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I think we should comment on each others posts for that very reason.I think we differ too much in our understanding to comment on each other's posts.
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I think we should comment on each others posts for that very reason.I think we differ too much in our understanding to comment on each other's posts.
We'll give it a try! God bless!!I think we should comment on each others posts for that very reason.
God bless you also and all those you hold dear.We'll give it a try! God bless!!
Yes, it is necessary to be right, and we are not always right, but what also matters we share what we think is right, until god shows us the truth. The more we read through all of God's Word, the more He will teach us--by His Spirit, Who is the Author and teacher of God's Word (2Pe 1:21;1Co 2:13; 2Ti 3:16). Of course He is also the creator of our new birth (Jhn 3:5, 6, 8).It's necessary for us to agree, because we're talking about Gods' word. So we better make sure we get it right.
No my friend. That is how heresy begins.Yes, it is necessary to be right, and we are not always right, but what also matters we share what we think is right, until god shows us the truth.
It's important to read and study the Bible, but the scribes read the scriptures until they could recite them verbatim and they didn't reoignize the Messiah. The reason for this is that their view of what the Bible says went wrong somewhere.
God knew most of the Jews would reject His Son. But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him; which answers to why He always brings them back to Himself. The final restoration of the Jews who believe in God ("ye believe in God" (Jhn14:1) will be during the thousand years reign of the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31-34; Eze 36:24-27).It's important to read and study the Bible, but the scribes read the scriptures until they could recite them verbatim and they didn't reoignize the Messiah. The reason for this is that their view of what the Bible says went wrong somewhere.
If what you're saying is true, God would have never said,God knew most of the Jews would reject His Son. But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him; which answers to why He always brings them back to Himself.
I'm glad you mentioned His reign, because He reigned on earth over demons, wildlife and the weather.Oh yeah, I almost forgot...death.The final restoration of the Jews who believe in God ("ye believe in God" (Jhn14:1) will be during the thousand years reign of the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31-34; Eze 36:24-27).
I need to know what you mean by "If what you're saying is true."If what you're saying is true, God would have never said,
Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. Psa.95:10-11 KJV
I mean your statement, "God knew most of the Jews would reject His Son. But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him; which answers to why He always brings them back to Himself."I need to know what you mean by "If what you're saying is true."
First, I didn't think make it clear enough by what I meant by "But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him." By "Him" in this sentence I mean God--many Israelites love God but do not believe in His Son. He knew this would be the case, and because they love Him, it's my belief He is going to save them. They just will not inherit the new heaven, but the new earth. Many will not understand this, but it's what I believe.I mean your statement, "God knew most of the Jews would reject His Son. But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him; which answers to why He always brings them back to Himself."
It isn't possible to love God but not believe in Jesus,First, I didn't think make it clear enough by what I meant by "But they don't reject Him, but rather love Him." By "Him" in this sentence I mean God--many Israelites love God but do not believe in His Son.
I was taught that too, but the Messiah put no division between Jew and gentile.He knew this would be the case, and because they love Him, it's my belief He is going to save them. They just will not inherit the new heaven, but the new earth. Many will not understand this, but it's what I believe.
There are many Jews that believe in God (Jn 14:1 "ye believe in God), but since they won't believe in Christ they cannot claim God as their Father, nor can they inherit the new heaven, as one must believe in the Lord Jesus to inherit the new heaven. It's my understanding (through much inferred Scripture) they will continue as a "people of God" on the new earth.It isn't possible to love God but not believe in Jesus,
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me..." Jn.8:42 NIV
1Jo 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: 1Jn.2:23 KJV
Gods' people were never chosen because of race. They were chosen because of their faith.There are many Jews that believe in God (Jn 14:1 "ye believe in God), but since they won't believe in Christ they cannot claim God as their Father, nor can they inherit the new heaven, as one must believe in the Lord Jesus to inherit the new heaven. It's my understanding (through much inferred Scripture) they will continue as a "people of God" on the new earth.
I can't see God allowing them to perish after working with them for four millennia; He always restores them and brings them back to Him, and I believe it will be during the Millennium Kingdom of Christ that they will be brought back to God for the last time (Jer. 31 and Eze. 36 prophesies). I also realize that most Christians will not believe this concerning Israel's eschatology, but that's what I believe (and many Plymouth Brethren circa 17-1800's. Thankfully these teaching are not essential doctrine (teachings concerning how to be saved).
In post 53 cited above I miscopied the KJV of Isa.51:2. Isa 51:2 in the KJV says,Gods' people were never chosen because of race. They were chosen because of their faith.
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is ou rfather. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Jn.8:39 KJV
They which are the children of the flesh, these arenot the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Rom.9:8 KJV
Look unto Abrahamy our father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isa.51:2 KJV
Their father according to human lineage, but Abraham was a believer, a spiritual father.
God had His reasons for choosing the Jewish people to be His people first, maybe because He knew they would be the most abused nationality via antisemitism. But yes, God only chooses to save those who desire to have faith in Him. WE desire faith, then God gives it!Gods' people were never chosen because of race. They were chosen because of their faith.
People couldn't be children of God until Christ. One must be a Christian to be a child of God; and He as their Father. This answers to why we never see it written that the the Jews are "children of God," but a "people of God" (for Jewish believers in God). We see it that only Christians are children of God, and can call Him Father!They answered and said unto him, Abraham is ou rfather. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Jn.8:39 KJV
They which are the children of the flesh, these arenot the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Rom.9:8 KJV
Look unto Abrahamy our father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isa.51:2 KJV
Their father according to human lineage, but Abraham was a believer, a spiritual father.
He didn't choose a particular race first.God had His reasons for choosing the Jewish people to be His people first,
Ye are the children of the LORD Deu.14:1People couldn't be children of God until Christ. One must be a Christian to be a child of God; and He as their Father. This answers to why we never see it written that the the Jews are "children of God," but a "people of God" (for Jewish believers in God). We see it that only Christians are children of God, and can call Him Father!
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Rom 1:16)He didn't choose a particular race first.
True! He knows who will choose to believe in Him. It first must be that desire to be right with God, then He brings one to salvation, which is permanent.He chose believers.
I believe all the OT Scriptures that us the word "father" "or children" or in any way similar, are in the sense of Procreator, i.e. producer, generator but not a spiritual "Father" (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1/kjv/wlc/0-1/); I, VI; also I, 2--"a people": Strong's Hebrew. There are also a few other passages that uses the words "father" or "children" in this sense (Isa 63:16; Exo 4:22; Deu 32:6).Ye are the children of the LORD Deu.14:1
But now, O LORD, thou art our father Isa.64:8 KJV
To everyone who believes, not all Jews and gentiles."For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Rom 1:16)
To everyone who works good, not everyone within a race."But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, then also to the Gentile" (Rom 2:10).
Can we agree that when Jesus said,I believe all the OT Scriptures that us the word "father" "or children" or in any way similar, are in the sense of Procreator, i.e. producer, generator but not a spiritual "Father"
Right! It would be untrue if one were to say God is not the Creator of all people.Can we agree that when Jesus said,
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: Jn.8:42 KJV
He didn't mean God wasn't their Creator?
Ok...then Jesus wasn't saying, "If God was your Creator, you would love Me."Right! It would be untrue if one were to say God is not the Creator of all people.