Pray for Life: Supreme Court Ruling

[JLB]

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 2 Timothy 3:1-4



Pray for life, that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of life.





President Biden and the abortion lobby are desperately trying to block a lifesaving new Texas law that would essentially shut down abortions statewide.

Earlier this week, the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) filed an URGENT amicus brief with the Supreme Court of the United States in two cases challenging the Texas Heartbeat bill – one brought by the abortion industry and the other brought by President Biden’s Department of Justice (DOJ).

The unique lifesaving Texas law – which the ACLJ actually submitted written testimony regarding, as the Texas legislature considered the legislation – bans abortions after a baby’s heartbeat is detected. Texas cleverly structured the law, however, to ensure that abortionists couldn’t stop the law from going into effect. Instead, the law allows private citizens to enforce the law by suing abortion clinics who perform abortions that violate the law. And since the abortion clinics couldn’t predict who would sue them, they couldn’t name the right defendants in court.



https://aclj.org/pro-life/aclj-file...heartbeat-bill-ahead-of-looming-oral-argument








JLB

 

[jaybo]

Thank God I don't live in Texas. They have the most backward, Draconian, cruel "government" in the entire US. Their Medieval abortion law just shows their ignorance of medicine and human rights.

 

[Eddie42]

The Texas anti-abortion bill is surely unconstitutional. It uses civil law to enforce a particular theological point of view, that a human being exists at conception rather than at a later point and then promotes neighbor spying on neighbor. The church has always been divided on the question of the origin of the soul; either Creationist or Traducianist. Man is composed of body and soul. Traducianists believe the soul comes from the parents just as the body does; the Creationist believes God creates the soul within the fetus later, making it a human being, a person. One particular verse alone makes this clear to the mind of a Creationist:

1977 NASB - "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide."

So, a miscarriage is not the death of a human being, calling for the death penalty; it is not a human being or person, so it calls for a fine. Oops, the anti-abortionists could not tolerate that idea, which was the historical understanding of most. So, it was changed in the 1995 NASB version:

1995 NASB - "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide."

Jesus and the Apostles often quoted from the Greek translation of the OT, the Septuagint. IT reads -

"And if two men strive and smite a woman with child, and her child be born imperfectly formed, he shall be forced to pay a penalty: as the woman's husband may lay upon him, he shall pay with a valuation. But if it be perfectly formed, he shall give life for life" (Exod 21:22-23, LXXE)

A comment by the Puritan John Trapp on this passage:

"There is a time, then, when the embryo is not alive; therefore the soul is not begotten, but infused after a time by God."

Adam Clarke, respected British Methodist:

"But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder-the person was put to death; Ex 21:23

James Wilson, a Founding Father gave the view at the founding of the USA:

"With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger."

Of the Natural Rights of Individuals

teachingamericanhistory.org

Medical science does not teach us when life begins, God's word does. Certainly it is not tied to a 6-week heart beat in Scripture. Science is not where you answer theological questions. I believe the States that put the 20-week limit on abortion are more biblical and do not infringe upon the religious liberty of others.

 

[jaybo]

The Texas anti-abortion bill is surely unconstitutional. It uses civil law to enforce a particular theological point of view, that a human being exists at conception rather than at a later point and then promotes neighbor spying on neighbor. The church has always been divided on the question of the origin of the soul; either Creationist or Traducianist. Man is composed of body and soul. Traducianists believe the soul comes from the parents just as the body does; the Creationist believes God creates the soul within the fetus later, making it a human being, a person. One particular verse alone makes this clear to the mind of a Creationist:

1977 NASB - "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide."

So, a miscarriage is not the death of a human being, calling for the death penalty; it is not a human being or person, so it calls for a fine. Oops, the anti-abortionists could not tolerate that idea, which was the historical understanding of most. So, it was changed in the 1995 NASB version:

1995 NASB - "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide."

Jesus and the Apostles often quoted from the Greek translation of the OT, the Septuagint. IT reads -

"And if two men strive and smite a woman with child, and her child be born imperfectly formed, he shall be forced to pay a penalty: as the woman's husband may lay upon him, he shall pay with a valuation. But if it be perfectly formed, he shall give life for life" (Exod 21:22-23, LXXE)

A comment by the Puritan John Trapp on this passage:

"There is a time, then, when the embryo is not alive; therefore the soul is not begotten, but infused after a time by God."

Adam Clarke, respected British Methodist:

"But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder-the person was put to death; Ex 21:23

James Wilson, a Founding Father gave the view at the founding of the USA:

"With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger."

Of the Natural Rights of Individuals

teachingamericanhistory.org

Medical science does not teach us when life begins, God's word does. Certainly it is not tied to a 6-week heart beat in Scripture. Science is not where you answer theological questions. I believe the States that put the 20-week limit on abortion are more biblical and do not infringe upon the religious liberty of others.

Great post! Thanks!

 

[Christ_empowered]

Social programs do more to make society better do fewer women need abortions than all of these crazy laws ever will.

 

[jasonc]

Social programs do more to make society better do fewer women need abortions than all of these crazy laws ever will.

doling out dollars,and anti drug programs with a humanistic bend surely helps .

a suicidal man asks the va,why not end it ?
the .va says we can't tell you or define your life meaning but find your meaning and reason

in the end in that secular view ,as long as you die with a purpose its ok.despite the reality

 

[Christ_empowered]

Jesus gives my life meaning not the government. I just think social programs improve life for most people.

 

[jasonc]

Jesus gives my life meaning not the government. I just think social programs improve life for most people.

so the church shouldn't use the charity to reach the lost?

the church shouldn't rebuke the useless man who won't raise his child ?

the state,jail the guy ,he can't work ,therefore jailed again because of his record ,suspended license ,mother gets no money in either case and the stare supports the child .

that works well.!

I just described my own daughters situation .the father of her son ,would be in jail and not made any money to pay,if someone don't care ,no law will stop them .

 

[Christ_empowered]

Churches can do charity. Good idea. I think the government should expand the safety net so it catches more people.