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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Please help put an end to human trafficking of little children!
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Hi again JLB
Well, as I said above, we each must act on what we believe is the truth. My truth says that this isn't a thing, but merely some conspiracy put out by a small group of people intent on mixing up some lies and half truths to instill fear in the gullible.
Do you know that there are still reasonably sane people who send money to grifters on line that say they're in some dire straights, when the reality is that it's just some person on the other end of the internet making up a bunch of stories and 'facts' to separate the target from their money. People can be pretty gullible.
God bless,
Ted
Well, as I said above, we each must act on what we believe is the truth. My truth says that this isn't a thing, but merely some conspiracy put out by a small group of people intent on mixing up some lies and half truths to instill fear in the gullible.
Do you know that there are still reasonably sane people who send money to grifters on line that say they're in some dire straights, when the reality is that it's just some person on the other end of the internet making up a bunch of stories and 'facts' to separate the target from their money. People can be pretty gullible.
God bless,
Ted
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Enjoy the show!
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It's probably because it was a 4 chan troll post that got out of hand. Could there be a group doing that? Maybe but it's really close to the Jewish Blood libel conspiracies that it needs solid evidence. Knowing that this stuff originated on 4 Chan where antisemitism is normal doesn't help it.
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‘Sound of Freedom’ sheds critical light on child trafficking, but media instead malign movie
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While definitive numbers on human trafficking are difficult to come by, the “Global Estimates of Modern Slavery” report released in September 2022 offered a staggering estimate, finding about 27.6 million people in “forced labor.”
The sobering report also found, “17.3 million are exploited in the private sector, 6.3 million in forced commercial sexual exploitation, and 3.9 million in forced [labor] imposed by state.”
The topic of children, in particular, is stomach-churning, with the report finding “a total of 1.7 million children are in commercial sexual exploitation, constituting over half of all children in forced [labor].”
Overall, “3.3 million children are in situations of forced [labor] on any given day,” including government-imposed work and other forced labor situations. According to the nonprofit Save the Children, 27% of all trafficking victims are children.
Story after story recounts the human face of these staggering statistics. One woman, Karla, told CNN her story of becoming a trafficking victim when she was just 12 years old. She was reportedly raped 43,200 times by up to 30 men a day for around four years.
“Some men would laugh at me because I was crying,” she said. “I had to close my eyes so that I wouldn’t see what they were doing to me, so that I wouldn’t feel anything.”
From the link .
While definitive numbers on human trafficking are difficult to come by, the “Global Estimates of Modern Slavery” report released in September 2022 offered a staggering estimate, finding about 27.6 million people in “forced labor.”
The sobering report also found, “17.3 million are exploited in the private sector, 6.3 million in forced commercial sexual exploitation, and 3.9 million in forced [labor] imposed by state.”
The topic of children, in particular, is stomach-churning, with the report finding “a total of 1.7 million children are in commercial sexual exploitation, constituting over half of all children in forced [labor].”
Overall, “3.3 million children are in situations of forced [labor] on any given day,” including government-imposed work and other forced labor situations. According to the nonprofit Save the Children, 27% of all trafficking victims are children.
Story after story recounts the human face of these staggering statistics. One woman, Karla, told CNN her story of becoming a trafficking victim when she was just 12 years old. She was reportedly raped 43,200 times by up to 30 men a day for around four years.
“Some men would laugh at me because I was crying,” she said. “I had to close my eyes so that I wouldn’t see what they were doing to me, so that I wouldn’t feel anything.”
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Horrible stuff.
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Sadly not new and open borders makes it easier
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I don't think it's an open border issue, but issues with South American desperation.
Hi hawkman
Question: Is it a known fact that 3.3 million children are living under some form of forced slavery every day? Or is that also an estimate? If so, once again what are they using to make this determination. I mean, I am fully aware that in some countries, sometimes even here in the U.S., children work without pay. It's actually legal in the U.S. for a sole proprietor to have their own children work for them and they are not covered by the fair labor laws. Are these some of those enslaved children.
But none of all of this has anything to do with these posts that are trying to get you to believe that people are drinking the blood of children.
So please understand, I'm fairly well aware of what's going on in the world. Yes there are various places in the world where children are not treated as we, and most other industrialized countries, would like them treated. We should, in valid cases, try to address that, but they aren't killing them and drinking their blood as some would have us believe.
Are you aware that many middle eastern countries are going to be on your list of 'forced labor' with children. The Chinese have long been known to not pay fairly for child labor and even the U.S., at one point in our history, was perfectly ok with children being made to work for low or no wages. They were generally housed and fed and clothed by their employers. Yes, I know that all of these things go on and I fully support any valid work to try and change such practices, but it doesn't all add up to some Satanic blood bath of children.
God bless,
Ted
Well, as your own post starts out, the numbers are all 'estimates'. You do know what an estimate is, right? Question: What were the parameters used to determine people living in slavery? I'd really be interested in knowing 'what' exactly they are referring to as slavery. Is it just that some people don't get paid a fair wage for their labor? Are they counting the people who come across our borders to work under the table for farmers and growers here in the U.S.? What exactly was their determination of 'slavery' of people?
Question: Is it a known fact that 3.3 million children are living under some form of forced slavery every day? Or is that also an estimate? If so, once again what are they using to make this determination. I mean, I am fully aware that in some countries, sometimes even here in the U.S., children work without pay. It's actually legal in the U.S. for a sole proprietor to have their own children work for them and they are not covered by the fair labor laws. Are these some of those enslaved children.
Yes, I'm fully aware that there are some countries and locales where young teens are used to provide sexual services to wicked men and women who are into that sort of thing. I absolutely agree that those countries need to be more effective in policing such issues.
But none of all of this has anything to do with these posts that are trying to get you to believe that people are drinking the blood of children.
So please understand, I'm fairly well aware of what's going on in the world. Yes there are various places in the world where children are not treated as we, and most other industrialized countries, would like them treated. We should, in valid cases, try to address that, but they aren't killing them and drinking their blood as some would have us believe.
Are you aware that many middle eastern countries are going to be on your list of 'forced labor' with children. The Chinese have long been known to not pay fairly for child labor and even the U.S., at one point in our history, was perfectly ok with children being made to work for low or no wages. They were generally housed and fed and clothed by their employers. Yes, I know that all of these things go on and I fully support any valid work to try and change such practices, but it doesn't all add up to some Satanic blood bath of children.
God bless,
Ted
Just some info that others may want to look at:
www.savethechildren.org
And yes, all of these situations should be addressed. But they aren't drinking the blood of children.
Again a bad situation, but I believe this is generally how young teens get involved in the sex trade. Someone they trust sets them up. Now, I'm not saying that's always the case. I know that in some countries the parents are paid to give up their children for what they are usually told is going to be a better life for them. I also know of parents who are the ones who provide their young teen children for sexual activities. But still no drinking of blood.
www.rollingstone.com
This article addresses some of the 'not quite really the way it is' aspects of the movie that is being promoted in this thread.
Here's an explanation of trafficking in east Tennessee. Still no blood drinking Satanists, though.
www.nytimes.com
This one explains what's going on here on this thread. I prefer to deal in truth rather than rumor and wild unfounded accusations.
Yes, I understand and agree that the trafficking of young teens for sexual purposes is wrong and we should make efforts to stop it where we can. Yes, I understand that drug producers sometimes use unpaid children to produce their product and that should not happen and should also be stopped where we can. But none of this adds up to what is being claimed by some on this thread.
So, hopefully all understand that I'm not against valid efforts to stop human trafficking for forced labor or sexual pleasures of some. But I prefer to deal with it as it is in reality and not a bunch of scare tactics that are designed to just work people up and cause a lot of hate and division over things that just aren't the truth of the reality of what's going on.
God bless,
Ted
Learn the Truth About Child Trafficking Myth Vs. Fact
Child trafficking affects millions of boys and girls around the world. Fight misinformation by learning more about the myths and facts of child trafficking.
And yes, all of these situations should be addressed. But they aren't drinking the blood of children.
Again a bad situation, but I believe this is generally how young teens get involved in the sex trade. Someone they trust sets them up. Now, I'm not saying that's always the case. I know that in some countries the parents are paid to give up their children for what they are usually told is going to be a better life for them. I also know of parents who are the ones who provide their young teen children for sexual activities. But still no drinking of blood.
Why Anti-Trafficking Experts Are Torching 'Sound of Freedom'
The new movie offers a “false perception” of child trafficking that experts worry could further harm the real victims
www.rollingstone.com
This article addresses some of the 'not quite really the way it is' aspects of the movie that is being promoted in this thread.
Here's an explanation of trafficking in east Tennessee. Still no blood drinking Satanists, though.
QAnon Followers Are Hijacking the #SaveTheChildren Movement (Published 2020)
Fans of the pro-Trump conspiracy theory are clogging anti-trafficking hotlines, infiltrating Facebook groups and raising false fears about child exploitation.
This one explains what's going on here on this thread. I prefer to deal in truth rather than rumor and wild unfounded accusations.
Yes, I understand and agree that the trafficking of young teens for sexual purposes is wrong and we should make efforts to stop it where we can. Yes, I understand that drug producers sometimes use unpaid children to produce their product and that should not happen and should also be stopped where we can. But none of this adds up to what is being claimed by some on this thread.
So, hopefully all understand that I'm not against valid efforts to stop human trafficking for forced labor or sexual pleasures of some. But I prefer to deal with it as it is in reality and not a bunch of scare tactics that are designed to just work people up and cause a lot of hate and division over things that just aren't the truth of the reality of what's going on.
God bless,
Ted
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You must have missed the report link that is in the info I posted . So here it is , see if it answers your questions , at 144 pages maybe it will .
Global Estimates of Modern Slavery Forced Labour and Forced Marriage
84 child victims, including an 11-year-old, rescued in sex trafficking sting, FBI says
Our country miamited .
'Operation Ohio Knows' joint task force arrests 161 and rescues 10 children
Law enforcement said 16 people being trafficked were rescued overall, including eight children. The youngest of the children was 13 years old — she has since been reunited with her family.
Sex and labor trafficking reports in South Carolina continue to increase
South Carolina , your state miamited . And my state too .
Police chief warns of human trafficking in Alabama
Did I say it did ?
Do you understand there are worse things than death . The adults and children who are victims of human trafficking have experienced these worse things .
Underage children working in McDonalds !
Over 300 minors found working at 3 McDonald's franchisees: Department of Labor
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Can't easily fly in and just drop of kids at a port and airport without documents to verify .seriously I can go overseas and come to Atlanta and have to pass customs in Ireland first and then have tps inspect my belongings and also my person.
Of course ids cam be forged etc but a gate will reduce it.thats the point .
And you apparently didn't read my response. I've already admitted that I know these issues that you bring up are real. What isn't real is this garbage about people drinking the blood of children.
Yes, there are in this life a lot of things that happen to us that seem to be worse than death. A young child whose parents aren't coming home anymore because they were killed by some crazy with firearm or some serious auto accident. For that child, in the moment, it probably seems better to them that they were dead. Parents divorcing. A child being murdered in school must surely make a parent feel like dying rather than living through the pain.
BTW, I'm not sure that a child working under age at McDonald's is worse than death, but hey, it's your story.
God bless,
Ted
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Top 20 Human Trafficking Cities in the US
From the link .
From the link .
What Rank is the US in Human Trafficking?
There are countries facing the worst human trafficking situation as well such as India with 14 million victims, China 3.2 million victims, and Pakistan with 2.1 million victims. The situation in European Union is less worse, having 7,155 human trafficking victims as of 2021. The same year, USA reported 10,360 cases, each case involving multiple human trafficking victims. The statistics imply that the US is better off than many developing economies but ranks below many advanced economies when it comes to human trafficking.Hi hawkman,
Again, I am aware of the problem of human trafficking. My complaint here is that there's a bit of hyperbole being paraded as 'fact'. The hyperbole is what I'm not in agreement with.
For a real eye-opening look at human trafficking see here:
This report covers what the U.S. State Dept. has gleaned concerning human trafficking; gives pretty clear explanations as to 'what' each charge is based on; and gives international figures of the problem around the globe. A very, very lot of the issue is a matter of how various nations address the problem or even see such activities as a problem. It's a fairly lengthy report, but does have some good info on the issue.
www.businessinsider.com
This article really lays out the problem and its magnitude. I was surprised to read that some 60% of child trafficking in the U.S. seems to be sourced from foster care. Maybe the U.S. needs to better police that system. I find it appalling that such a high percentage of a problem, I mean that's over half, isn't being addressed by finding better ways to house children who are left alone with no loving parent to care for them. Or whatever reason a child finds themselves in foster care.
I do appreciate that this problem has been brought up here among the believers and I do think that there are things that we can do to help, but globally, I doubt that we will ever rid the world of the problem. Some countries really don't have a problem with it and that's the right of a sovereign nation. While much of it is for sex trafficking, just like drug trafficking, you're not going to fix the problem unless you go after the ones using such a system. So when a government turns a blind eye to it and lets employers take advantage of others, that's a hard issue to fight...in that country.
Admittedly the sex trafficking aspect is the worst. Teenage children being used for sexual pleasures of wicked people is, to me, a lot more destructive to that child's mental and physical health than having to work. A child can be forced to work, but grow up out of it, of even be rescued from it, and able to recover their self-esteem. A child who has been forcibly used as a sexual toy will likely always be scarred the rest of their lives.
Of course, even adults who are forced to perform sexual acts against their will, will often suffer pretty major mental health and behavioral issues.
Here's one other eye-opening statistic where we could likely do better:
Since 2000, 55% of sex trafficking victims have been recruited online, typically through social media platforms, online chat rooms, messaging apps, dating apps or advertisements, the human trafficking research organization said in its report.
Finally, a good report here:
So, the battle is being enjoined here in the U.S., but I'm sure we could do better.
However, for the purposes of this discussion, as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather deal with facts rather than scare-mongering rumor and innuendo and hyperbole. No, there is no pizza shop where the Democrats are in some basement drinking the blood of children. It might be worthwhile, for those who are really trying to make this some political party issue, to find out how many of those thousands who are incarcerated for such crimes voted. What American political party they are aligned with. Let's deal with the facts rather than the lies.
God bless,
Ted
Again, I am aware of the problem of human trafficking. My complaint here is that there's a bit of hyperbole being paraded as 'fact'. The hyperbole is what I'm not in agreement with.
For a real eye-opening look at human trafficking see here:
This report covers what the U.S. State Dept. has gleaned concerning human trafficking; gives pretty clear explanations as to 'what' each charge is based on; and gives international figures of the problem around the globe. A very, very lot of the issue is a matter of how various nations address the problem or even see such activities as a problem. It's a fairly lengthy report, but does have some good info on the issue.
20 staggering facts about human trafficking in the US
We've compiled a number of staggering facts about what's really going on with human trafficking in the US, also known as modern day slavery.
www.businessinsider.com
This article really lays out the problem and its magnitude. I was surprised to read that some 60% of child trafficking in the U.S. seems to be sourced from foster care. Maybe the U.S. needs to better police that system. I find it appalling that such a high percentage of a problem, I mean that's over half, isn't being addressed by finding better ways to house children who are left alone with no loving parent to care for them. Or whatever reason a child finds themselves in foster care.
I do appreciate that this problem has been brought up here among the believers and I do think that there are things that we can do to help, but globally, I doubt that we will ever rid the world of the problem. Some countries really don't have a problem with it and that's the right of a sovereign nation. While much of it is for sex trafficking, just like drug trafficking, you're not going to fix the problem unless you go after the ones using such a system. So when a government turns a blind eye to it and lets employers take advantage of others, that's a hard issue to fight...in that country.
Admittedly the sex trafficking aspect is the worst. Teenage children being used for sexual pleasures of wicked people is, to me, a lot more destructive to that child's mental and physical health than having to work. A child can be forced to work, but grow up out of it, of even be rescued from it, and able to recover their self-esteem. A child who has been forcibly used as a sexual toy will likely always be scarred the rest of their lives.
Of course, even adults who are forced to perform sexual acts against their will, will often suffer pretty major mental health and behavioral issues.
Here's one other eye-opening statistic where we could likely do better:
Since 2000, 55% of sex trafficking victims have been recruited online, typically through social media platforms, online chat rooms, messaging apps, dating apps or advertisements, the human trafficking research organization said in its report.
Finally, a good report here:
So, the battle is being enjoined here in the U.S., but I'm sure we could do better.
However, for the purposes of this discussion, as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather deal with facts rather than scare-mongering rumor and innuendo and hyperbole. No, there is no pizza shop where the Democrats are in some basement drinking the blood of children. It might be worthwhile, for those who are really trying to make this some political party issue, to find out how many of those thousands who are incarcerated for such crimes voted. What American political party they are aligned with. Let's deal with the facts rather than the lies.
God bless,
Ted
Hi again hawkman
I may be wrong, but my understanding is that there aren't any people in any of our legislative bodies, both federal and state, who support or promote the use of early and mid teenagers for the sexual pleasure of others. So, for me, this isn't a bad Democrat/good Republican issue, but rather a question as to 'how' do we police such activity. I'm guessing that for those who think it's a border issue that they think it's only been a thing for the last 10-12 years or so...when the 'dreaded Democrats' were in charge.
However, the facts are a bit more clear that this issue has been a problem through a number of both Democratic and Republican administrations. JLB posted:
Child sexual exploitation has been a thing long before either Grump or Pres. Biden have been in office. It goes back even further than the Clinton's and the Bush's administration. In fact, as has been shown in some of the links, the world has been trying to get a handle on and deal with child sexual exploitation for at least the last 25 years. I mean the child sexual exploitation cyber tipline was started in 1998. (https://www.missingkids.org/ourwork/impact)
So for me, let's get off this political partisan hack job that this is all some problem created by the Democratic party. That just isn't true. And I'm not one to take kindly to a bunch of hyperbole designed for the purpose of turning real problems that the nation and the world face, into political party issues.
God bless,
Ted
I may be wrong, but my understanding is that there aren't any people in any of our legislative bodies, both federal and state, who support or promote the use of early and mid teenagers for the sexual pleasure of others. So, for me, this isn't a bad Democrat/good Republican issue, but rather a question as to 'how' do we police such activity. I'm guessing that for those who think it's a border issue that they think it's only been a thing for the last 10-12 years or so...when the 'dreaded Democrats' were in charge.
However, the facts are a bit more clear that this issue has been a problem through a number of both Democratic and Republican administrations. JLB posted:
I don't understand why anyone would think such a thing. What possible mental equation would bring one to the conclusion based on facts that the 'left is upset about the light being shined on this issue'.
Child sexual exploitation has been a thing long before either Grump or Pres. Biden have been in office. It goes back even further than the Clinton's and the Bush's administration. In fact, as has been shown in some of the links, the world has been trying to get a handle on and deal with child sexual exploitation for at least the last 25 years. I mean the child sexual exploitation cyber tipline was started in 1998. (https://www.missingkids.org/ourwork/impact)
So for me, let's get off this political partisan hack job that this is all some problem created by the Democratic party. That just isn't true. And I'm not one to take kindly to a bunch of hyperbole designed for the purpose of turning real problems that the nation and the world face, into political party issues.
God bless,
Ted
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I agree .
The data also shows there was a 450% increase in labor trafficking victims, with a 44% increase in victims who identified as Latinx. Overall, there was a 128% increase in the use of the National Human Trafficking Hotline. Not picking on SC but here are some facts from that state .
I am not on it . My loathing of politicos on the national scene is about equal .