Poll only for oneness or against

[willow the wip]

please bring your vote thanks i would apreciate it

this is a no reply poll only a voting one

 

[WyldCyde]

How about another vote called "is trinity false teaching?"
I would answer yes to that and yes to oneness being false.

 

[evanman]

no discussion

 

[lakesider]

what is the concept of oneness

 

[Rose of Sharon]

what is the concept of oneness

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Be happy to oblige. :D

There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit).
God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation.
He is the First and the Last, and beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).
There was no God formed before Him; neither shall be there any after Him (Isaiah 43:10).
Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1:23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16);He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty Revelation 1:8;the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6).
Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:7-11) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us, for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, "Beside me there is no Saviour." When He came in flesh the angels sang, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).
The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the comforter, Sustainer, and keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11).

 

[Veritas]

Rose, I agree with you that those verses do a wonderful job in describing the fact that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Also, that they are one God. However, it is only part of the picture. The baptism of Christ does show the difference between the persons.

As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." Mat 4:16-17
The same baptism is described in Mark 1:9-11, Luke 3:21-22, and John 1:32-33

Here is what I deduct from the verses you gave me and the ones I posted as well"

The Father is God
Jesus is God
the Holy Spirit is God

However, at the same time, the Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.

Yes, it doesn't really make sense to us, but that is really what scripture implies. We shouldn't really be suprised that we can't comprehend the nature of God. It is God we are talking about right?

 

[Veritas]

Willow, I'm sorry. I did not see your post about replying until now. Should I bring my discussion with Rose elsewhere?

 

[justjake]

I don't know anything about it, except that I have heard it is bad. I don't take that at face value, so I didn't vote.

If you had added an option called "I have never studied it and therefore don't have enough information to answer" I would have picked that one!

 

[willow the wip]

I wish people esp you rose respect my wishes on this poll this is not to tell u or any one off in here im not mad at any one but i made it quite clear I will open a new thread so if you wish to have a discussion about oneness then please by all means use it in there I would love to see other people in volved in that thanks.

I said I only wanted people to vote.

 

[Rose of Sharon]

I wish people esp you rose respect my wishes on this poll this is not to tell u or any one off in here im not mad at any one but i made it quite clear I will open a new thread so if you wish to have a discussion about oneness then please by all means use it in there I would love to see other people in volved in that thanks.

I said I only wanted people to vote.

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I apologize, I just wanted to answer Lakesiders question who Is a mod.

 

[Rebecka]

like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice

Please explain using Scripture how "a voice" and a "like a dove" are persons?

You are using this passage to prove three persons then answer my sincere question.

I'm really wondering about this. Please explain it to me, how these are person?

How is a person poured out?

God poured out the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost, so how can a person be poured out?

God said he would "pour out of his spirit.." not pour out a person on all flesh...

Joel said it and Peter quoted Joel in Acts 2.
Please explain this to me.

 

[Free]

Rebecka,

Look at the two posts above.

 

[donadams]

Christ not the Father who ascended into heaven!

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

“Received up into glory”!

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Christ was received up into glory!
God was received up into glory!

Jesus Christ the 2nd person of the holy trinity is God!



“AND”

God And Jesus Christ:

Does not imply Jesus is not God.
Unity of the Father and the Son.

The Father is in the son; and the
Son is in the father.

Dogma: divinely revealed truth; taught by the apostolic church.
(Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3)

41. The Three Divine Persons are in One Another.

3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.


John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 10:38
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

1 Corinthians 1:3
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:2
Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:3
Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Apostles Creed

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord…

1 Jn 1:1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 Jn 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.



Isaiah 14:7
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus is God with us, and Mary His mother is mother of God!

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the governmentshall be upon his shoulder: and hisname shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Dan 7:13-14
. . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a
son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never
be destroyed.

● Phil 2:9-11 . . God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Blessed Trinity!

 

[Free]

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