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Please Read This...Homosexuality

Soma-Sight said:
Are you gay?

Have you been tempted to be gay?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"?

From http://dictionary.com

Soma N
An intoxicating or hallucinogenic beverage, used as an offering to the Hindu gods and consumed by participants in Vedic ritual sacrifices.

Sight N
5. Mental perception or consideration:

It appears you want to talk about this. Let me ask you Soma-Sight so that we may see your qualifications. You know, 1 John 1:9 just might be the first step :wink:

Are you gay Soma-Sight?

Have you been tempted to be gay Soma-Sight?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder" Soma-Sight?

I await your response.
 
peace4all said:
teh argument using animals is not saying that "hey, animals can do it, so can't we" it is saying that it is a natural occurance, just like sneezing. It stops the "its so unnatural" argument dead in its tracks.

Sorry, P4a, there are no examples of healthy animals that really prefer the same sex. And, even if animals did it, it would still be unnatural because that's now how the human body is designed to be.
 
http://data.unaids.org/Publications/IRC ... 000_en.pdf

Penetrative anal sex frequently
occurs in sex between men. If
HIV is present in the insertive
partner, and if condoms are not
used, then anal sex carries an
especially high risk of HIV
transmission for the receptive
partner. The risk to a receptive
partner in unprotected anal sex is
several times higher than the
next most risky category, that of a
woman having unprotected
vaginal intercourse with an HIVinfected
man. The reason for this
is that the lining of the rectum is
thin and can easily tear – and
even only small lesions in the
lining are sufficient to allow the
virus easy access. Even without
lesions, it has been postulated
that there might be a lower
natural immunity in the cells of
the rectal lining to resist HIV than
there is, for instance, in the lining
of the vagina. There is also a risk
of HIV infection from unprotected
anal intercourse, though a lesser
one, for the insertive partner.
(See Detels, R, “The contributions


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/815589/posts

First, men having sex with men are practicing anal intercourse, or sodomy. The anus and rectum are not suited to receive the penis. The anus functions to control emission of gases and expulsion of feces from the intestine. The ring of muscles called the anal sphincter serves as a valve, meant to direct one-way expulsion. The excretory system carries waste, putrefying matter, and live disease captured and expelled by the body¹s defenses. These organs are designed wondrously for expulsion, not penetration. When penetrated by the penis, the anus and rectum reflexively contract. But neither of these organs secrete any lubrication, as does the female vagina. Anal intercourse results in minute tears and lesions deep in these delicate interior tissues, causing bleeding and giving disease germs and virus return access to the man¹s bloodstream.
 
There are a couple of animals that engage in homosexual behavior, dophines are one and another is in the bird family, but I forgot which one. But hey I just found this below.

Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
James Owen in London
for National Geographic News
July 23, 2004

Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. So go the lyrics penned by U.S. songwriter Cole Porter.

Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thingâ€â€sex between a male and female.

But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behaviorâ€â€entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)

The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.

"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."

Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.

She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success. Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another femaleâ€â€if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."

Sexual Gratification

On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."

Matthew Grober, biology professor at Georgia State University, agrees, saying, "If [sex] wasn't fun, we wouldn't have any kids around. So I think that maybe Japanese macaques have taken the fun aspect of sex and really run with it."


The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.

Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.

"There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is bound to be used against people who insist such behavior is unnatural.

In the U.S., in particular, the moral debate over this issue rages on. Many on the religious right regard homosexuality as a sin. And only this month, President Bush vowed to continue his bid to ban gay marriages after the Senate blocked the proposal.

Already, cases of animal homosexuality have been cited in successful court cases brought against states like Texas, where gay sex was, until recently, illegal.

Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.

Human Homosexuality

So how far can we go in using animals to help us understand human homosexuality? Robin Dunbar is a professor of evolutionary psychology at the University of Liverpool, England. "The bottom line is that anything that happens in other primates, and particularly other apes, is likely to have strong evolutionary continuity with what happens in humans," he said.

Dunbar says the bonobo's use of homosexual activity for social bonding is a possible example, adding, "One of the main arguments for human homosexual behavior is that it helps bond male groups together, particularly where a group of individuals are dependent on each other, as they might be in hunting or warfare."

For instance, the Spartans, in ancient Greece, encouraged homosexuality among their elite troops. "They had the not unreasonable belief that individuals would stick by and make all efforts to rescue other individuals if they had a lover relationship," Dunbar added.

Another suggestion is that homosexuality is a developmental phase people go through. He said, "This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."

But he adds that homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to have a function. It could be a spin-off or by-product of something else and in itself carries no evolutionary weight."

He cites sexual gratification, which encourages procreation, as an example. "An organism is designed to maximize its motivational systems," he adds.

In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.

He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... nimal.html

Also check this out below.

Do Homosexual Animals Prove That Human Homosexuality is "Normal"?
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ295.HTM

The Animal Homosexuality Myth
http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

The Gay Animal Kingdom

The effeminate sheep & other problems with Darwinian sexual selection.
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/0 ... ge=all&p=y
 
Lewis W said:
There are a couple of animals that engage in homosexual behavior, dophines are one

Dolphins are somewhat bisexual. But, male and female dolphins are practically indistinguishable. There are no dolphins that prefer the same sex. There are no healthy homosexual animals. When you find one, let me know. And, stop wasting our time with nonsense.
 
Poke said:
... It's rather pathetic to defend human behavior by pointing to animals. Animals have no values, no concept of right-and-wrong. They eat their own young and do all sorts of things that humans should never tolerate with other humans. They operate mostly by instinct, with little or no learning. ...


PotLuck said:
Hey Poke,
How much you wanna bet someone searches the web for homosexual animals.
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Yep. Ya got that right!



You can talk to the stubborn homosexuals, the down low, low down dirty rotten cheaters and the people that are advocates for them until kingdom come, prove to them that many homosexuals end up with having to live the rest of their lives attached to a bag full of their own waste because of their intestines have been destroyed and dysfunctional, no longer able to function properly, having to be removed because of the damage and because of the irreparable perforations. All because of their own sexual preference and rebellion against the HOLY WORD OF GOD. All because of their choice to IGNORE the Godly counsel of the HOLY SPIRIT. But that won't stop them will it. :sad So then, inevitably, they will have to pay the price of the consequences that go along with the sin because they refused to "Go and Sin no more". Let see, how many men have died from AIDS? How many people have died from sexual diseases because of rebellion to listen to the HOLY WORD OF GOD?
Fornication is of the devil. But then we, who are showing the truth in scriptures to them are accused of being Holy rollers, and wacko, and prejudice and judgemental and whatever else names they think up to try and justify their living in a lie. :roll:

And the argument goes on and on and on and on..... :-?


They just IGNORE THE SCRIPTURES to rely on and ignore the HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH. :-? They would rather believe and live a lie than rely on the truth of the Spirit of God.


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Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.
While I don't this to be a fact (must look into this) I do know this:

Dolphins, when a male and female mate, they mate for LIFE! If one dies or for some reason they are seperated, they suffer all the emotions known to us. They remain alone for the remainder of their life.

Hmm, we could learn something from them, heh? It seems their "divorce rate" is Zero. 8-)

Interesting too is the fact that they are one of the few animal species that have sex for pleasure. It's not just some innate act.
 
Soma N
An intoxicating or hallucinogenic beverage, used as an offering to the Hindu gods and consumed by participants in Vedic ritual sacrifices.

This is known as Amanita Muscaria.

I am not a fan of this drink personally although it is entheogenic.

Sight N
5. Mental perception or consideration:

Correct.....

Are you gay Soma-Sight?

No.

Have you been tempted to be gay Soma-Sight?

I have been hit on (sort of) by a gay man but never considered it.

Men are hairy, gross and not female.

Thats about it for me..... :oops:

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder" Soma-Sight?

Because I believe there IS a physiological basis to it.

The media can bombard me all they want to "try gayness out" but it will make no difference.

To me personally being gay would entitle sliding a square block in a circular hole. :wink:

Or getting a dog to meow or a cat to bark.

The potential is LACKING in me and I believe this is due to an INTRINSIC factor that probably involves genetics.

But dont get me wrong..... I have been tempted by just about every other "sin" you can think of. The fact that I have never had even an inkling to be gay tells me that it is because BEING GAY IS LARGELY OUT OF YOUR HANDS.

Hope that qualifies as a good answer for you all.......

By the way I watched Brokeback mountain and wanted to HURL - that is THROW UP!!!!!!!! :oops:
 
I do have a quick question.


Does anyone here consider being a Lesbian, to also be homosexual? Because, I never see anything about females that are homosexual, only males. Only, Ever, Males.

Is this due to the fact that men are more accepting to 2 females engaged in intimate acts, than 2 men?

A poll conducted in my highschool Gay straight alliance (we polled the entire school and received abotu 75% of the questionaires back) 89% of men said that they had no problem with lesbians, but 75% said they had a problem with gay males. (for females, it was about 50-50 for both groups, if they accepted gay males, they accepted gay females too.

Could it be that men are threatened by other men, but not by women?
 
Soma-Sight said:
Are you gay?

How would you take it if I asked if you were a serial killing child molester? Maybe if I dress it up in an euphemism that is an unrelated term. Are you fun?

If not, are you a homipedophobe?
 
How would you take it if I asked if you were a serial killing child molester? Maybe if I dress it up in an euphemism that is an unrelated term. Are you fun?

If not, are you a homipedophobe?

Whats wrong with a little honesty around here!

Since yall are all experts on what a gay person needs to do to "fix" their problem..... the only logical conclusion we can make is that you have experienced this problem yourself!!!!!

And if you havent and are just being arrogant.....

Silence should be your path to compassion on the matter!


And if I was a serial killing child molester you would be wise to know this info!!!!
 
Well I posted something in another thread about this same thing and I'll post it here too.

2.) Anyone who claims that homosexuals are born that way and actually believes it is an outright idiot! Even if born that way was true we could just start using the same excuse to condone all sorts of immoral and wrong acts. It's not his fault he murders people because he was born that way, it's not his fault he molests small children he was born that way, it's not his fault that he's a drunkard, liar, or whatever other immmoral and wrong thing you can think of because he was born that way. Saying it's okay to be gay because you were born that way isn't just the sign of someone who is certainly not a true Christian but also a sign of stupidity or ignorance. Even modern science has debunked the claims of born that way.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet5.html

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

So if you won't believe the Bible that such things are wrong then maybe you might listen facts. Even without the facts just a little common sense would tell you that gays are not born that way, if they were were coming out as hermaphrodite's it might be believable.

3.) Homosexuality is wrong, see above for scientific proof and see your Bible for scriptual proof. Anyone who claims otherwise is going against God and should really re-think the direction they are taking and repent accepting Jesus as their one and only saviour.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Corinthians 6:12

Isaiah 5:19-23

That is just a few to get you started, if you want more there are plenty available. If you call yourself a Christian and still support Homosexuality you have some serious problems that you should be praying about.

4.) Tsk Tsk Peac4All, for someone so concerned about the health risks of smoking you sure are not concerned about homosexuals. Homosexuals spread disease, it is a very unhealthy act which in itself should point out to you how wrong it is. HIV was originally called Gay Cancer because that is the community of degenerates who started it's spread. HIV was spread into the non-gay community in several different ways including Bi-sexuals and blood transfers.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl ... o0075.html

http://www.wpaag.org/Homosexuals%20and% ... rriage.htm

http://www.pathlights.com/Public%20Enem ... -sheet.htm
 
StoveBolts said:
Soma-Sight said:
Are you gay?

Have you been tempted to be gay?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"?

From http://dictionary.com

Soma N
An intoxicating or hallucinogenic beverage, used as an offering to the Hindu gods and consumed by participants in Vedic ritual sacrifices.

Sight N
5. Mental perception or consideration:

It appears you want to talk about this. Let me ask you Soma-Sight so that we may see your qualifications. You know, 1 John 1:9 just might be the first step :wink:

Are you gay Soma-Sight?

Have you been tempted to be gay Soma-Sight?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder" Soma-Sight?

I await your response.

You speak of honesty, yet you bypass my questions?

You asked

1. Are you gay
NO

2. Have you been tempted to be gay
Yes, I lived with a guy when I was in my late teens (His name was David Hoffman, he died of Aids). Even thoght that I loved the guy.

3. Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"

I have been tempted, I also gave way to that temptation and I can tell you that the disorder that you speak about is non other than sin. Yes Soma, sin is a disorder and it is treatable with the blood of Christ.

My conclusion? I agree with everything that Relic has posted. Thank you Relic.

BTW
Tag, your it. Did you get your fix of chaos today? Sometimes I think this is all just a big joke to you :crying:
 
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Notice how the scriptural references given throughout this thread, so far, that are helpful in spiritual guidance and in OVERCOMING sin have just been ignored by those who advocate for the homosexual behavior.

Relic said:
But the wise listen to the voice of Godly counsel and follow Christ Jesus:
Luke 9:23-26
Ephesians 6:11-21
Relic said:
There is a cure! It's called nailing it to the cross and following Jesus!
Luke 9:23 is clear enough on what steps to take in overcoming any SIN. Just because Paul had a thorn in the flesh doesn't mean he deliberately continued to act on commiting sin.

Christians look to Jesus for overcoming! The homsexual is no different. If the homosexual person is anti-christ, then that's their stubborness taking precedence over the help of Christ Jesus.
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Relic said:
Proverbs 19:3
The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.

--

What part of Luke 9:23-26 don't the "down low homosexuals" understand?

Luke 9:23-26
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.


And what part of 1 Corinthians 10:13 don't the down low homosexuals understand?

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Since when is the homosexual excluded from transformation through the HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS? Answer: Only when they refuse to come to the Lord God for salvation from sin.


1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Proverbs 10:3
The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
James 1:21-25
21 Therefore rid yourselves of all sordidness and rank growth of wickedness, and welcome with meekness the implanted word that has the power to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves.
23 For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror;
24 for they look at themselves and, on going away, immediately forget what they were like.
25 But those who look into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and persevere, being not hearers who forget but doers who act - they will be blessed in their doing.


Psalm 55:22
Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.

Isaiah 25:9
And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
StoveBolts said:
... You know, 1 John 1:9 just might be the first step
Rob said:
.... 3.) Homosexuality is wrong, see above for scientific proof and see your Bible for scriptual proof. Anyone who claims otherwise is going against God and should really re-think the direction they are taking and repent accepting Jesus as their one and only saviour.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Corinthians 6:12

Isaiah 5:19-23

That is just a few to get you started, if you want more there are plenty available. If you call yourself a Christian and still support Homosexuality you have some serious problems that you should be praying about.


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StoveBolts said:
StoveBolts said:
Soma-Sight said:
Are you gay?

Have you been tempted to be gay?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"?

From http://dictionary.com

Soma N
An intoxicating or hallucinogenic beverage, used as an offering to the Hindu gods and consumed by participants in Vedic ritual sacrifices.

Sight N
5. Mental perception or consideration:

It appears you want to talk about this. Let me ask you Soma-Sight so that we may see your qualifications. You know, 1 John 1:9 just might be the first step :wink:

Are you gay Soma-Sight?

Have you been tempted to be gay Soma-Sight?

Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder" Soma-Sight?

I await your response.

You speak of honesty, yet you bypass my questions?

You asked

1. Are you gay
NO

2. Have you been tempted to be gay
Yes, I lived with a guy when I was in my late teens (His name was David Hoffman, he died of Aids). Even thoght that I loved the guy.

3. Why have you NOT been tempted if there is no physiological basis to the "disorder"

I have been tempted, I also gave way to that temptation and I can tell you that the disorder that you speak about is non other than sin. Yes Soma, sin is a disorder and it is treatable with the blood of Christ.

My conclusion? I agree with everything that Relic has posted. Thank you Relic.

BTW
Tag, your it. Did you get your fix of chaos today? Sometimes I think this is all just a big joke to you :crying:

Yeah, I've also had the same thoughts about this all being a big joke to Soma Sight. He creates threads that do nothing but provoke much controversy in a Christian Forum. Even admitting in one thread that he was playing the devils advocate. :-?


Jeff,
I appreciate your honesty and courage to come forward with your testimony.

StoveBolts said:
I have been tempted, I also gave way to that temptation and I can tell you that the disorder that you speak about is non other than sin. Yes Soma, sin is a disorder and it is treatable with the blood of Christ.

Ditto!

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peace4all said:
I do have a quick question.


Does anyone here consider being a Lesbian, to also be homosexual? Because, I never see anything about females that are homosexual, only males. Only, Ever, Males.

Is this due to the fact that men are more accepting to 2 females engaged in intimate acts, than 2 men?

A poll conducted in my highschool Gay straight alliance (we polled the entire school and received abotu 75% of the questionaires back) 89% of men said that they had no problem with lesbians, but 75% said they had a problem with gay males. (for females, it was about 50-50 for both groups, if they accepted gay males, they accepted gay females too.

Could it be that men are threatened by other men, but not by women?
Here in Philly it seems to be more lesbian woman than gay men. And around here where I live there are lesbians to spare. As a matter of fact all over this city. And it could be because the gay males, well a lot of them still keep it on the down low, more so than the women.
 
so rob, if it is false to say that one is born gay, due to the fact you could also say that you were born a murderer, are peopel born straight? or is being straight a choice people chose to make.

and if so, Why is it a choice that is better than being a homosexual?

The bible?

sure, we can all agree that being a homosexual is not biblicly acceptable. However, what right do you have to tell someone else they can't be a homosexual, because of your religion.

People on this forum fight to the last drop that it is WRONG for muslims to make women wear burkas and it is WRONG for them to bar TV and other things. Yet, you turn around and tell people it is WRONG for them to do things that aren't your way.

Do i taste hypocritical discrimination?

If being a homosexual hurt someone besides the 2 consenting adults, then, and only then should it be in the same category as murder and pedophilia.
 
Man nobody is born gay, that I am a woman trapped in a mans body, is garbage. Being gay is a learned behavior.
 
Yeah, I've also had the same thoughts about this all being a big joke to Soma Sight. He creates threads that do nothing but provoke much controversy in a Christian Forum. Even admitting in one thread that he was playing the devils advocate.

I am an agent of Chaos in a world of mendacity and mediocrity.....

Seriously though, all I am trying to say here, all I am trying to get across is the fact that you really dont KNOW what another person is going through and WHY.

Especially on the manner of sexual orientation which is a "gray' area to begin with.

Some people are born with both sex organs (although one is typically non functional) so is it a far stretch to assume that someone may be born "defective" in terms of orientation?

Many people are born ugly or stupid so is it a leap of imagination that someone is "born" gay?

But the fact remains that man on man sex disgusts me personally although woman on woman doesnt in most cases) :oops: and I think gayness is wrong FOR ME and I dont ADVOCATE IT!

But I also dont go around 'preaching' to gays because in all fairness they HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE ANYWAYS from some fundy radio station or media outlet.

They can make there own decisions on the matter!
 
Even admitting in one thread that he was playing the devils advocate.
Heh, you know I do that a lot. I've even admitted to you I do that. :wink:


Ooh, oh! Now everybody knows! :oops:


8-)
 
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