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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
Join Elected By Him for a devotional on Ephesians 6:14-15
https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
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denn:
Sorry I cant help you, you seem to lack simple reason. No disrespect, but you do.
Sorry I cant help you, you seem to lack simple reason. No disrespect, but you do.
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The difference between predestination and election, election was a once and for all Sovereign Choice act by the Father [before the world began] as already completed; whereas predestination looks to the future for its completion. see rom 8::
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
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Saved by OBEDIENT WORKING FAITH! There is NO FAITH seen to predistination alone by man! Man KNOWS SALVATION ONLY BY [[[FAITH!]]]
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Faith is a gift of predestiantion..acts 13:
48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
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Of course!
An Eternal Conditional Gift! (for even satan (angels) believe and tremble!) And the REAL Belivers as seen in John 12:42-43's Words of Christ!'i' guess that we are agreeing with the Words of Christ, right?? That verse 48
above is telling us what God had Eternally known even in ALL of Eternity!
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Where did you get that from ? Faith is a free gift that accomapnies salvation and predestination to Gods elect..
All whom who God predestinated, He called, and them He Justified [by Faith] and them He Glorified.
Of course!
Where did you get that from ? Faith is a free gift that accomapnies salvation and predestination to Gods elect..
All whom who God predestinated, He called, and them He Justified [by Faith] and them He Glorified.
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Predestination and obedience !
All those whom Christ died, and makes righteous have also been predestinated unto obedience, that is works arranged and prepared by God for them to specifically walk in Eph 2:
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Notice Paul says we meaning that His works as theirs [ those whom He wrote] had been ordained by God for them to do or to walk in..
The word ordained here is the greek word:
proetoimazō which means:
to prepare before, to make ready beforehand
The word is also used in Rom 9:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
That is God prepared beforehand in Mind and Purpose, to Decree !
Now, these good works of Christian service was ordained by God for us even before we are converted to Christ, or saved by Grace..
What I am saying is, that Paul when He was yet Saul and was persecuting church something terrible as per Acts 9:
1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
What he did not know, that before the foundation, that he had been chosen by God to do the work of an apostle of Christ, the one whom he hated..
You see, this condition of Paul during this time could not prevent Gods ordained purpose for him from coming to past in Gods appointed time..
Now lets look at Acts 22:10
10And I said, What shall I do, LORD? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
This has to do with the good works he refers to in eph 2:10 ! God had already appointed these things for Paul to do for the honor of Christ, His unbelief [see 1 Tim 1:13] would be replaced with Faith in order for God to accomplish His decreed purpose from Paul..
All of this was predestined by God, not Paul's will, but Gods Sovereign will determined this. So Paul writes on several occasions how he became a apostle, he writes:
2 Cor 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Thats because God had before prepared this good work for Him to walk therein Eph 2 10..
But is it only the Apostle Paul that this belongs to ? No, for Paul says to the Saints at Ephesus, that We are his workmanship, not just the apostle but the Lords body [ Eph 4:4] We are one body [ Eph 2:16] we have been created in Christ Jesus unto good works, that before He ordained, that we [ The body] should walk in..
The same will of God that made Paul an Apostle makes all believers what they are to the Body of Christ..
Thats why Paul told the Philippians that they always obeyed because it was God working in them to both will and to do of His good pleasure Phil 2:
12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
This is because all our obedience has been predestined by God..
All those whom Christ died, and makes righteous have also been predestinated unto obedience, that is works arranged and prepared by God for them to specifically walk in Eph 2:
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Notice Paul says we meaning that His works as theirs [ those whom He wrote] had been ordained by God for them to do or to walk in..
The word ordained here is the greek word:
proetoimazō which means:
to prepare before, to make ready beforehand
The word is also used in Rom 9:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
That is God prepared beforehand in Mind and Purpose, to Decree !
Now, these good works of Christian service was ordained by God for us even before we are converted to Christ, or saved by Grace..
What I am saying is, that Paul when He was yet Saul and was persecuting church something terrible as per Acts 9:
1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
What he did not know, that before the foundation, that he had been chosen by God to do the work of an apostle of Christ, the one whom he hated..
You see, this condition of Paul during this time could not prevent Gods ordained purpose for him from coming to past in Gods appointed time..
Now lets look at Acts 22:10
10And I said, What shall I do, LORD? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
This has to do with the good works he refers to in eph 2:10 ! God had already appointed these things for Paul to do for the honor of Christ, His unbelief [see 1 Tim 1:13] would be replaced with Faith in order for God to accomplish His decreed purpose from Paul..
All of this was predestined by God, not Paul's will, but Gods Sovereign will determined this. So Paul writes on several occasions how he became a apostle, he writes:
2 Cor 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Thats because God had before prepared this good work for Him to walk therein Eph 2 10..
But is it only the Apostle Paul that this belongs to ? No, for Paul says to the Saints at Ephesus, that We are his workmanship, not just the apostle but the Lords body [ Eph 4:4] We are one body [ Eph 2:16] we have been created in Christ Jesus unto good works, that before He ordained, that we [ The body] should walk in..
The same will of God that made Paul an Apostle makes all believers what they are to the Body of Christ..
Thats why Paul told the Philippians that they always obeyed because it was God working in them to both will and to do of His good pleasure Phil 2:
12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
This is because all our obedience has been predestined by God..
WOW how can one person be so wrong so often,
ACT 2 Jesus was Gods elect, his destiny was determined according to his freewill while in the company of God the father, Hence determinate counsel according to
the foreknowledge of God.
ACTS 17 Thus God created the sandbox we play in (earth)
Dont forget the contex
Eph 1v11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1v12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ
Thus God predetermined that those who first trusted in christ, would be conformed to his image.
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You just cannot receive the Truth of what I have witnessed to.
You just cannot receive the Truth of what I have witnessed to.
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One word.. C A L V I N I S M..
It blinds people from seeing the truth, and Calvin trumps Christ every time.
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Foreunion !
1 Pet 1:2
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Election to Salvation [Subjectively] finds its cause in God's Love first of all and God's Foreknowledge or Foreunion.
Foreunion is presented by the term Foreknowledge, it comes from the greek word pro-ginoskw, and has a meaning " to know in union and experience before hand. The Ideal is reflected when look at the situation with Joseph and Mary, its stated Matt 1:25
25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
The knew her not denotes intimacy, now lets look at the amplified Translation Matt 1:25
25But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.
25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. NIV 1984
The word denotes the most intimate knowledge and union possible for men to understand and experience. Its used of Christ and His Sheep Jn 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
It is also used of the husband and wife relationship and intimacy. Foreknowledge in this instance of salvation is not a matter of foreseeing [though the Father does foresee all] of a person and their actions, but an actual union that existed between the Father and His elect Children before the creation. Remember Jesus stated in His Prayer Jn 17:6
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
This is a testimony that those given to Christ in Election belonged to the Father before being given. For it was the Fathers bond of Love towards these individuals that lead to their being Chosen in Christ Jn 17:23-24.
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Now, was not the Father and the Son intimate and in Union with their Love ? Thats the same intimate love union with those Chosen in Christ..
1 Pet 1:2
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Election to Salvation [Subjectively] finds its cause in God's Love first of all and God's Foreknowledge or Foreunion.
Foreunion is presented by the term Foreknowledge, it comes from the greek word pro-ginoskw, and has a meaning " to know in union and experience before hand. The Ideal is reflected when look at the situation with Joseph and Mary, its stated Matt 1:25
25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
The knew her not denotes intimacy, now lets look at the amplified Translation Matt 1:25
25But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.
25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. NIV 1984
The word denotes the most intimate knowledge and union possible for men to understand and experience. Its used of Christ and His Sheep Jn 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
It is also used of the husband and wife relationship and intimacy. Foreknowledge in this instance of salvation is not a matter of foreseeing [though the Father does foresee all] of a person and their actions, but an actual union that existed between the Father and His elect Children before the creation. Remember Jesus stated in His Prayer Jn 17:6
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
This is a testimony that those given to Christ in Election belonged to the Father before being given. For it was the Fathers bond of Love towards these individuals that lead to their being Chosen in Christ Jn 17:23-24.
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Now, was not the Father and the Son intimate and in Union with their Love ? Thats the same intimate love union with those Chosen in Christ..
