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preaching is it biblical ?

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Preaching?

Did anyone “preach†in the bible? So quickly many will say YES! Of course, Jesus did, and Peter and Paul and on and on. What Christian would ever say they did not “preach†in the bible?

What is preaching? Before we can really say “They preached in the bible†shouldn't we know what we are talking about? More so is “preaching†today the same as “preaching†in the bible?

Modern preaching is:

preach
One entry found for preach.


Main Entry: preach
Pronunciation: 'prEch
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English prechen, from Old French prechier, from Late Latin praedicare, from Latin, to proclaim publicly, from prae- pre- + dicare to proclaim -- more at DICTION
intransitive senses
1 : to deliver a sermon
2 : to urge acceptance or abandonment of an idea or course of action; specifically : to exhort in an officious or tiresome manner
transitive senses
1 : to set forth in a sermon <preach the gospel>
2 : to advocate earnestly <preached revolution>
3 : to deliver (as a sermon) publicly
4 : to bring, put, or affect by preaching <preached the... church out of debt -- Amer. Guide Series: Va.>
- preach·er noun
- preach·ing·ly /'prE-chi[ng]-lE/ adverb

Today we are talking about 1: To deliver a sermon, to set forth in a sermon.

So the what is a sermon?

ser·mon
Pronunciation: 's&r-m&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin sermon-, sermo, from Latin, speech, conversation, from serere to link together -- more at SERIES
1 : a religious discourse delivered in public usually by a clergyman as a part of a worship service
2 : a speech on conduct or duty
- ser·mon·ic /"s&r-'mä-nik/ adjective

(Both from http://www.m-w.com)

Look at this very carefully, a sermon is a religious discource…by clergymen as part of a worship service. Very clearly referring the the weekly Sunday service.

And who gives this sermon, the clergyman.

If any of you have ever taken any bible classes, or attended seminary you know about a class which teaches us how to prepair and deliver a good sermon.

So to summerize the modern day preaching is the delivery of a sermon to Christians as part of a worship service, by the clergman, IE the pastor of the church. Or what ever other title he may go by.

Is this what we find in the NT? NO it is not.

The “sermons†that we name in the bible are not delivered by clergymen, and they are not given to meeting of Christians during a worship service.
Rather they were spontantious plees with unbelievers in public places. You can not find on example of any one preaching in the church meeting. For that matter you can not find the pastor of the NT church.

So, then why are so many so quick to say they preached in the bible, not even realizing what they are saying. Not even knowing that modern day preaching is not at all what was going in the bible.

Because the institution needs to be fed and preaching is one of the ways it eats up Christians.
 
Preaching is called preaching because it is passing along things that people already know but don't want to admit. For example, the last thing a child who breaks a window wants to hear is that he is guilty because he already knows it in his heart. So passing along the word of the bible will always be considered preaching because deep down inside, everyone already knows they are guilty. So are we supposed to do it? Absolutely! But people will hate to hear it because they will be convicted by it. ;-)
 
Preaching is BS in my book.

You have one guy giving his interpretation according to a set guidelines of a certain denomination. Scripture is meant to be debated and talked about in manner that SEEKS instead of BELIEVES it already hass all the Truth.

Christ said He would be present in SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE not crowds.

Matthew 18:20

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 
Christ said He would be present in SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE not crowds.

Then what happend at the sermon on the mount. Was there 2 or 3 people, or a multitude? I think this verse means that he CAN be present in groups of 2 or 3. You're limiting God on what he can do. Are you saying that in groups larger than 2 or 3 Christ isn't present? Thats deep.
 
Then what happend at the sermon on the mount. Was there 2 or 3 people, or a multitude? I think this verse means that he CAN be present in groups of 2 or 3. You're limiting God on what he can do. Are you saying that in groups larger than 2 or 3 Christ isn't present? Thats deep.

Have you ever looked into the eyes of the masses as they sit through a sermon???

Some are sleeping...

others look as if they are in a trance...

others are looking out the window...

a few may appear to be reading the Bible and trying to understand... (of course we all know that no one with a mind of their own agrees 100 percent with what the pastor is saying.....)

others are looking to hit on girls in the balcony...

you get the point

Christ wants an open ended DISCUSSION on the Word or whatever scriture you are interpretting....

I have gotten WAY more from intimate discussions on the nature of God and how it fits into my life versus going to Chruch to be "programmed" into WHAT to believe....

Try it yourself... set up an intimate encounter with one or two friends in Nature or at home and talk about God... see how much MORE you will THINK and LEARN about how God relates to you PERSOANALLY

Crowds are for spectator sports, gladiators and wars... not intense self analysis and time with Christ.

As far as Christ demonstrating His divine presence to Crowds on the Mount...

Well He is Christ!!!

Of course He needed to show as many people as possible His Truth!

He had only One body.

The preacher you listen to is NOT CHRIST.

Christ also spoke His most deep and mysterious sayings to the DISCIPLES ONLY IN SECLUSION.


Mark 4:11

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
 
Have you ever looked into the eyes of the masses as they sit through a sermon???

Some are sleeping...

others look as if they are in a trance...

others are looking out the window...

a few may appear to be reading the Bible and trying to understand... (of course we all know that no one with a mind of their own agrees 100 percent with what the pastor is saying.....)

others are looking to hit on girls in the balcony...

Yes I have been to boring churches like this, but church is about studying God's word, not about entertainment. Your synopsis of church is one of the main reasons people love going to the over the top churches where you've got all kinds of screaming preachers not reading the word, and people falling all over themselves on the floor with the holy ghost.. entertainment.



I have gotten WAY more from intimate discussions on the nature of God and how it fits into my life versus going to Chruch to be "programmed" into WHAT to believe....

And this is fine, but don't knock or worse try to biblically prove that it is unbiblical to go to church, or to attend a big church. Im not one of those people that sleep at church. I go twice a week and get so many different things to apply to my life. I also have personal one on one or one on three coversations with others and yes it is way more intimate and it feels great.. but i will not agree that church is a place to be programmed and its wrong.



Crowds are for spectator sports, gladiators and wars... not intense self analysis and time with Christ.

Then why were the apostles visiting and preaching at these big churches. Do you really think the churches at Corinthia and Ephesus and in Rome consisted of 2 or 3 people? Why didn't they outline in these letters to them that they need to branch off into groups of 3 because crowds in church were wrong? Are you kidding? These men were ecstatic that so many, thousands were coming to Christ daily. In the Acts 3:40, Peter and the apostles were 'preaching' and saved 3 thousand people in a day. The flipping title of the section is "Peter addresses the Crowd". Does that mean in 24 hours they had discussions with each one individually? I doubt it. The book of Acts is the outline of how a church is to be run and the inner workings of it. Why doesn't Luke, a very detailed writer, explain that churches are not to be more than 3 people? Why don't we see the apostles preaching this doctrine or living it???

Well He is Christ!!!

Of course He needed to show as many people as possible His Truth!

Aren't we suppose to imitate Christ?


The preacher you listen to is NOT CHRIST.

Of course not, but he believes his purpose is to teach God's word to many and to lead. Theres a reason why the bible says preachers will be judged more harshly. Preachers are supposed to reach as many people as possible. How can you blame the preacher for his congregation being bored by his method of teaching the bible concepts. A preacher can save more people in one Sunday by preaching to the masses then he could having to wait to set up one on 3 time with each person.

Christ also spoke His most deep and mysterious sayings to the DISCIPLES ONLY IN SECLUSION.

I posted this in the christians only forum.. but i'll repost here for you about his choosing of the 12.

When Jesus looked out over the huge crowd of enthusiastic followers during the Passover Feast in Jerusalem,He could have been extremely satisfied with His strategy in mass evangelism and the overall success of His ministry. After all, thousands of Jews believed in his name and publically testified to the authenticity of his miracles.

But Jesus was not at all taken by their applause and he was not impressed by their many words of appreciation. He looked beyond their cheers for Him to the motivation of their hearts. What He discovered there caused him to make one of the most serious decisions for the future direction of His ministry: "But Jesus did not commit Himself to them because He knew all men" (John 2:24). He clearly discerned that the majority of his disciples followed him only for personal blessings such as healing, free food, or even forgiveness of sin.. whatever they could get out of Him. But these were not the qualifications He was looking for in people to entrust with the responsibility if heralding God's kingdom.

Jesus was searching for people who would love and follow Him for His sake, not their own. Out of the entire multitude, He only found 11 who had that kind of heart, and He totally committed Himself to them. He allowed them to observe and share His life, taught them privately and revealed God's plans to them


He didn't choose these 12 to show us that we're supposed to stay away from huge crowds and renounce churches bigger than 3 people. After all, the people he entrusted with his personal teachings were 12 in number not 2 or 3. The point of this passage is to show us the kind of people Christ wants to go out and bring to him... people that do it because they love him.. not simply because they're going to inherit eternal life.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Preaching is oopsie in my book.

You have one guy giving his interpretation according to a set guidelines of a certain denomination. Scripture is meant to be debated and talked about in manner that SEEKS instead of BELIEVES it already hass all the Truth.

Christ said He would be present in SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE not crowds.

Matthew 18:20

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
You continue to excel at being consistently in error as it relates to the truth of the Word of God! Is there a reason? I am beginning to think that you are just a regular demon possessed soul who doesn't know better. Would you like to be a child of God one day. If so, give me a pm and we'll see what we can do.

By the way, here are all of the instances where the Word of God mentions Preaching:

Mt 4:17 - Show Context
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mt 10:7 - Show Context
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mt 10:27 - Show Context
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Mt 11:1 - Show Context
And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

Mr 1:4 - Show Context
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mr 1:38 - Show Context
And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth.

Mr 3:14 - Show Context
And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

Mr 16:15 - Show Context
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Lu 4:18 - Show Context
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Lu 4:19 - Show Context
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Lu 4:43 - Show Context
And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Lu 9:2 - Show Context
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

Lu 9:60 - Show Context
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Ac 5:42 - Show Context
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Ac 10:42 - Show Context
And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Ac 14:15 - Show Context
And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Ac 15:21 - Show Context
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Ac 16:6 - Show Context
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

Ac 16:10 - Show Context
And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Ac 17:3 - Show Context
Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Ro 1:15 - Show Context
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

Ro 10:8 - Show Context
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Ro 10:15 - Show Context
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Ro 15:20 - Show Context
Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

1Co 1:17 - Show Context
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

1Co 1:23 - Show Context
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1Co 9:14 - Show Context
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

1Co 9:16 - Show Context
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

1Co 9:18 - Show Context
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

1Co 15:11 - Show Context
Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

2Co 2:12 - Show Context
Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord,

2Co 4:5 - Show Context
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

2Co 10:16 - Show Context
To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand.

Ga 1:8 - Show Context
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Ga 1:9 - Show Context
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Ga 1:16 - Show Context
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Ga 2:2 - Show Context
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

Ga 5:11 - Show Context
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Eph 3:8 - Show Context
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Php 1:15 - Show Context
Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

Php 1:16 - Show Context
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

Col 1:28 - Show Context
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

2Ti 4:2 - Show Context
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Re 14:6 - Show Context
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Mt 3:1 - Show Context
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

Mt 4:23 - Show Context
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mt 9:35 - Show Context
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Mt 12:41 - Show Context
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Mr 1:14 - Show Context
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Lu 3:3 - Show Context
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Lu 8:1 - Show Context
And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Lu 9:6 - Show Context
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

Lu 11:32 - Show Context
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Ac 8:4 - Show Context
Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Ac 8:12 - Show Context
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Ac 10:36 - Show Context
The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Ac 11:19 - Show Context
Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Ac 11:20 - Show Context
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Ac 15:35 - Show Context
Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

Ac 20:9 - Show Context
And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

Ac 20:25 - Show Context
And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Ac 28:31 - Show Context
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 16:25 - Show Context
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co 1:18 - Show Context
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Co 1:21 - Show Context
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co 2:4 - Show Context
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1Co 15:14 - Show Context
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

2Co 10:14 - Show Context
For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:

2Ti 4:17 - Show Context
Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Tit 1:3 - Show Context
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Mt 11:5 - Show Context
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Mt 24:14 - Show Context
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mt 26:13 - Show Context
Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Mr 1:7 - Show Context
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

Mr 1:39 - Show Context
And he preached in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and cast out devils.

Mr 2:2 - Show Context
And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.

Mr 6:12 - Show Context
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Mr 14:9 - Show Context
Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mr 16:20 - Show Context
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Lu 3:18 - Show Context
And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.

Lu 4:44 - Show Context
And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.

Lu 7:22 - Show Context
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Lu 16:16 - Show Context
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Lu 20:1 - Show Context
And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Lu 24:47 - Show Context
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Ac 3:20 - Show Context
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Ac 4:2 - Show Context
Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Ac 8:5 - Show Context
Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

Ac 8:25 - Show Context
And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

Ac 8:35 - Show Context
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Ac 8:40 - Show Context
But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Ac 9:20 - Show Context
And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Ac 9:27 - Show Context
But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

Ac 10:37 - Show Context
That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

Ac 13:5 - Show Context
And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

Ac 13:24 - Show Context
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Ac 13:38 - Show Context
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Ac 13:42 - Show Context
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Ac 14:7 - Show Context
And there they preached the gospel.

Ac 14:21 - Show Context
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,

Ac 14:25 - Show Context
And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:

Ac 15:36 - Show Context
And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

Ac 17:13 - Show Context
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.

Ac 17:18 - Show Context
Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

Ac 20:7 - Show Context
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Ro 15:19 - Show Context
Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

1Co 9:27 - Show Context
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1Co 15:1 - Show Context
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1Co 15:2 - Show Context
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1Co 15:12 - Show Context
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

2Co 1:19 - Show Context
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

2Co 11:4 - Show Context
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2Co 11:7 - Show Context
Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

Ga 1:8 - Show Context
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Ga 1:11 - Show Context
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Ga 3:8 - Show Context
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Ga 4:13 - Show Context
Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

Eph 2:17 - Show Context
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Php 1:18 - Show Context
What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Col 1:23 - Show Context
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1Th 2:9 - Show Context
For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

1Ti 3:16 - Show Context
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heb 4:2 - Show Context
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Heb 4:6 - Show Context
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

1Pe 1:12 - Show Context
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

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But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

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For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

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How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

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Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

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Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

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And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

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In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

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And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

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And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

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The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

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Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

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And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

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And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

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And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

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The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

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Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

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But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

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The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

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Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

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And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

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Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

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And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

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And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

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Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

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Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

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For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

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For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

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And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

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And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

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For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:

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Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

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But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 
The question is not "Did they preach in the bible" the question is " Is what they did, what our preachers of this day do?"

You have taken many verses, simply becuase they have the word preach, preached or preaching in them. But neglected the fact that:

1. There different contexts
2. There are different words with different meanings.

The question of preaching is limited to church practice, I am talking about what happened in the context of the church, other wise you are compairing apples to oranges.

In the early church they did not sit in rows let the same man "preach" AT them for an hour (or less). And there was no man that planned and prepaired a "sermon" from week to week. It was all very interactive and spontanious. No pastors at all.

You can not find one time when any one called the pastor ever "preached" at the church. For that matter you can find the pastor.

Sorry but you have deffended nothing. And missed the point all together
 
Henry, you never cease to amaze me, how even when the word is in the Bible you find a way around it. :multi: You are at least entertaining on this forum.

Paula Abdul

That was aowful.

Simon Cowall

"You, What's up henry" "We've got a hot one tonight, right dog pound".

dog pound "woot woot woot".

:-D

Randy.
 
LOL I did not find my way around anything.

All I do is look at the word, see what context is, what the Greek word is and how it would have been used and go from there.

there were three words used in all those verses, that have been translated "preach". Oh yes they are not even all the same, and four if you really want to get technical.

The word used when talking about "preaching" in a public place was the same as what a town crier would have done. Make an announcement...the second is much the same only it is more specifically an annoucement of good news.

These words are only used in the public context. Not with the church meeting itself.

That word means dialoge, which means to talk with one another. In the church meeting, there was never a "sermon" there was all inclusive interactive spur of he moment talking. a dialoge.

For that matter the sermons of today, are not in the bible. Even the public preaching was purely spontanious and not planned.

Like it or not what we are doing today is not what they where doing then.
 
I personally always preferred Sunday School to preaching because then the students could participate and give their views. I think Preaching in the day and age is a necessity. The biggest problem I found was finding Church which is scriptually sound.
 
I have to say this is what comes to mind with this thread and after following the one on not worshipping in Church buildings.
Mark.13
[21] And then if any one says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or `Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

In more ways than the obvious one (though that one). I'm trying to be kind.
:-?
 
ChristineES

I personally always preferred Sunday School to preaching because then the students could participate and give their views.

Me too, when I did attend an institutional church I much preferred the smaller teachings over the “service.†You know that it is well known in educational circles that interactive teaching is by far the best.

I think Preaching in the day and age is a necessity.

I do too, just as it was in the apostolic age. The very same as a matter of fact. The problem is pulpit preaching is not what we need. We need the same spure of the moment stuff we find in the NT.

The biggest problem I found was finding Church which is scriptually sound

As long as you are looking for one who has a building and a pastor you won't find one. Since both those things already take it out of the realm of being biblically sound.

Thessalonian

Mark.13
[21] And then if any one says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or `Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

Who is talking about a different Jesus? You are not getting the point at all my friend.

You just love your man made tradtions too much.
 
You continue to excel at being consistently in error as it relates to the truth of the Word of God! Is there a reason? I am beginning to think that you are just a regular demon possessed soul who doesn't know better. Would you like to be a child of God one day. If so, give me a pm and we'll see what we can do.


Solo,

I hope you reallly KNOW your preacher well....

If you believe sitting in the wood pews with 100 or more people and listening to the opinion of one man to be Biblical than Praise God for you!

As for me, I prefer the small getherings of one to three people I trust as we DISCUSS what the Bible says to us PERSONALLY.

Take it easy bro.... Henry has some great points here.

Next time I see some demons I will let them know you are "on" to them
 
If you believe sitting in the wood pews with 100 or more people and listening to the opinion of one man to be Biblical than Praise God for you!
Soma, not all sermons are commentaries... some "preachers" actually have the gift of teaching. I know of one Pastor who can do a sermon on a particular passage and teach one thing; come back to that same passage a year later and from a different angle, he teaches something totally different. One day he taught on the Prodigal son parable and keyed in on the prodigal son. Several months later, he taught on the same parable, only from the perspective of the brother. Another day, from the perspective of the father. Three sermons; three totally different lessons, none of it opinion.
 
Soma-Sight

Take it easy bro.... Henry has some great points here.

I remember the first time I heard the word “Churchianity†Oh how ignorant I thought that person was. After we are commanded to “go to church' in the bible.

Well, since them I have learned the true meaning of what the church is and that we can not GO to it. Since it is not a place, in no way what so ever is the church a place we go to, and as long as people see a place in their minds or think of some institution when they hear the word they have not understood the true nature of the church.

Traditions are also very strong and hold people to them for all they are worth, after all if the people no longer hold to it, the tradition will die.

Sadly most Christians do not know WANT to know that the “Church Institution†is made up of one man made tradition after another, they want to think what they are doing it biblical though they can not actually find what they are doing in the bible. When I say that I mean the foudational principles are not there, and actually most of what the IC does is contrary to what we can read in the NT.

Especially when it comes to a building a pastor, for so long we are told these are the central elements of a church that when someone comes along and says “These are not about the church at all, but mens own needs and ideas†to them is it an attack on the faith.

That is why so many here talk to me as though I am attacking them, that is how they feel. Though I am not, I am attacking the system and the institution of traditions made by men.


vic

No doubt there are gifted teachers, we have them in the house church and gladly share them out. Even on occasion having a larger meeting to be able to share a teacher who may not be able to make about all the house churches in an area.

However, in a normal house church meeting as was in the NT there are no men designated as THE teacher. The man who teachers on one aspect of a parable then another of the same is a man who has too much time on his hands.

There should be more then one man teaching in a meeting and more then one man teaching at the same time, oh not over each other but in complement of each other.

This is the thing I am trying to say which is so hated here.

The early church did not practice preaching with in the church meeting, they had interactive talks with one another where every brother was able to speak. The idea of one man being THE teacher or preacher was alien to them.

I add as well that we can say they kept the groups small because even though thousands and thousands where being saved, they continued to meet in homes and they are commanded by Paul that if one sitting by gets a revelation then who ever is speaking is to let the other talk.

Thank God for the letters to the Cor, though they where written as corrections and not HOW TO letters. We can see what and how they met together in reading them and my friend it was NOTHING like the what we do today.

The problem here is not “Do we have to do what they did†the problem is why wouldn't we want to? These men where the very ones who walked with Jesus and to whom Jesus gave authority to teach. Why not listen to them?

Great that you have good teacher, but can you stand and say “I would sy something now†and be aloud to speak?
 
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Ephesians 4:11-16

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 2 Timothy 4:1-5
 
Solo

Great to post scriptures, but what is your point?

Though you posted the ONLY scripture in the entire NT that mentions the pastor, and in not even at the top of the list mind you. And if you carefully exmine this text in light of the rest of the NT this does not speak at all to what we are seeing in IC today.

This text does not justify really in anyways what is happening, there is no way around it the IC is not doing what the NT teaches. It is doing its own thing and twisting the NT to make it seem like it is there.

But you keep looking to the word of God.
 
Henry said:
Solo

Great to post scriptures, but what is your point?

Though you posted the ONLY scripture in the entire NT that mentions the pastor, and in not even at the top of the list mind you. And if you carefully exmine this text in light of the rest of the NT this does not speak at all to what we are seeing in IC today.

This text does not justify really in anyways what is happening, there is no way around it the IC is not doing what the NT teaches. It is doing its own thing and twisting the NT to make it seem like it is there.

But you keep looking to the word of God.
It seems as though the only scripture that you recognize are those which back up your fleshly position on things. The New Testament teaches that the members of the body fit jointly together to operate to God's glory, with Jesus as the head, and those portions of the body have various functions. The Word of God is for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. There are teachers, pastors, evangelists, etc. that teach the word of God to the members of the body of Christ. Hopefully you will begin, after all these years, to rightly divide the Word of truth. God bless.
 
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