord said, "Be fruitful and multiply".

When mathematics says it all, we see that we can indeed have babies from now until the time God calls it quits for us.
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I'm just wondering though, if we do as you suggest, even if we can fit all the current people into a space the size of Texas, and food could be grown in the rest of the areas that are conducive to food growth and somehow preserved, transported, and distributed to us without massive increases in energy use... what of all the other aspects of society? What about waste disposal and pollution just to name a couple? Anyone that has been in any of the world's large metropolitan areas has seen the problem. Can you imagine trying to clear smog from an area the size of Texas when we can't even clear it out of a relatively small area such as Los Angeles? What about increased water runoff caused by the entire state being covered with houses and pavement? Can you imagine the devastating flash floods produced when a downpour comes? How huge would the storm drains have to be to drain an impermeable area the size of Texas in the short time required to prevent flooding? (And, of course, where do we build those flood control channels when all the land is covered with houses and the needed infrastructure?) We already have these problems in most of the populated areas of the world, and we don't seem to have any real practical solutions for them. How much worse would it be with the entire human race packed like sardines into one area?

What about the psychological implications? Haven't there been studies done on animals where it was shown that crowding produces poor behavior from the stress induced? We can't seem to control crime in the relatively tiny areas of population we have now. How could we ever deal with it when we are all crammed into a seemingly endless crowded city devoid of all nature and open space? Sure, it's easy to say we would have to change our behavior. But it's probably not possible to change basic human nature on a world wide scale.

Given human history, it seems that if we were able to provide enough food and renewable energy to keep on having babies as you suggest, humanity will do just that. We will keep reproducing until we run into another wall that stops us. Somewhere along that line something has to kill us off, just like happens among other animal populations in the world.

It seems the commandment to populate the Earth is about the only one that humanity has demonstrated any propensity to fulfill. We can probably stop worrying about that one now and focus on some of the other ones. If it ever looks like the earth is suffereing from not having enough humans, I'm sure we can start populating it again then!:)
 
Pard said:
Not to incite debate in the wrong way, however...

If they stopped making corn into ethanol and started drilling for oil in the US two things would be solved.

First, the corn used every year to make ethanol is enough to feed, in conjunction with the current food we make, everyone in the world. And that takes care of the food issue.

Second, the oil under the various parts of the US is enough to sustain the entire world for two decades (roughly, it's one of the estimates I heard. It isn't the most liberal or the most conservative of the estimates, it's right in the middle, so I went with it). Scientists have come out and said (and mind you this was in the 80s!) that all they need is 15 years and they could develop a synthetic fossil fuel. Regan actually started a program back in the 80s but the gas/oil people forced it to shut down, or they would have raised prices to ridiculous amounts.

Overpopulation is just a scare tactic. I have my own ideas as to why it is being implemented but I don't think this is the thread for that, so I shall stay silent.
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sythentenic fuel is already been tried, it takes more energy to produce then what it returns., that idea of synthentenic petroleum is what powered the german war machine. i use sythentic oil in my nissan.
 
Igor said:
I'm just wondering though, if we do as you suggest, even if we can fit all the current people into a space the size of Texas, and food could be grown in the rest of the areas that are conducive to food growth and somehow preserved, transported, and distributed to us without massive increases in energy use... what of all the other aspects of society? What about waste disposal and pollution just to name a couple? Anyone that has been in any of the world's large metropolitan areas has seen the problem. Can you imagine trying to clear smog from an area the size of Texas when we can't even clear it out of a relatively small area such as Los Angeles? What about increased water runoff caused by the entire state being covered with houses and pavement? Can you imagine the devastating flash floods produced when a downpour comes? How huge would the storm drains have to be to drain an impermeable area the size of Texas in the short time required to prevent flooding? (And, of course, where do we build those flood control channels when all the land is covered with houses and the needed infrastructure?) We already have these problems in most of the populated areas of the world, and we don't seem to have any real practical solutions for them. How much worse would it be with the entire human race packed like sardines into one area?

What about the psychological implications? Haven't there been studies done on animals where it was shown that crowding produces poor behavior from the stress induced? We can't seem to control crime in the relatively tiny areas of population we have now. How could we ever deal with it when we are all crammed into a seemingly endless crowded city devoid of all nature and open space? Sure, it's easy to say we would have to change our behavior. But it's probably not possible to change basic human nature on a world wide scale.

Given human history, it seems that if we were able to provide enough food and renewable energy to keep on having babies as you suggest, humanity will do just that. We will keep reproducing until we run into another wall that stops us. Somewhere along that line something has to kill us off, just like happens among other animal populations in the world.

It seems the commandment to populate the Earth is about the only one that humanity has demonstrated any propensity to fulfill. We can probably stop worrying about that one now and focus on some of the other ones. If it ever looks like the earth is suffereing from not having enough humans, I'm sure we can start populating it again then!:)
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I was being factitious, Igor. Nobody seriously wants to cram all the people into a space the size of Texas. You are right. It would not be the best. However, in order to supply such as vast population in a small space people would have to migrate outwards anyway which is in effect what is the situation now. The point was that IF we could cram everyone into the size of Texas, everyone would have adequate space using only 0.5% of the earth's land. And if there is that much land "left over", then the remaining at a 200:1 ratio is enough to supply an individual human being. That was the point of the math exercise.

Now, we as Christians already know that in spite of the Lord saying be fruitful and multiply, that the bible also teaches that the Lord made enough land and resources to supply everyone. I can't think of the verse right now, but I can find it if I have some time later. But it stated to the effect that God measured out the lands of the earth for the different families i.e. for their inheritance.

This is why I am not an atheist. Atheists live in fear because they refuse to accept that, so what kind of miserable life is that living in fear? I have assurance from the Lord Himself that this will not happen.
 
Now to everyone else:

This is why I am also a conspiracy theorist. The Illuminati wants the world population down to 300-500M max, not in the billions. Who is the Illuminati? Well, it's not as crazy as one thinks. In the bible it's called the Beast, Babylon and so forth. Revelation is every bit sounding like a conspiracy theorist's book. The Illuminati is the world's name for the beast and his system in other words.

And what's funny (or more likely pathetic) is that the stooges that believe and perpetuate this population and pollution myths (and similar teachings) are going to be their targets after they done their bidding. What do they care if a few brainwashed subjects get targeted even if it helped their goals? That's because it is a Luciferian system which has no loyalty to anyone, especially those who helped them out. What a pity. Puppets on a string, and pawns who think that they think for themselves.
 
This is why I am also a conspiracy theorist. The Illuminati wants the world population down to 300-500M max, not in the billions.
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In other words Satan wants every human on the planet dead. Satan is the biggest enemy (Ephesian 6) not the Illuminati puppets. That's why the Illuminati has World War 3 planned and this time the war will be the biggest ever. I wonder why there are underground bases with supplies everywhere underneath the US? They must be expecting something.

The point was that IF we could cram everyone into the size of Texas, everyone would have adequate space using only 0.5% of the earth's land. And if there is that much land "left over", then the remaining at a 200:1 ratio is enough to supply an individual human being. That was the point of the math exercise.
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And you could cram even more people in Texas if instead of building small houses you built huge residential skyscrapers. But how would radical jihadist Muslims fit in? :chin

Illuminati spelled backwards is itanimulli.
Now, type itanimulli.com into your address bar and see where it takes you to.
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Well i got the NSA!
But seriously out of what i have learnt about the Illuminati it is a Worldwide group not just an independent US government operation. I think of the Rothschilds of Europe, royalty in Europe, and billionaires from around the world being in the Illuminati too.
 
AKJVReader said:
In other words Satan wants every human on the planet dead. Satan is the biggest enemy (Ephesian 6) not the Illuminati puppets. That's why the Illuminati has World War 3 planned and this time the war will be the biggest ever. I wonder why there are underground bases with supplies everywhere underneath the US? They must be expecting something.

And you could cram even more people in Texas if instead of building small houses you built huge residential skyscrapers. But how would radical jihadist Muslims fit in? :chin

Well i got the NSA!
But seriously out of what i have learnt about the Illuminati it is a Worldwide group not just an independent US government operation. I think of the Rothschilds of Europe, royalty in Europe, and billionaires from around the world being in the Illuminati too.
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you are one wierd person the rothchilds founded modern isreal finacally.

lol name these underground bases.wait i will beat you to the punch.

washtington dc has one(for the cold war duh , russia was a threat)
cheyenne mountain , we still use that to track things in the air and space
nellis afb.
 
AKJVReader said:
I agree with you there, that's why they have a hexagram on there flag. The star of rephaim from memory.



See this video:

YouTube - Secret Underground Bases

or type in "secret underground base" into http://www.youtube.com
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no the star is the same flag on my avatar the star of david is the official symbol of the jews. it wasnt however until after the holocaust official.
the star of david is most likely a kaballic tradition.

you tube ,lol. i am a military man. give me something better then that, like a .mil site or names. only one base is unamed and that is area 51.
 
The NSA site is a redirect. It's just some dude's joke. Actually, I even know who that "some dude" is! Meet:

Registrant:
John Fenley
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States

Domain Name: ITANIMULLI.COM
Created on: 20-Nov-02
Expires on: 20-Nov-10
Last Updated on: 25-Nov-09

Administrative Contact:
Fenley, John
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States
8014273274 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Fenley, John
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States
8014273274 Fax --

He purchased the site from GoDaddy! and then redirected it to the NSA servers. That trick has been around for a while. It's just a joke.
 
Pard said:
The NSA site is a redirect. It's just some dude's joke. Actually, I even know who that "some dude" is! Meet:

Registrant:
John Fenley
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States

Domain Name: ITANIMULLI.COM
Created on: 20-Nov-02
Expires on: 20-Nov-10
Last Updated on: 25-Nov-09

Administrative Contact:
Fenley, John
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States
8014273274 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Fenley, John
1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States
8014273274 Fax --

He purchased the site from GoDaddy! and then redirected it to the NSA servers. That trick has been around for a while. It's just a joke.
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So, do you know this fellow personally? I don't think that you do.


And if you don't then you have no idea if he is joking or not.


In fact you won't know at all if he has any ties to the nsa or the illuminati if you don't personally know him.
 
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