Please Read This...Homosexuality

[cheeky76]

Hi,

I came across this really interesting article, and I thought I would share it with everyone. Here is the link:

http://www.thesoko.com/thesoko/article974.html

What is your opinion about this issue? Does this problem really exist? Why does God let this happen to women?

 

[destiny]

Hi,

I came across this really interesting article, and I thought I would share it with everyone. Here is the link:

http://www.thesoko.com/thesoko/article974.html

What is your opinion about this issue? Does this problem really exist? Why does God let this happen to women?

The article is a subtle way to promote male homosexuality. They got the terminology turned around backwards...It should have been LOW DOWN instead of down low, but either way would indicate living a low life.

 

[Relic]

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I suppose that now the definition of this term has been broadened to include singles who cheat on their mates.

In my neck of the woods, the term is "down low" which refers to the married men who have sex with men behind their wives backs.

One of our local investigative reporters did a segment on these men in this area who frequent Porn shops and do their thing with each other and then go home to their unsuspecting wives. It was a real shock and eye opener for much of the community. Some of the local pornography shops where warned of allowing this type of activity in their shops. These shops, in essence, were running male whore houses , men approaching men in those booths. :-? And so now as a result of this investigation the shops are subjected to surprise inspections by the authorities. A few shops were closed down because of this type of activity going on.


These type of men are outright CHEATERS who play sexual russian roulette.
I might add, they are a very dangerous breed, indeed! :


There are two parts of that article that speak a loud truth and should be sign enough for anyone to run from someone who is outright unrepentant and disrespects themselves and others with such a blatant insult as choosing this "down low" lifestyle. Not much worse than people who choose to be "swingers". :-?

Those two important points are as follows:

The whole point of the lifestyle is to live undetected.

You deserve to be with a man who is loving and committed. Do not settle for anyone who lies to you and puts your life at risk. It is not worth it.



Oh, (and I might add for the sake of fairness to those who might think we are pointing fingers only at the men) be forewarned..... there are women, these days, that are no different than the men described in these situations! This wild sexual behavior is nothing new under the sun. Sodom and Gomorrah were full of these types. Don't forget.... Sinners don't look for the goodness of God while they are "enjoying" wallowing in their sins. Yes, sins are enjoyable to those who are ignorant of the inevitable consequences. They only seek to placate the carnal and many of them are pretty much "obsessive" in their behaviors, but some, are "once in a while" type participants in this type of behavior. They think just because they only do it once or twice a year that it's no big deal. :-? These people, both the ones who do it on a "regular" basis and those who only do it "on occasion" have taken a bite off of the bait on the end of the hook of inevitable disaster in their lives. They are not only down low, but they are low down dirty rotten cheaters.. They are cheating themselves and others around them, and headed for disaster. Eyes wide open, but yet eyes wide shut! Satan knows how to catch the flesh of the ignorant!


But the wise listen to the voice of Godly counsel and follow Christ Jesus:
Luke 9:23-26
Ephesians 6:11-21

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[Poke]

As homosexuality becomes more mainstream, you can expect liberals to increasingly drop the pretense that homosexuals are born that way. Equating homosexuals with "race" is useful to knockdown resistance to homosexuality, when homosexuality is regarded as wrong. But, when homosexuality is no longer regarded as wrong, the race comparison just gets in the way of recruitment. This article is moving in that direction.

 

[moniker]

As homosexuality becomes more mainstream, you can expect liberals to increasingly drop the pretense that homosexuals are born that way. Equating homosexuals with "race" is useful to knockdown resistance to homosexuality, when homosexuality is regarded as wrong. But, when homosexuality is no longer regarded as wrong, the race comparison just gets in the way of recruitment. This article is moving in that direction.

Actually a lot of people (anectdotally) consider it to be a mix of nature and nurture, not all of one or all of the other. Being reasonable about it and appreciating the gray area doesn't make for good slogans or chants, though.

 

[LittleNipper]

Hi,

I came across this really interesting article, and I thought I would share it with everyone. Here is the link:

http://www.thesoko.com/thesoko/article974.html

What is your opinion about this issue? Does this problem really exist? Why does God let this happen to women?

The simple thing is to not have sex with anyone prior to marriage. Do not marry anyone who is pressuring you to have pre-marital sex. GOD lets this happen to women because GOD allows things to happen to men ----- It's a sick world and It isn't getting better. The only alternative GOD has is to destroy everything and start over. GOD loves HIS elect far too much to do that. and so GOD must allow things, such as this, so that other things will eventually happen which satisfy GOD's ultimate plan for humanity.

 

[Muad'Dib]

If you have free will, these things are going to happen. People will choose not to follow God's path. I don't understand why people ask how God could let something like this happen. The alternative is to force everyone to be good, or destroy them all together as said above. I doubt anyone really wants that.

 

[Poke]

Actually a lot of people (anectdotally) consider it to be a mix of nature and nurture, not all of one or all of the other. Being reasonable about it and appreciating the gray area doesn't make for good slogans or chants, though.

I don't doubt that some people have a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but so is the case for obesity and pedophilia. I don't think conditions of birth has compelled anyone to be homosexual, nor should conditions of birth be an excuse for society to promote or tolerate destructive behavior.

By equating homosexuality with race, propagandists deny it is a choice. And, if it's not a choice, it's not a moral issue. But, when homosexuality is accepted, there's no longer any point to deny that it's a choice. This article presents it as a choice, men cheating on their wives with other men out of curiosity.

Notice that the article tells wives not to expect evidence. The intent here is to tell men that they can get away with homosexual cheating. The intent also is to recruit all women into being homophile activists because a homosexual could be as close as their husband (why would a woman want to make it easier for her husband to cheat?).

 

[Steve]

Since I work with drug dealers/users in the inner city, this is a very common 'thang.' As I have always said, some people are homosexual, and I think it may very well be a genetic predisposition. Can God change a person's sexual orientation? Yes. Does He? Very, very rarely. Ergo, IMHO, if one is homosexual, I think one needs to learn to live with it, and handle his(her) sexuality in a responsible manner. I don't think God wants anybody to be a whore, be they homo or heterosexual. I give my men condoms, and I make no bones about it. I don't want them dying of some horrible disease. Yes, I mention 'abstinence' and get laughed out of my chair when I do, cuz these folks have had sexual careers since puberty. The only way to achieve sexual abstinence if one has embarked on a sexual career is by divine intervention. Just like, the only way to get a real 'cure' of the heroin addiction is by conversion. As far as the 'D.L.' business goes, I think men who are gay or bisexual need to be true to themselves and not lead some innocent woman down the primrose path, and cause all sorts of pain and problem. Men need to stop playing mind games and playing with peoples lives, hearts, and emotions.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Is anyone here gay?

If not, you really dont know a thing about what a gay person is going through.

Who knows if being gay is genetic or not? Alcoholism and other habits have a genetic basis, why not man on man love?

 

[Relic]

Is anyone here gay?

If not, you really dont know a thing about what a gay person is going through.

Who knows if being gay is genetic or not? Alcoholism and other habits have a genetic basis, why not man on man love?

It matters not what they are "going through". Christ died on the cross for them to have a way out of their sins, to OVERCOME them to GO AND SIN NO MORE. There is no excuse to continue on in the behavior.

If you want to give excuses for the homosexual as well as the alcoholic, then what about the one born addicted to heroine, or the person who thinks they are better suited to being a pedophile, or the perv who prefers bestiality? :-? There is NO excuse to continue on in sexual sin!

There is no excuse for continuing in such behavior, be it genetic or not. This is a Christian forum. It is no place to promote or excuse the homosexual behavior. According to biblical principals and standards this type of behavior is an abomination.
Genetics is no excuse. The baby born addicted to cocaine is not any different than the baby born from an alcoholic parent, be it once the substance is out of the system, there is recovery and preventative measures, If a person has a tendancy to destructive behavior wouldn't the best thing be for them to stay away from the thing that is destructive. Being addicted to something is no excuse to continue partaking in destructiveness. If destructive behavior isn't a problem then why all the recovery programs for those who suffer themselves from acting on it, or cause suffering to others? The consequences of this destructive behavior are never going to be left ignored, in spite of the denial homosexuals insist on being in. Just to mention a few of the problems involved with this abomination... perferated colons, STD's and a whole lot of other complications.

There is a cure! It's called nailing it to the cross and following Jesus!
Luke 9:23 is clear enough on what steps to take in overcoming any SIN. Just because Paul had a thorn in the flesh doesn't mean he deliberately continued to act on commiting sin.

Christians look to Jesus for overcoming! The homsexual is no different. If the homosexual person is anti-christ, then that's their stubborness taking precedence over the help of Christ Jesus. .

 

[Soma-Sight]

Relic,

Are you gay?

Have you ever struggled with the "sin"?

Have you ever been tempted to engage in a homosexual act?

Do you still struggle with it even after "nailing it to the cross"?

You speak very boldly about the "cure".... You must have some experience of the "disease"?

If not, why not? Why have you been tempted in HETEROSEXUAL ways but no HOMOSEXUAL ways?

 

[Poke]

Who knows if being gay is genetic or not? Alcoholism and other habits have a genetic basis, why not man on man love?

There is no genetic pattern to the expression of homosexuality. And, studies on identical twins, siblings with 100% the same genes, show that even if one twin is a homosexual, the other one often isn't.

Of course, critics will object and point out that if one twin is a homosexual, the other is more likely to be a homosexual. But, this is two be expected because of common environment, empathy between twins, and other factors unrelated to conditions of birth, as well some role for genetic predisposition, not genetic cause. But, twins studies prove that in most cases, if not all cases, homosexuality is a choice. And, it's an error to think that the difficulty of changing or early feelings make it not a choice. In fact, it defies all that we know about human psychology to believe that homosexuals can't change.

 

[Soma-Sight]

There is no genetic pattern to the expression of homosexuality. And, studies on identical twins, siblings with 100% the same genes, show that even if one twin is a homosexual, the other one often isn't.

Are you gay?

Have you been tempted to be gay?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"?

siblings with 100% the same genes

Does not mean the gay gene is expressed in both....

"Gay Sheep" Study
Offers Intriguing Prenatal Hormonal Link


Nov. 7, 2002 -- A study announced November 4th by a research team at Oregon Health Sciences University has investigated the brain structures of a group of rams that mate only with other rams.

Working at the US Department of Agriculture's Sheep Experiment Station in Idaho, the study's lead researcher, Dr. Charles Roselli, observed that some rams only mount other rams, not ewes. They don't actually pair-bond with these other rams like normal rams do with ewes. However, their sexual attraction is strictly same-sex.

Intrigued by this anomaly, the scientists dissected the "gay" rams' brains and found that their hypothalamus was female-like in size. Roselli believes that abnormal prenatal hormonal exposure of these rams' brains may have caused them to develop in a sex-atypical manner.

"We are not trying to explain human sexuality by this study," Dr. Roselli cautioned. "Whether this is a big component of what contributes in humans, it's still debatable."

This "gay sheep" study follows another recent study on frogs which suggests that prenatal hormonal abnormalities can distort the normal growth of tadpoles by feminizing them if they are exposed to certain environmental toxins during early development. Atrazine, a common weedkiller, was implicated in that study as the apparent cause of feminized or hermaphroditic adult frogs (frogs with both male and female sex organs).

Human sexuality is known to be much more complex that animal sexuality: humans pair-bond and develop a romantic sensibility, rather than simply responding on a physiological level to mating calls and sex odors. Their psychological bonding experiences--most critically, with same-sex parents and peers--then solidify their gender identity and sexual orientation.

But even though our sexual identity is more than a strictly biological phenomenon, studies such as these do provide an intriguing window into the mystery of what may "open the door" into homosexuality for at least some men and women--as psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover says--while that same door remains relatively closed to other people.

Further information on this study is reported at
http://msnbc.com/news/830384.asp?pne=msn

 

[peace4all]

Obviously, Being a homosexual can be due to natural things, because, if it is "free will" then animals all have free will too. There are MANY MANY animals that are homosexual, and there have been documented reports of it happening, ALL over the world (not just in the US, or canada)

do animals suddenly say "hmm, I think today I will be gay".. If so, then since they have logical thought and deicison making, why is it right to kill them, if god made them so complex and human like?

Or, are animals just sneeking up on gay humans, watching, and then replicating? I think not.......

No, I am not gay, so my input is not as good as someones who is, However I do have a gay uncle, and my brother has been on the more experimental side, and I have many friends who are openly homosexual, and I attend GLBT meetings and marches.'

If people wern't so hateful and discriminatory due to orientation, there would be no "down low" men, OR women for that matter.

 

[Poke]

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"?

I didn't have a public school telling me stories of homosexuals when I was a child. I didn't witness same-sex behavior. I was raised with values and the model of heterosexual relationships.

They don't actually pair-bond with these other rams like normal rams do with ewes. However, their sexual attraction is strictly same-sex.

There's no pair bonding. And, I'm sure there's no penetration. Heterosexual rams instinctively mount other males to demonstrate their superiority to the females. So, this appears to be more the case of the rams not following through with females rather than homosexual rams. Sounds like a sexual dysfunction that maybe Viagra would fix. (Actually, these rams have a deficiency of aromatase which processes testosterone, so a pill is probably all they need).

It's rather pathetic to defend human behavior by pointing to animals. Animals have no values, no concept of right-and-wrong. They eat their own young and do all sorts of things that humans should never tolerate with other humans. They operate mostly by instinct, with little or no learning. Still, I've never seen a good example of homosexual animals.

Enough of this drum beat studies that try to show homosexuality is caused by condition of birth, but fall far short. Let us know when something solid is found.

 

[Rick W]

It's rather pathetic to defend human behavior by pointing to animals. Animals have no values, no concept of right-and-wrong. They eat their own young and do all sorts of things that humans should never tolerate with other humans. They operate mostly by instinct, with little or no learning. Still, I've never seen a good example of homosexual animals.

From another thread on the same topic:

And before someone posts something about animals I hope we don't have to go there. I don't think comparing homosexuals to animals is very complimentary. After all, they're not animals but human beings. Animals have no moral restrictions what-so-ever operating only within the confines of immediate urge and stimuli. I really believe social morality is what separates us from the animal kingdom unless it's one's desire to act like an animal.

Justification through animalistic behavior demonstrates the willingness to abandon civilized morality to approve a sinful nature without restraint. And I'm not talking about just the practice of homosexuality either. Seems the more we advance in technology the further we regress on what most would consider an evolutionary scale. If an ape with a Dell Notebook doesn't seem ludicrous to you then you know what I'm talking about.

We are so intent to prove apes are our ancestors that we want to raise them to our level or lower ourselves to theirs or both. And maybe justifying our sexual behavior by theirs will help do that. In any case please don't ask me to applaud someone acting like an animal.

Hey Poke,
How much you wanna bet someone searches the web for homosexual animals.

 

[destiny]

LOL...good post PotLuck! So true

 

[peace4all]

teh argument using animals is not saying that "hey, animals can do it, so can't we" it is saying that it is a natural occurance, just like sneezing. It stops the "its so unnatural" argument dead in its tracks.

 

[Relic]

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It figures, this thread started out as a thread about down low men who cheat on their spouses and has turned into another argument about whether homosexuality is genetic or not . :-?
Proverbs 19:3
The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.

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What part of Luke 9:23-26 don't the "down low homosexuals" understand?

• Luke 9:23-26
  23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
  24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
  25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
  26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

And what part of 1 Corinthians 10:13 don't the down low homosexuals understand?

• 1 Corinthians 10:13
  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Since when is the homosexual excluded from transformation through the HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS? Answer: Only when they refuse to come to the Lord God for salvation from sin.

Who said it's easy or without struggle to give up our sins to the cross of Jesus, the sins we so much want to hold onto?
Soma Sight, What makes you think the homosexual is the only one who struggles so severely with "their specific thorn in the flesh"? Have you no idea what it is like to suffer on the cross of salvation! Read Luke 9:23 again! What do you think it is like to follow Jesus, to humble ourselves enough to pick up our own cross and follow him? When we HUMBLE ourselves, and OBEY the voice of the Lord God through the HOLY spirit, we will at first try to resist.
What child doesn't at first resist giving up having his own way, in spite of the good his parents know will result from the discipline?

Children of God do not go without trials and temptations, nor do the go without struggle to OVERCOME sin. JESUS came to give us SALVATION FROM SIN. He didn't come to make us suffer to only stay in the sin, He came as an example in the flesh to give us a WAY OUT OF SIN. To flee from sin by use of HIS HOLY SPIRIT. WE MUST APPLY THE SCRIPTURE even through the suffering of having to give up our sins.

1Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Pr 10:3
The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

James 1:21-25
21 Therefore rid yourselves of all sordidness and rank growth of wickedness, and welcome with meekness the implanted word that has the power to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves.
23 For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror;
24 for they look at themselves and, on going away, immediately forget what they were like.
25 But those who look into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and persevere, being not hearers who forget but doers who act - they will be blessed in their doing.

Psalm 55:22
Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.

Isaiah 25:9
And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.


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