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Pregnant woman fired for not marrying fiance

hallowbonnie said:
Im really glad this was brought up.I had some coworkers who are all divorced discussing the next time they get married saying they wanted to marry in mexico or another country just not in the us because they didnt want to go through the legal expensive mess of a divorce again just in case .In a way I can understand because it frustrates me to still be legally married after almost 5 years but I cant afford to pay for it like he can and he is dragging it out .Anyway what do you guys think?
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Why is he dragging it out? If you two are in agreement with the settlement there should be no legal reason for him to drag it out. If you don't have kids or property it's not that expensive.

I'm guessing a legal separation is easy to file. I'm no expert, but I think that is what you need to do to protect yourself legally.
 
Willie T said:
If a church vetted the employees of their roofing company for their "righteousness", there would be years of very WET services.
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Building a house and building God's household are two entirely different things that require two very different kinds of 'workers'. I would not attend a church where fornication by it's members, let alone it's spiritual staff, is allowed.

If she's only an 8 to 5 person who comes in to do clerical work or something like that then that's a different story. She would not be a member of the church, and what she's doing is not the spiritual work of building the household of God.
 
I dont know ...I thinks its two things he wants an excuse not to marry the ow/his girlfriend from what I hear around this small town that we both friggin live in and he keeps coming around my work every few months asking if I want to go for coffee etc so he thinks Ill come home someday also.The cheapest lawyer I found would do an uncontested for 700 and I make 700 a month and he and his girlfriend make 6000 a month together.I have given him the number several times.We have a home together but I have told him I dont want it or any of it.
 
Obadiah said:
Good point. We have no Biblical instructions on what constitutes a Biblical marriage other than a man and woman "becoming one flesh". That would be a good topic for discussion if people could stay civil and not fight over it.

Are we really absolutely sure that if a man and woman simply agree with each other before God that they will now become "one flesh" with each other and "marry" each other, that they aren't really married in God's eyes?
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Jesus recognized marriage as more than just agreement and physical union. Jesus knew that the woman who had five previous husbands was not married to the one she was now with. He apparently did not recognize simply being together physically by agreement as being married.
 
hallowbonnie said:
I dont know ...I thinks its two things he wants an excuse not to marry the ow/his girlfriend from what I hear around this small town that we both friggin live in and he keeps coming around my work every few months asking if I want to go for coffee etc so he thinks Ill come home someday also.The cheapest lawyer I found would do an uncontested for 700 and I make 700 a month and he and his girlfriend make 6000 a month together.I have given him the number several times.We have a home together but I have told him I dont want it or any of it.
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Sadly, all that legal stuff is going to require lots of legal $tuff.

I would look into the legal separation route.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Jesus recognized marriage as more than just agreement and physical union. Jesus knew that the woman who had five previous husbands was not married to the one she was now with. He apparently did not recognize simply being together physically by agreement as being married.
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he used the term concubine by implication. the word she would have know in aramiac would be close to that. that is our version of liven bf/gf. a relationship of convienance . its a sin to do that.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Jesus recognized marriage as more than just agreement and physical union. Jesus knew that the woman who had five previous husbands was not married to the one she was now with. He apparently did not recognize simply being together physically by agreement as being married.
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Yes he did. I think the idea of becoming "one flesh" speaks to more than just being together physically by agreement. But still, is there any scripture to say how to do that?
 
Obadiah said:
Yes he did. I think the idea of becoming "one flesh" speaks to more than just being together physically by agreement. But still, is there any scripture to say how to do that?
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Not that I know of off the top of my head. I guess we have to go by what it is not. :shrug
 
Obadiah said:
Yes he did. I think the idea of becoming "one flesh" speaks to more than just being together physically by agreement. But still, is there any scripture to say how to do that?
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the fact that the jews had the chuppa and in the sandhedrin could put to death for adultery. the chuppa has a legal part to it. I wish I had my grandparents marriage contract in aramiac.
 
hallowbonnie said:
...The cheapest lawyer I found would do an uncontested for 700 and I make 700 a month and he and his girlfriend make 6000 a month together.I have given him the number several times.We have a home together but I have told him I dont want it or any of it.
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Look into free legal assistance to low income people if you haven't already tried that. When my wife divorced me (she freely admitted to adultery and refused to repent, by the way) she used a legal aid place of some sort and paid either nothing or almost nothing. Somewhat like your husband (but for different reasons) I didn't agree to the divorce because I felt I should forgive her and work on healing the problem instead, but she didn't want to. Much like your case, there was no property dispute and no kids. Even though I refused to agree to the divorce, it still automatically became final 6 months after I was served with the papers.

I know there can be differences in different states, but if you haven't already tried, maybe looking into the free legal aid services would help you as it did with my ex. Since you said he has a girlfriend, I have to assume you have Biblical grounds for divorce, so I would think it would be a good positive step for you to move forward with that and get it out of your life.
 
Yeah? I thought it was just the wedding canopy. Anything like a ketubah?
 
yeah I looked into legal services twice 3 years ago and then a year later.They told me since I didnt have children involved and/or abuse wasnt involved I didnt qualify.He has never admitted to his affair and will not even acknowledge there was even a problem but I found plenty for me to leave.Youre right though I would love so much to finally have that over with its his one last way of keeping his thumb on me.Not that Im in a hurry to be married again or even in a relationship.I will talk to God about this again and see if theres something I havent tried/direction he wants me to go(a one way ticket out of this town would be great lol).
 
Obadiah said:
Good point. We have no Biblical instructions on what constitutes a Biblical marriage other than a man and woman "becoming one flesh". That would be a good topic for discussion if people could stay civil and not fight over it.

Are we really absolutely sure that if a man and woman simply agree with each other before God that they will now become "one flesh" with each other and "marry" each other, that they aren't really married in God's eyes? I agree we are probably wise to do it in the way of church tradition and government guidelines, but are we really living in sin if we do it any other way? (And what scripture supports that?)

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As I was reading this thread, this is what I was thinking, I have thought about this for awhile. Being married according to the laws of states is not a requirement in God's eyes, He never said this, it's just men making up their own laws. Why should we let the state determine if a couple is married in God's eyes? I'm sure there are people who marry and God does not see it as such.

Why should we be controlled by the state in this area when it was God who gave us marriage in the first place?

What is the bare minimum required to be married? I would say a true, real commitment before God and copulaton, this is how people did things in the OT.
 
Jesse said:
As I was reading this thread, this is what I was thinking, I have thought about this for awhile. Being married according to the laws of states is not a requirement in God's eyes, He never said this, it's just men making up their own laws. Why should we let the state determine if a couple is married in God's eyes? I'm sure there are people who marry and God does not see it as such.

Why should we be controlled by the state in this area when it was God who gave us marriage in the first place?

What is the bare minimum required to be married? I would say a true, real commitment before God and copulaton, this is how people did things in the OT.
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A very good point. One well worth contemplating.
 
Jesse said:
As I was reading this thread, this is what I was thinking, I have thought about this for awhile. Being married according to the laws of states is not a requirement in God's eyes, He never said this, it's just men making up their own laws. Why should we let the state determine if a couple is married in God's eyes? I'm sure there are people who marry and God does not see it as such.

Why should we be controlled by the state in this area when it was God who gave us marriage in the first place?

What is the bare minimum required to be married? I would say a true, real commitment before God and copulaton, this is how people did things in the OT.
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So why didn't Jesus consider the woman at the well not married to the man she was presently with?

He didn't tell her, "oh, you're really married."
 
1) God only considers a couple married when they are legally married. The scriptural support typically given to this view is the verses that advocate submission to the government (Romans 13:1-7;1 Peter 2:17). The argument is that if the government requires certain “paperwork” to be completed before a marriage is recognized, a couple should submit themselves to whatever process the government requires. It is definitely biblical for a couple to submit to the government as long as the requirements do not contradict God’s Word and are reasonable.Romans 13:1-2tells us, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-constitutes.html#ixzz3OqvykqXn
 
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