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Period of apostasy

Free said:
What do you mean I was "unable to identify them as an organized group"? They were followers of Christ, Christians. There were significantly more than just a few individuals. True Christianity grew significantly in the first 300 years and never died out; history shows us this, including in the numerous writings by Christians and non-Christian historians.
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We disagree Free. Let me ask you are you able to identify Christians today?
 
Highway54 said:
We disagree Free. Let me ask you are you able to identify Christians today?
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We do disagree, but you have no basis for your belief. It is solely based on what the Watch Tower has told you to believe, based on false prophecy and false revelation, but there is no basis in either the Bible or history.

There are millions of Christians today who can be identified by their profession of faith in Christ and live lives that are in line with that profession.
 
Elteqay said:
What version of the Bible do you read ?
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Several, but if you are asking which ones I recommend to others I recommend the New World Translation first, the American Standard Version secondly, and third I would recommend the King James Version of the Bible.
 
Highway54 said:
Hi Paul, thanks for asking sir. The appointed times of the nations was a prophecy given to us in Daniel Chap 4. It was about no King sitting on God's throne over His people for a period of 7 times. Zedekiah was the last King to sit on Israel's throne, and we believe those times ended in 1914 with the crowing of Jesus. WW#1 we believe was fulfillment of the first sign Jesus gave to identify that; nation would rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
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The JW idea is wrong, the correct year began with Nebuchadnezzer in 604 BC, and the end time of that prophecy is 1917. ( the same year on 1st January that Israel was promised to be returned to the Jews.

Then we add on 30 years to come to 1947, exactly when Israel is alive form the dead again, when the UN voted to officially return Israel to the Jews.
 
Highway54 said:
Thanks Free, I see what you are thinking sir, simply a matter of understanding.

Point blank says it sir: KJV: 2th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; NWT: (2 Thessalonians 2:3) . . .Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. . .
You understood me correctly as Jesus being crowned as King sitting on God's throne

There are several last day periods mentioned in the Bible Free, the one I am referring to was recorded in Mat 24 with the signs Jesus gave for being the final part of the days of satans world. Once his presence (Kingship) began it would not exceed a generation before his return verse 34

As you stated he sit at God's right hand, until when Free? That is the key sir. At that time he would stand up as King taking action.
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The falling away is now, when men are lovers of their own selves, when they have more cares of this life than ever before. ( increased in riches.)



Many false teachers now, as seen on the forum itself, this time is right now.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 
Highway54 said:
There were a few, but of course they were not organized. Keep in mind, Jehovah never leaves Himself without witness, but just as you were unable to identify them as an organized group, as individuals God always has witnesses, faithful ones who serve Him.
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Two thousand years ago, they were identified by forsaking all to be with Christ, to be in afflictions, to not live as other people, marrying, giving in marriage, having cares of this life.

Jehovas witnesses are a perfect example, of being the same as any other Christian in name only, which is the whole world deceived by the beast.
 
gordon777 said:
The JW idea is wrong, the correct year began with Nebuchadnezzer in 604 BC, and the end time of that prophecy is 1917. ( the same year on 1st January that Israel was promised to be returned to the Jews.

Then we add on 30 years to come to 1947, exactly when Israel is alive form the dead again, when the UN voted to officially return Israel to the Jews.
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Maybe Gordon, but in 1979 the brothers put into print that the gentile times would end in 1914. Low and behold in that very year Nation rose against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom. Personally I believe they had it correct, but time will answer that one.
 
gordon777 said:
The falling away is now, when men are lovers of their own selves, when they have more cares of this life than ever before. ( increased in riches.)



Many false teachers now, as seen on the forum itself, this time is right now.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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How close do you think the return of Jesus is Gordon?
 
gordon777 said:
Two thousand years ago, they were identified by forsaking all to be with Christ, to be in afflictions, to not live as other people, marrying, giving in marriage, having cares of this life.

Jehovas witnesses are a perfect example, of being the same as any other Christian in name only, which is the whole world deceived by the beast.
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You know Gordon, God does not leave us without instructions on how to identify His people sir, clearly you believe Jehovah's witnesses are not His people, are you able to take your Bible and identify those who belong to Him? Don't blast me, just give me a couple of identifiers at a time.
 
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