Point blank says it sir: KJV: 2th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; NWT: (2 Thessalonians 2:3) . . .Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. . .
Okay. Just a translation difference. So, then, where is the biblical evidence "that from the time of John's death until shortly after the time of Jesus' enthronement that there was no organized people of God"?
Act 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
Act 2:34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand,
Act 2:35 until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
Act 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that
God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (ESV)
Again, this shows that Jesus is at the right hand of God and in that refers to his being "Lord," that is, ruler or king. As Rev states twice, Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords.
You understood me correctly as Jesus being crowned as King sitting on God's throne
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As you stated he sit at God's right hand, until when Free? That is the key sir. At that time he would stand up as King taking action.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end,
when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. (ESV)
He sits at God's right hand and reigns "until he has put all enemies under his feet," at which point "he delivers the kingdom of God the Father." If at the time of Paul writing 1 Cor Jesus was already reigning over the kingdom, then that can only mean that Jesus was already King. It's at the end of all things--"after destroying every rule and every authority and power"--that he hands over the kingdom to the Father.
Lest there be any doubt as to when Jesus hands over the kingdom, it is after "he has put all enemies under his feet," where "the last enemy to be destroyed is death." When does that happen?
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (ESV)
There are several last day periods mentioned in the Bible Free, the one I am referring to was recorded in Mat 24 with the signs Jesus gave for being the final part of the days of satans world. Once his presence (Kingship) began it would not exceed a generation before his return verse 34
There is only one period that is the last days--from at least Pentecost to the very last day. I don't see anything in Matt 24 that would suggest that once Jesus's kingship "began it would not exceed a generation before his return;" there is nothing to suggest when his kingship begins. It is at his return, or shortly thereafter, that his reign as king, which began at his resurrection/ascension, comes to end.
Mat 24:31 And he will send out his angels
with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.
Mat 24:33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates.
Mat 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (ESV)
1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54
When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
1Co 15:55 “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” (ESV)
Notice that this lines up with the passages I gave from earlier in 1 Cor 15 and in Rev 20. The resurrection occurs, "the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality," so that "Death is swallowed up in victory." Death is destroyed and then Jesus's reign as king comes to an end he "delivers the kingdom to God the Father."
Hi Paul, thanks for asking sir. The appointed times of the nations was a prophecy given to us in Daniel Chap 4. It was about no King sitting on God's throne over His people for a period of 7 times. Zedekiah was the last King to sit on Israel's throne, and we believe those times ended in 1914 with the crowing of Jesus.
This is a rather stunning claim since it ignores the rest of Dan 4:
Dan 4:25 that
you shall be driven from among men, and
your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field.
You shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and
you shall be wet with the dew of heaven, and
seven periods of time shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.
Dan 4:26 And as it was commanded to leave the stump of the roots of the tree,
your kingdom shall be confirmed for you from the time that you know that Heaven rules.
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Dan 4:31 While the words were still in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, “O King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: The kingdom has departed from you,
Dan 4:32 and
you shall be driven from among men, and
your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. And
you shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and
seven periods of time shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.”
Dan 4:33 Immediately the word was fulfilled against Nebuchadnezzar.
He was driven from among men and
ate grass like an ox, and
his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair grew as long as eagles' feathers, and his nails were like birds' claws.
Dan 4:34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation;
Dan 4:35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and
he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned to me, and for the glory of my kingdom, my majesty and splendor returned to me. My counselors and my lords sought me,
and I was established in my kingdom, and still more greatness was added to me. (ESV)
There is simply no way that the seven periods of time refers to 1914 since the fulfillment of the dream is very clearly accomplished in 4:25-34. All the words of what would happen to Nebuchadnezzar are repeated in stating exactly what happened to him, and he clearly states that he "was established in [his] kingdom."
Also, how does one get seven periods of time from 586 BC to 1914 AD?
