Poll and thread question: tattoo parlor voucher suitable Christmas/18th b-day gift?

[farouk]

So here's a poll, folks; sometimes it's so hard to know what to buy young ppl. But tattoos are so popular; and they can be in faith related designs, too; so:

Do ppl think a tattoo parlor voucher makes a suitable Christmas/18th b-day gift?

Any responses/votes?

 

[handy]

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No to the tatts. To me, there is a big difference between piercings and tatts, and that difference is that if one changes ones attitudes in life (a common happening with Christians, to be sure) one might want to change ones appearance. This is easy enough with piercings, just stop wearing the rings/studs and the holes close up.

Tatts, not so easy.

I'm not against tatts for any particular spiritual reason...this is an issue that the Scriptures are quiet on. I know there is a verse in Leviticus or something but that text is speaking about idol worship, not body decoration.

But, you're talking to someone that doesn't even put bumper stickers on her car. Just don't like to put permanent markings on important things.

 

[farouk]

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handy:

Often if the parent doesn't have one, this will affect whether they will be open to give a tat voucher or not, I guess.

I guess it doesn't have to be a big one; often the small ones are preferred for starters. Like I said, some are in faith designs. FYI, I saw this from an article a lady wrote:

"The demand for tattoos among women has grown exceptionally. One of the most popular places that girls love to get tattooed is their wrist. This is mainly because wrist is a visible part of our body. Girls often use fashionable wrist jewelery to have a stylish look. Most of the girls don't leave their wrist bare and completely utilize it to add a unique fashion element to their appearance. .. Remember that tattoos are one of the best ways to express yourself. Wrist tattoos for girls are a great place to initiate the tattoo journey." Mamta Mule - Buzzle Author

But handy anyway you must know what's best for your family.

 

[followerofchrist76]

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I have several tattos and plan on getting several more, i believe they are a beautiful way to express ones self, but as a person who recieved many of her 1st tats at a VERY young age and now regrets them. I am against young ppl getting tats because from the ages of 14-21 we are the most confused we are likely to ever be, that is such a learning, growing period in our lives. Why put something permaneant on your body when you cant even decide who u want as a boyfriend this week or what you want to do for a living? I am just saying if you still want the tat once ur a lil more mature than great!! Go get it, i love getting new tats but chances are if you do wait you probably will have changed what you wanted to get atleast 20x if you even want one anymore at all.:shocked!

 

[Igor]

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Great Idea for the pole as I'm anxious to read other's opinions on this here!

I picked 50/50 because to me it's a matter of the recipients level of maturity and wisdom in selecting the tattoo and it's location, as well as your personal taste. (Why give one if yo don't like them yourself?) But getting a tattoo in and of itself isn't wrong.

As Handy said, the scriptures are silent. The verse in Leviticus that I have heard some legalists use to prohibit tattoos ("Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD." Lev 19:28), if read in context, is among a list of things that were practiced by pagans in the area as part of thier idol worship. If we take the instructions of Lev 19 out of that context, then we can’t interbreed cattle or put more than one crop on one field, can’t wear wool an linen together, need to find out how old the trees are that our fruit comes from and avoid any from trees younger than 5 years, can’t get haircuts or shave/trim beards, etc, etc.

There is no general prohibition of tattoos here, only a prohibition against using tattoos (and many other things) as part of pagan rituals. It really is a matter of personal taste. If you have no problem with the person having a tattoo, and feel he/she is wanting one for the right reasons, then I can't see why there should be any problem giving one for a gift. Even my pastor's wife has a tattoo!!!

 

[farouk]

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.... It really is a matter of personal taste. If you have no problem with the person having a tattoo, and feel he/she is wanting one for the right reasons, then I can't see why there should be any problem giving one for a gift. Even my pastor's wife has a tattoo!!!

Igor:

I guess it's not surprising that she does, because so many ladies do. When it comes to Christian ladies, (and men), often the motivation is for faith related display purposes as much as for taste in fashion. (Would your pastor's wife's be in a faith related design, as it happens?)

But I guess part of the emphasis of the poll question was as a gift for 18 year olds / young ppl. I guess at around 18 some ppl know their minds well as to what design they want; others aren't sure; and maybe it takes some wisdom on the part of the voucher donor to figure tactfully if they are 'ready'. (If this makes sense?)

Ty for your response, anyway, and God bless your holiday weekend.

 

[PouringRain]

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I am not against tattoos, especially provided they are tastefully done, and most of the time, hidden. :D

On a more serious note, I voted no for some of the same reasons I voted no about piercings for my sons. I have known too many people who got tattoos at a young age and later regretted it. If someone is 18 and wants to get their own tattoo, then that is their prerogative, but I don't have to contribute by giving them a gift certificate to have it done.

Why? So, later when they regret having it done they can blame me for giving them the loaded gun to shoot themself with?

 

[Mike]

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Farouk, I mean this with good-natured humor. I think you're the only one who would post this poll.

I can honestly say this would be about the very last thing that could possibly cross my mind when considering Christmas or birthday gifts! I mean... it's behind giving them a pet goat or a voucher for a pet rock. A voucher for a tattoo? People do that?

You know I love ya, bro! I just had to laugh! That would be "no" for me.

 

[farouk]

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I am not against tattoos, especially provided they are tastefully done, and most of the time, hidden. :D

On a more serious note, I voted no for some of the same reasons I voted no about piercings for my sons. I have known too many people who got tattoos at a young age and later regretted it. If someone is 18 and wants to get their own tattoo, then that is their prerogative, but I don't have to contribute by giving them a gift certificate to have it done.

Why? So, later when they regret having it done they can blame me for giving them the loaded gun to shoot themself with?

PouringRain:

I can certainly follow and sympathize with to some extent with what you are saying.

But also, I think that your viewpoint is somewhat in the context of someone who (presumably) does not have tattoos herself, and so the whole issue does not present itself so acutely of what to do and how to 'manage' somewhat the young person's introduction to the world of ink (whether guardedly to encourage and thereby control the process/hygiene at 18 or whenever, or say, no! no! no! to a young person who wants one and may end up going to some dubious establishment which is not properly regulated and hygienic).

Does this, too, make any sense to you?

 

[PouringRain]

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PouringRain:

I can certainly follow and sympathize with to some extent with what you are saying.

But also, I think that your viewpoint is somewhat in the context of someone who (presumably) does not have tattoos herself, and so the whole issue does not present itself so acutely of what to do and how to 'manage' somewhat the young person's introduction to the world of ink (whether guardedly to encourage and thereby control the process/hygiene at 18 or whenever, or say, no! no! no! to a young person who wants one and may end up going to some dubious establishment which is not properly regulated and hygienic).

Does this, too, make any sense to you?

Your assumptions and logic never works for me..... ;) But none of it is personal.

 

[PouringRain]

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I was going to point out that you said the same thing in the one piercing thread, to which I replied that if my son was not dumb enough to use an unsterilized needle, then any resulting infection was deserved.

But no, I could not prevent someone who is 18 from getting a tattoo-- it is their decision to make-- but I don't have to put the gift certificate in their hand..... and if they choose to go to an unsanitary place then that is their own choice and they must live with any consequence to their actions.

.... and as to the question of if I have a tattoo or not, you should know by now that it is not something I would share publicly.

 

[farouk]

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Your assumptions and logic never works for me..... ;) But none of it is personal.

PouringRain:

I guess what I meant was, in brief, would you prefer to see the young person get tattooed in private in a dubious establishment?

Or maybe take the opportunity of checking out the parlor yourself, and maybe giving a voucher as a gift, but making sure it was from an establishment that you had confidence in?

(Two cents', re. a common scenario among parents of a certain age, I guess...)

 

[farouk]

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I was going to point out that you said the same thing in the one piercing thread, to which I replied that if my son was not dumb enough to use an unsterilized needle, then any resulting infection was deserved.

But no, I could not prevent someone who is 18 from getting a tattoo-- it is their decision to make-- but I don't have to put the gift certificate in their hand..... and if they choose to go to an unsanitary place then that is their own choice and they must live with any consequence to their actions.

.... and as to the question of if I have a tattoo or not, you should know by now that it is not something I would share publicly.

PouringRain:

I think we posted at around the same time, above...

Without wanting to talk about what you would regard as a non public piece of information, the fact is that parents with tattoos of their own might well take a somewhat different view of 'managing' the whole introduction of their young people to the world of ink.

Some of the infections can be really nasty, actually, if proper precautions are not taken, but for most ppl it can be a hygienic and satisfying process especially if the guidance of sensible older ppl is obtained in a reasonably active, if not controlling, way.

Hope this makes some sort of sense, anyway.

 

[PouringRain]

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PouringRain:

I guess what I meant was, in brief, would you prefer to see the young person get tattooed in private in a dubious establishment?

Or maybe take the opportunity of checking out the parlor yourself, and maybe giving a voucher as a gift, but making sure it was from an establishment that you had confidence in?

(Two cents', re. a common scenario among parents of a certain age, I guess...)

The manner in which a person chooses to become tattooed is of no interest to me. Since it is their choice, then any resulting consequence comes about from their own choices. We all make choices in life, and must live with any consequences.

If the person chooses to give themself a tattoo.... then that is their choice.

 

[farouk]

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PouringRain:

Okay.

HIV is one of the infections that occasionally can be picked up but it's RARE indeed in a proper establishment that is regulated and controlled.

But I respect your comments.

 

[farouk]

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...A voucher for a tattoo? People do that?

You know I love ya, bro! I just had to laugh! That would be "no" for me.

Mike:

Yes. Just type in "tattoo" and "certificate" in a search engine and you'll see.

 

[PouringRain]

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PouringRain:

I think we posted at around the same time, above...

Without wanting to talk about what you would regard as a non public piece of information, the fact is that parents with tattoos of their own might well take a somewhat different view of 'managing' the whole introduction of their young people to the world of ink.

Some of the infections can be really nasty, actually, if proper precautions are not taken, but for most ppl it can be a hygienic and satisfying process especially if the guidance of sensible older ppl is obtained in a reasonably active, if not controlling, way.

Hope this makes some sort of sense, anyway.

It makes sense, it is just not something I would do at all. You can ask the question about dozens of scenarios (piercing, tattoos, suicide, drugs, sex, etc.) and my answer will not change. I have seen people use your same logic applied to all of those areas and more. Some parents don't mind giving their child alcohol or even drugs, because they have the attitude that they would rather have their child doing it at home, where they know their child is safe and they can monitor said child, than to not know where their child is or what said child is doing. I have seen mothers say they would rather their daughter sleep with her bf under her roof, since the daughter is going to anyhow, and at least she can make sure they are using protection and going about it safely.

I believe strongly that people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Part of taking responsibility is properly dealing with the consequences to choices made.

 

[farouk]

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It makes sense, it is just not something I would do at all. You can ask the question about dozens of scenarios (piercing, tattoos, suicide, drugs, sex, etc.) and my answer will not change. I have seen people use your same logic applied to all of those areas and more. Some parents don't mind giving their child alcohol or even drugs, because they have the attitude that they would rather have their child doing it at home, where they know their child is safe and they can monitor said child, than to not know where their child is or what said child is doing. I have seen mothers say they would rather their daughter sleep with her bf under her roof, since the daughter is going to anyhow, and at least she can make sure they are using protection and going about it safely.

I believe strongly that people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Part of taking responsibility is properly dealing with the consequences to choices made.

PouringRain:

Thanks for your further comments.

I guess I would regard things like earrings ; illegal drugs ; a small tattoo in a clean establishment ; HIV through sheer carelessness (etc) as rather distinct scenarios, as apples and oranges in some cases.

My thought would also be that 18 may be the legal age of responsibility in many areas, but a 17 year old's judgment and a 19 year old's may be fairly similar, since they lack experience and therefore levels of advice can always come in very useful. But I follow what you are saying, too.

 

[PouringRain]

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My thought would also be that 18 may be the legal age of responsibility in many areas, but a 17 year old's judgment and a 19 year old's may be fairly similar, since they lack experience and therefore levels of advice can always come in very useful. But I follow what you are saying, too.

I agree with you here, and I would even extend that age range on both ends.

 

[farouk]

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I agree with you here, and I would even extend that age range on both ends.

PouringRain:

So my thought would also be, in some circumstances, rather than regard 18 as an 'all or nothing' horizon, when a young person gets left to his or her own devices, a bit of advice as to what to look for in a tattoo parlor, etc. can come in useful for them.

A tattooed parent would maybe be especially proactive in this regard.