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Tzalam

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Bible Truths:
The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, complete and whole and fully His revelation.
Jesus is the Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, suffering for our sins and being raised again on the third day.
Faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible.

The Old Testament taught that the Saviour would be born of a virgin.
Jesus Christ was and is sinless.
Christ taught that He existed before the time of the incarnation, and that He had come from the Father.
There is no limit to the power of God.
The Name of Jesus is above all names, all power is given unto Him.
It is impossible to believe in Jesus Christ without accepting the Old Testament writings as the Word of God.
The student of the Bible needs the Holy Spirit to illumine the Word of God.
The natural man can not expect to understand Bible truths.
No believer needs to DEPEND on human instruction. Read 1 John 2:27, John 16:13, and John 14:26.
This does not mean that one can understand everything at once. Leave your difficulties with God until He is pleased to give you better light.
Remember Deuteronomy 29:29 - "The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us"
 
Triune God - Sorry not a truth.

The OT allso teaches that there is only ONE God:

Deu 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

We went from God telling the Jews over and over again, that
there is only ONE God. To now preaching a "Triune God".

I do belive the rest of what you wrote ;-)
 
supernac, what church, synagogue, or mosque do you attend?

not the physical address, but, DO you attend any formal type
of worship service?
 
Jesus said, in His Word, His HOLY Word, the Bible, several times, that He, God, and the Holy Spirit are all One and the same.
Kind of like you having a soul, and a body.
You DO have a soul, you believe that, right?

In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are One."
Jesus also said He was the Son of God, and the Jews tried to kill Jesus because of that.

I am positive you aren't born again. If you were, you'd be fully able to comprehend the fact that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One.
And, since I'm talking to a person who COULD have the capacity to spiritually understand the Bible, if he/she would confess their sins, and ask Jesus to save them, then, we could have a more fruitful conversation.
But, I'm thinking the Lord put us together in this forum, because He knew I would speak Bible truths, and because perhaps you're going to help me remember more bible verses.
Jesus said: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Jesus also said: And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thous hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Are you seeing a pattern?
 
Did I say they were not One.
In fact I belive they are ONE not "three in ONE".

Sorry but the Trinity can't be proven using the Scripture.

Maybe you dont understand Oneness???

http://www.bromac.com/Godhead/Godhead.htm

Thankfully it's not up to you to determine who is, and who is not saved.

:roll:
 
You do know that the idea behind the Trinity didn't come until
about 150 years AFTER Jesus. In fact the early church ALWAYS
baptized in the name of Jesus, the book of Matthew was not written
until around 60-70 years after Christ, thus reflecting the change
to the original baptismal formula. Most people point to Matthew 28:19
to "prove": the Trinity:

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

In the Name = Singular

Isa: 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior.
 
Acts 2:36

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.â€Â
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?â€Â
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.¢â‚¬Â
 
supernac said:
Triune God - Sorry not a truth.

The OT allso teaches that there is only ONE God:

Deu 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

We went from God telling the Jews over and over again, that
there is only ONE God. To now preaching a "Triune God".

I do belive the rest of what you wrote ;-)
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Actually there are many Gods that form a single union, and each member in the union bears the titles God and Lord. That is what it means when the scriptures say that the Lord (or God) is one. Also each member of the union of God has the quality of being Himself, but also everyone else in the union at the same time. And here comes the shocker ... everyone who has faith is also God, because per John 10:34, that person is a god, and hence must be God, since there is only one God.
 
I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

Notice it is a lower case g. This simply mean's judges,
He is calling them "gods" because they judge.

"The Hebrew word translated "gods" is Elohim. This is the masculine plural form of the root word El, denoting strength and power.1 Elohim is used 2,250 times in the Old Testament. What is interesting about this word is that it does not always refer to the one true God, and is not even always translated "god." It is also attributed to angels (Psalm 8:5), and human judges (Exodus 21:6). "

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/yegods.htm
 
supernac said:
I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

Notice it is a lower case g. This simply mean's judges,
He is calling them "gods" because they judge.

"The Hebrew word translated "gods" is Elohim. This is the masculine plural form of the root word El, denoting strength and power.1 Elohim is used 2,250 times in the Old Testament. What is interesting about this word is that it does not always refer to the one true God, and is not even always translated "god." It is also attributed to angels (Psalm 8:5), and human judges (Exodus 21:6). "

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/yegods.htm
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Please read my reply here - particulary my second reasoning. (Please also read here.) God's use of the word "gods" simply means that those who have faith have a lower ranking in the Godhead, than senior Gods such as the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and Ancient of Days.

Daniel 7

9 "As I looked,
"thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.

10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

The Ancient of Days is referred to in the Book of Enoch as the Head of Days (Book of Enoch 48:2-3, 60:2), where Enoch is indicated to have worshipped Him - indicating that He (the Ancient of Days) is a senior God. Also, the thrones referred to in the scripture above, are for the Gods who will judge the dead after Christ returns to deliver judgment on earth at the end of this age of mankind. It is only Gods / Kings who sit on thrones in the Kingdom of God. Therefore the fact that those who have faith will be receiving thrones is just another indicator, that they are Gods, and will be receiving their honor and glory when they die.

Luke 22

28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.
29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Don't you realize who we are? Mankind is the fallen race of God. This imperfect world is all a test to see who from mankind loves God so much, that he will have faith, and brave the suffering and myriad of distractions in this world, in an effort to return to Him. The prize of which is Godship over creation with and after Christ.
 
I must say you have a very unique view, we will have to
agree to disagree. I am interested what church you attend, I will
read your post's that you linked to.
 
Any doctrine, whether it be the End Times order and sequence, Holy Spirit or Trinity can be discovered by using the methods of determining doctrine.

The first thing to realize it that we all have a bias that problems originate with "us", not God's Word. So, if you have not personally done the doctrinal search, then you've got to be somewhat open-ended until you complete the search of the Word of God, escpecially with non-essentials such as End Times order and sequence.

First, let's make a list of all pertinent verses that deal with who God is, His oneness, His unity with the Son, lying to God and the Holy Spirit, The Alpha and Omega passages in Revelation, etc.

Then we compare them all. In some topics, you search for passages that are teaching the topic you wish to understand. Are there any of those? If not, then you have to simply compare all the references in context.

Since most Christians do believe in the Trinity, and since many have done such studies, it would be up to the minority "Oneness" believer to do this excerice thoroughly and reveal the results to us under peer review.

To say that some belief crept into the church 150 years later is just an emotional statement. We are interested in the Word of God. And laziness is no excuse, to anyone interested or having read this thread.
 
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