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Pray For The Peace Of Jerusalem

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(Psalm 122:6) Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

but which Jerusalem?

If anyone has ever read any Christian Zionist books or materials or visited a pre-Tribulational church, no doubt you have heard Psalm 122:6 quoted and then told it is the Christian’s responsibility to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Of course, the Jerusalem which is always in view is the city of Jerusalem in modern day Israel. When David penned this Scripture, it was probably about 1000 B.C. The theologian Edwin Thiele dates the lifespan of David from 1040 B.C. to 970 B.C. He was born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem. Do you know of anyone else who was born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem?

The Jerusalem which David had in view initially was the city of Jerusalem because at that time, that was where the worship of the Lord took place and where God commanded all the males to meet Him three times a year. (Exo 23:17 KJV) Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD. Jerusalem was the center of worship for ancient Israel. It was where the Temple was built so the eyes of every Israelite was focused upon Jerusalem. So 3,000 years ago we can understand why David focused on the city of Jerusalem. Now is it the same for today? Christians make one great mistake which has led to the false interpretations of many passages of Scripture. When they take Old Testament promises or events and neglect to filter their understanding through the cross, they will wind up with error. Everything changed at the cross. The Mosaic system of sacrifice was done away with. There would be no more animal sacrifices because they were all foreshadows leading up to the final sacrifice of Christ upon Calvary. The cross also signified the end of the Feasts because they were all foreshadows and types leading up to the person of Christ. It also signified the end of a physical temple because Christ would now dwell inside every one of His people through the Holy Spirit. It also signified the end of the ancient nation of Israel because once Christ came, there was no more reason of existence for that nation. Why? It was because the real Israel was a family lineage. It started with Abraham who was Chaldean, then came Isaac his son, then came Jacob, who was named Israel, who had twelve sons. It was through the line of Judah that the Lord Jesus Christ came. The name Judah means “The Praise of the Lord.“ The true Israelites, even back then, were only those who came from the Abrahamic line. This is why genealogies were very important at that time up to the coming of Messiah. During the divided Kingdom stage, the northern kingdom of Israel went into captivity with Assyria and was never again re-established. 135 years later, the southern Kingdom, Judah, went into captivity with the Babylonians but they were only in captivity for seventy years and were allowed to return to the land. Now Judah had to be restored because, again, it was through Judah that the Lord Jesus Christ would come, so restoration was necessary and required for the messianic line to continue so Jesus would be born in Bethlehem according to Micah 5:2. (Micah 5:2 KJV) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Now I went through that bit of history for one reason and that is not only were the feast, temple, Mosaic system done away with at Calvary, but so was the definition, understanding, and the physical nation of Israel. Thirty seven years after the cross, in 70 A.D., God had sent General Titus to destroy the physical city of Jerusalem. Let us return to our passage of Scripture this article is named after. (Psa 122:6 KJV) Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Let us now look at this passage filtered through the cross.

After the cross, no longer were we to look at the physical nation of Israel but to the body of believers which became the New Jerusalem. (Rev 3:12 KJV) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Now if you notice that the term “New Jerusalem†is written in the third chapter of Revelation. The book of Revelation concerns itself with the body of believers from the time of the cross to the last day. Do not look for black helicopters, Middle East wars, nuclear war, etc. The book of Revelation uses much symbolism to teach the final war on this earth between God and Satan. It encompasses the whole New Testament period and ends with the defeat of Satan. The reason that so many are confused over Revelation is because they read books which are nothing more than Hollywood style presentations and these false interpretations sell books and are good seed for movies.

So filtering the meaning of Jerusalem through the cross, the born again believer anywhere in the world is not going to be praying for the peace of the physical city of Jerusalem, although those who live there can pray for the city and those who are in leadership positions in the city and the country. The focus of the body of believers in the last days which commenced at the cross is not the physical city of Jerusalem. (Heb 13:14 KJV) For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. The true believer knows that in this present age we do not have a continuing city on earth and the physical Jerusalem is going to be burned up on the last day with every other city in the world. Our focus needs to be on the New Jerusalem which, according to the book of Revelation, will suffer ceaseless onslaughts by Satan and his kingdom. So when we pray for the peace of Jerusalem, it so for the body of believers. Too many prayers for the body of Christ are neglected for the false notion that it is the Christian’s responsibility to pray for the physical city of Jerusalem. This is because many Christians have been diverted from the truth by Christian Zionist materials such as the Schofield Bible or the many books written by Zionist authors like John Hagee and others.

When we pray for the peace of the New Jerusalem, we are also praying for the salvation of the Elect because once a person is saved, then the war with God is over and we are peace with Him. (Rom 5:1 KJV) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: When we pray for the peace of the New Jerusalem, we are also praying for the Lord’s return because only then will the true church have everlasting peace.

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2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

The Jewish religion does not confess that Christ has come in the flesh.

John here is as much Scripture the Psalm. What are your thoughts on reconciling them ?

Seems i am following you around the board this evening......;)
 
reba you misunderstand that. when we pray for peace in jerusalem were a saying this O LORD COME. that is the only way peace shall come to jerusalem.

where does christ physically return? the mount of olives and that is where? right outside of jerusalem.
 
So why should anyone need to be praying for the peace of the Jerusalem which is above.. is there not peace there..?

No answer for this..?
 
So why should anyone need to be praying for the peace of the Jerusalem which is above.. is there not peace there..?

No answer for this..?

Its an unlearned question, its like asking why should the Lord direct to pray Thy Kingdom come, when its coming anyway..

Matt 6:


7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

To pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, which is above, does not denote there is no peace already there, no more as to pray for the Kingdom to come as though its not already coming..

2 tim 4:


1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

His appearing here is at His Coming..
 
Its an unlearned question, its like asking why should the Lord direct to pray Thy Kingdom come, when its coming anyway...

Well at least you agree that His kingdom is forthcoming and not here yet.. although that kind of smacks against your amillennial position doesn't it.. ?
 
Well at least you agree that His kingdom is forthcoming and not here yet.. although that kind of smacks against your amillennial position doesn't it.. ?
Jesus' kingdom is already here. At the end of Matthew, the risen Jesus states that "all authority on earth" has already been given to Him. That makes Him a presently reigning King, even though His Kingdom has by no means reached its final state.

There are many other scriptures that show that Jesus' kingdom is already here. The Lord's prayer does not deny this, it merely asks us to pray to for a progressive advancing of that kingdom. If all you had was the Lord's prayer, then perhaps one might be able to make the case that Jesus' kingdom has not yet been initiated. But we have tons of others texts clearly showing that Jesus is indeed King right now.
 
Jesus' kingdom is already here. At the end of Matthew, the risen Jesus states that "all authority on earth" has already been given to Him. That makes Him a presently reigning King, even though His Kingdom has by no means reached its final state.

There are many other scriptures that show that Jesus' kingdom is already here. The Lord's prayer does not deny this, it merely asks us to pray to for a progressive advancing of that kingdom. If all you had was the Lord's prayer, then perhaps one might be able to make the case that Jesus' kingdom has not yet been initiated. But we have tons of others texts clearly showing that Jesus is indeed King right now.

Well then Paul must have been mistaken when he wrote that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world..

And it's strange that Paul aslo writes that the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who believe not the glorious gospel of Christ.. and it's even more strange that in Matt 25 when the Lord COMES, that He says THEN to those on His right, enter in the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world..

Satan is still the god of this present evil world, and that will be the case until the Lord comes and destroys the man of sin.. and then shall the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.. and He shall be king over all the earth in that Day.. in the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ..
 
Well then Paul must have been mistaken when he wrote that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world..
This statement does not deny the present kingship of Jesus. All it says is that, like in any kingdom, they are going to be forces at work that oppose the king.

The text from Matthew says what its say - all authority on earth has already been given to King Jesus. You need to explain how this text can be reconciled with your view that Jesus is not yet King (if that is what you believe)

And it's strange that Paul aslo writes that the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who believe not the glorious gospel of Christ.. and it's even more strange that in Matt 25 when the Lord COMES, that He says THEN to those on His right, enter in the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world..
1. The phrase "god of this world" most certainly does not denote King of this world. Again, the fact that there are powers at work in the world that oppose Jesus does not refute his present Kingship.

2. The Matthew 25 text simply refers to an act of judgemet that Jesus will perform as King. There is nothing in this text that denies Jesus' present kingship. The fact that Jesus is not "here" right now does not mean that He is not King, it simply means that He is a physically "absent" king. Ceasar was still emperor over Palestine even though He did not show up physically.

Satan is still the god of this present evil world,...
Not a Biblical position - Jesus is King, even though Satan is still around.

...and that will be the case until the Lord comes and destroys the man of sin.. and then shall the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.. and He shall be king over all the earth in that Day.. in the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ..
No.

Please consider this text from 1 Corinthians 15:

20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

After further elaboration, Paul concludes his treatment with this conclusion:

58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

I suggest that 1 Corinthians 15 adds further evidence to the claim that Jesus presently reigns as a king. To be fair, the necessity of understanding Jesus as presently reigning does require some analysis. So while there is no explicit assertion here that Jesus is already reigning, the material loses all coherence if this is not so.

Paul characterises the coming of the new age as a two-stage affair. Jesus is already risen as the first-fruits of the coming age. In the future, we get the resurrection of all believers. Paul then makes the statement about Jesus reigning. Is he reigning now, or will that reign only come in the future?

He really must be reigning now if Paul is any kind of a competent writer, which he clearly is. Note the implications of what Paul writes in verse 24: before the “endâ€, Jesus must be a ruling king, since only a ruling king would be in any position to hand over a kingdom to God the Father. I suggest that the only “out†for those who would deny Jesus’ present kingship is to say that Jesus gains access to the throne only at His return and there is some kind of time interval between that event and “the endâ€. Although I really am not familiar with such things, I’ll bet that’s what people who hold to a literal “future†millennium believe.

On such a view (the view that I am critiquing), it appears that one must conclude that nothing has yet been “put under his feetâ€. After all, it is clear that Jesus puts things under his feet only while he is reigning. But, so my imaginary opponent, will claim, there is nothing in verses 20 – 28 that require us to see the reign as already initiated – the text works with the view that the “reign†is initiated at some point in the future. I will concede such a point.

I suggest that the real problem arises when we work through the implications of the last verse in the chapter. It really does not make sense for Paul to believe that Jesus’ reign begins in the future and yet also tell the Corinthians that their labour in the present is not in vain. Why is this? In verses 20-28, Paul describes the reign of Jesus and how this reign results in the destruction of “dominion, authority, and powerâ€. There is a strong sense of Jesus “getting things done†as He reigns, of setting things aright.

If Paul does not see the work of the Corinthians in the present as being part of that glorious kingly reign of the Jesus, then he (Paul) is breaking almost rule in the book when it comes to “literary styleâ€. No competent writer would describe the wonderful achievements of a benevolent ruling king and conclude by telling his readers that their work for this king is “not in vainâ€, unless that writer believed that the reader was part of that kingdom project. Paul must see Jesus as presently enthroned and the Corinthians as subjects of that kingdom.
 
Another argument that Jesus is already King:

From Acts 4:

On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
"'Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the Lord
and against his Anointed One

Note the context: Peter and John are praying this prayer in response to the actions of the religious leaders. Now the content of the prayer quotes directly from Psalm 2. This is not “co-incidence”. Here is the material from Psalm 2:

Note that the prayer quotes Psalm 2, verses 1 and 2:

Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORDand against his Anointed One.

And what does Psalm 2 go on to say a few breaths later in respect to this "annointed one"?:

I have installed my King
on Zion, my holy hill

Assuming that Peter and John know their scriptures, they know that Psalm 2 describes rebellion against a sitting King. And more to the point, the Acts text shows that He is a king over nations – so this is not the “heavenly” kingdom so many imagine, it is a kingdom of this present world. Do you really believe that the Holy Spirit would inspire the writer of Acts to record this prayer, which exactly echoes the Psalm 2 account of rebellion against a sitting King, and not expect us to draw the obvious conclusion – Jesus is indeed that very King, already installed, just as Psalm 2 declares?

The scriptures are clear and consistent. Even though (obviously) we do not have Jesus with us in person, his Kingship has been established.
 
This statement does not deny the present kingship of Jesus. All it says is that, like in any kingdom, they are going to be forces at work that oppose the king.

Nobody has said that the Lord Jesus Christ isn't the King of kings, but rather that HIS KINGDOM is not presently on earth..

The text from Matthew says what its say - all authority on earth has already been given to King Jesus. You need to explain how this text can be reconciled with your view that Jesus is not yet King (if that is what you believe)

No, that's what you said, not what I said... ie, that Jesus is not king.

Not a Biblical position - Jesus is King, even though Satan is still around.

You're denying the biblical fact that Satan is the god of this world..?

What's even more absurd about amillennialism is its claim that Satan is bound according to Rev 20..

Nobody has said that Jesus isn't a King.. but that HIS KINGDOM is not of this world.. and that shall be the case until the angel in Rev 11 does sound, and the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.

Surely you're not going to tell me that Rev 11 is past tense, are you ?
 
Nobody has said that the Lord Jesus Christ isn't the King of kings, but rather that HIS KINGDOM is not presently on earth..
I do not see how this statement can work given this:

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Can you explain how Jesus has already been given authority on earth, and yet how it is that his Kingdom is not "presently on earth"?
 
You're denying the biblical fact that Satan is the god of this world..?
I am doing no such thing - I agree that Satan is "god" of this world, but that Jesus is in the position of King. I am not exactly sure what Paul means by "god", but there is such overwhelming evidence that Paul believes Jesus to be the present King of the world, whatever "god" means, it cannot mean king.
 
I do not see how this statement can work given this:

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Can you explain how Jesus has already been given authority on earth, and yet how it is that his Kingdom is not "presently on earth"?

Because that's what the bible teaches Drew, and if you'd like to continue ignoring the scriptural fact which is that His kingdom is NOT of this world... then by all means go ahead and do that.
 
Nobody has said that Jesus isn't a King.. but that HIS KINGDOM is not of this world..
This is one of the most misunderstood texts in the Bible.

Note this from John 18:

Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"

34"Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?"
35"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

In verse 36, Jesus seems to be saying "My kingdom has nothing to do with earthly kingdoms, so there is no 'political' dimension to my kingdom".

As it turns out, there is a huge translation issue here. Here is the rendering of verse 36 as per the NET Bible:

Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being 1 handed over 2 to the Jewish authorities. 3 But as it is, 4 my kingdom is not from here

The NET version is, my sources indicate, true to the original Greek. The greek word that is rendered “from” (above in the bolded and underlined cases) has the following definition:

“a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote)

When the word is used properly, we see that the “not of this world” reading is misleading. The intended meaning is that the Kingdom that has been brought to earth is from Heaven - that is, Heaven is the point of origin for the Kingdom that has been initiated.

Jesus is a King. Jesus' kingdom, while not from this world, is rather clearly for this world.

I will have to get back to you on Revelation 11
 
I am doing no such thing - I agree that Satan is "god" of this world, but that Jesus is in the position of King. I am not exactly sure what Paul means by "god", but there is such overwhelming evidence that Paul believes Jesus to be the present King of the world, whatever "god" means, it cannot mean king.

If this present evil world is Christ's kingdom on earth, then why does He call men OUT OF THE WORLD and to be separate from it..? Why does Paul tell Christians to set their affections on things above, and not on the things on earth..?

Why Drew... if it's His kingdom on earth, then why would He do that ?
 
Because that's what the bible teaches Drew, and if you'd like to continue ignoring the scriptural fact which is that His kingdom is NOT of this world... then by all means go ahead and do that.
You have not answered my question. I will ask it again:

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Can you explain how Jesus has already been given authority on earth, and yet how it is that his Kingdom is not "presently on earth"?
 
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