PC lies about homosexuality+life

[Mike S]

False! So false. Then again, so were the lies I was told about all kinds of things. Divorce, drugs, abortion, "mental health," and Christians. One reason I stay Christian now, for instance, is because when I was at my lowest point--burned out, dull eyed, overweight, hated by my entire small town--it was Christians who tried to reach out to me and get me to see that I needed to change and that God loved me.

I didn't "get it" then, I but I "get it" now. Christians follow Christ. We are also led by the Holy Spirit, who leads us to Truth. Part of being a Christian, for me at least, is taking a stand for Truth in a culture that seems hell bent on creating all sorts of self-serving, ultimately destructive lies to justify all sorts of immoral behavior.

I think you do get it.

As Christians, we have an obligation to preach the Gospel, but we will always live in societies that permit - even celebtate -sinful behavior. It's important we support each other in living according to God's will in our Christian communities, even as we reach out to help others.

 

[SMOOCH]

One thing that bothers me about both the homosexuals and "christians" is that they think god wants both groups to hate each other and thats just false. God wants us to hate sin but love each other. Regardless of faith, station, or anything else god loves us all and calls those following him to do the same.

Anyway, the lies ive encountered is that there can be a gay church. If i was a lesbian i would feel highly uncomfortable in church especially when they got to the parts of the bible where they speak on homosexuality and the wages of sin. I would be thinking whats the point of me seeking salvation while devoting my entire life to sin, am i just trying to understand what will happen to me because of my choice?

 

[panram]

I view gays as equal to me in that we both are sinners. I am not going to get into a tit for tat argument with a gay comparing whose sins are more egregious.


Matthew 7:1-3
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Why do many Christians have an irrational hatred towards homosexuals? And yes, this is hatred. You cannot speak of love out one side of your mouth while spewing vile condemnation out of the other side. Often scripture is pointed out by these arm chair theologians to condemn a homosexual with a nonrefundable ticket to hell but where is the love in this? Christ's number one message is that love is pure and unconditional and not to be polluted with the sin of hatred and judgment. Love one another without condition , love your neighbor, love your enemy etc. etc. etc.

And with regard to the 'plank in our own eyes', we as Christians will continue to remove these endless and overwhelming parade of planks from our own eyes for the rest of our natural born lives. We never stop being sinners. As Christians, we our to give ourselves over to rigorous and continuous self examination and we are to continue to humbly pray for God's mercy and forgiveness for all our trespasses as we continue to recognize them.

Ephesians 4:2
Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

Have those Christians who so loudly disparage homosexuals as horrific sinners, ever sat down and chatted with a homosexual? Have you ever befriended a homosexual? And if you have or do in the future, why even bring up that homosexuality is a sin? As one sinner to another, you may find that what you have in common is far more than what you don't. Yes, as Christians, we are to proclaim to the world the Good Word without hesitation, but please be wise and humble in this regard. You can catch more potential Christians with honey than you can with vinegar.

Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply because love covers over a multitude of sins.

So, deeply loving another in friendship and accepting their faults without judgment covers over a multitude of sins. This includes homosexuality. I will repeat that. This includes homosexuality!

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Yes, many here on this forum who claim to be Christians will be denied the Kingdom of Heaven come judgment day. I don't pretend to know where I stand on this. I just wake up every day and continue to try to do the right thing in a fallen world.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

What bugs me is when I get asked "so what are your views on homosexuality" or "is being gay a sin?" I can never properly explain that yeah it's a sin but the people have just as much of a shot at heaven as I do. And that I don't hold it against them. I have a gay friend. She is very nice. Does any one else have this problem?

 

[WIP]

The difficulty that I feel doesn't discriminate against one sinner or another, whether that sinner is gay/lesbian, a thief, an adulterer, a liar, or....

The difficulty I feel is that when one points out another's sinful behavior, the defendant immediately attempts to point the finger back onto the plaintiff as if by doing so it somehow relieves the defendant of guilt because they can show that the plaintiff is not infallible.

"Well, who are you to talk? Look at what you do!" While this reverse accusation is probably quite true the original focus was on the defendant and not the plaintiff and turning it around does not justify the defendant's sinful behavior. Pointing out another person's faults in no way justifies my own.

 

[stovebolts]

Maybe saying "PC" wasn't best choice. I mean, there's really only so much room in the title bar. Maybe "the emerging, post-modern, relativist lies about homosexuality+life."

I know about homosexuality because I was gay. Now that I've stopped being actively gay, the inclinations are decidedly less intense. This lines up with what the Catholic Church says about the sex drive--it is amenable to reason. I'm not Catholic but they've been around for 2,000 years, so I read their stuff on important issues.

Anyway, for me personally, one great thing about being Christian is confronting Truth. First you realize you're a sinner. Then you ask for forgiveness. Then you start the process of learning about God and Christ.

Thing is...God is Truth. And love. The Holy Spirit, in particular, is said to "lead us into all Truth," or something to that effect. So I do think that for Christians should do what they can to confront Truth.

Romans 1 mentions homosexuality along with a cluster of other sins that occur when individuals and societies reject God. Its a mixture of God-rejection and self-worship than ends in destruction.

As a post/ex-gay man, I think its important for people to know from someone who was there that homosexuality isn't fun. I mean, OK--it had its moments. But all sins do.

I singled homosexuality out because I was gay and because I believed some of the lies that were then more common among more "tolerant" people and have now spread to the masses. The lies that said you can be just as happy gay as straight, that you can find someone and settle down (just like straight people), and that all the previous knowledge about homosexuality was one huge "myth" or rooted in "homophobia" or something. I was 17, and I belived it.

False! So false. Then again, so were the lies I was told about all kinds of things. Divorce, drugs, abortion, "mental health," and Christians. One reason I stay Christian now, for instance, is because when I was at my lowest point--burned out, dull eyed, overweight, hated by my entire small town--it was Christians who tried to reach out to me and get me to see that I needed to change and that God loved me.

I didn't "get it" then, I but I "get it" now. Christians follow Christ. We are also led by the Holy Spirit, who leads us to Truth. Part of being a Christian, for me at least, is taking a stand for Truth in a culture that seems hell bent on creating all sorts of self-serving, ultimately destructive lies to justify all sorts of immoral behavior.

What a breath of fresh air. Your such an inspiration! God is doing great things in your life!