Bible Study PREPPERS

[th1b.taylor]

The words are clear and not just for care of widows. Providing for those of our household is mandatory and the responsibility of a man. End of conversation.

If we want to observe further:

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Clear? Yep. Work to eat. Take care of your family by working. Primary common sense dictates and scriptural to boot. Imagine that?

I'm sorry but your first reference was about widows and now you seem to ramble a good bit and you're talking about working or starving and you have yet to tie these into the string.

The subject is Preppers, not work, not eating and not working.

 

[Chopper]

2nd Thess 3:
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
how does this play into the equation I do not want to eat out of dumpsters so I must follow this verse

If I may, The folk who Paul was addressing were so sure that Jesus would return for them at anytime, they ceased working at their jobs and simply waited. The problem became as Bill Taylor put it.

 

[smaller]

I'm sorry but your first reference was about widows

Yes, in response to your statement here:

"Interesting that you have drawn, out of it's context, a scripture describing proper Christian care for Widows."

1 Tim. 5:8 is not just about a man taking care of a widow, but about a man providing for his family just as it says and just as common sense would also dictate.

God hasn't called out anyone to be an irresponsible lazy idiot. And being a prepper is not against God or not trusting God either. It's being responsible to not trust the world to take care of our own. It's also about not laying our personal burdens and responsibilities for our own upon others.

The world of flesh may be contrary to the Spirit, but it does have some rules to follow that are to be acknowledged and respected. God made this world of nature to not be automatically kind, that much is certain. Mother nature, if you'll pardon the expression, is not necessarily automatically kind to believers and very very often it proves to be our enemy.

A lot of Old Testament figures were forced by nature and even by God's Own Plans, into Egypt because of famine.

We do have to deal with adversity, that much is certain. Even Adam and Eve prior to their actual fall were made to "tend" the garden. God Himself "worked" to create this world and also worked for His Plans and also lays up stores and treasures Himself.

We might think that it was "easy" for God to do this, because He Is God, but I question that sight. I don't think it was easy for God and God does suffer with His creation just as we suffer within the present creation.

The more basic lesson is that to make "worthwhile" treasures and stores of any sort mandates that it's not easy and also mandates that such matters require work, planning and suffering. If such things were easy and we didn't have to plan and to work we'd have no respect for the outcomes of such.

God took pleasure from the planning, working and suffering of His Own Hands.

Any man who works should have the same attitude and should also lay up stores, not only of the fleshly mandates, but of the Spiritual Mandates.

and now you seem to ramble a good bit and you're talking about working or starving and you have yet to tie these into the string.

Whatever Bill. When God reigns down manna from the sky and plants trees bearing fruit, picks said fruit from them and force feeds me perhaps I'd think differently.

I come from peasant hard working stock. I respect such people and distrust those who are not likewise minded and can't fend for themselves.

The subject is Preppers, not work, not eating and not working.

Somewhat pointless to disconnect prepping from working. It does require working to prepare for meeting adversity.

Even under Spiritual Guidelines we "tend" "work" and "prepare" with our own minds to engage and resist adversity.

Matthew 7:24
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not:

 

[Sinthesis]

Sell a cloak, buy a sword.
How about stock up in seven fat years for seven lean years?
That said, after whytookay I think most preppers are overly pessimistic and gullible.

 

[smaller]

Beating swords into plowshares might also indicate that there is some plowing to be done on that horizon. Plowing also indicates that planting, harvesting and storing are also in future sights.

This particular arena has been the source of nearly all my own life's troubles AND pleasures.

I've prayed to God that if He takes "work" away from me and I have no cause to work, then He may as well just kill me because I have no use to live. I might call it the prayer of a desperate starving man and I have tasted DEEPLY, such desperate starving suffering.

I don't care much for these particular meals myself and would rather be dead, apart from working. There is not a person among us who hasn't had to work to open the pages of His Words, to engage and work our minds and hearts to study and to take out and lay up His Stores from therein.

 

[smaller]

When I was a kid my grandparents on mom's side raised cattle and sheep, and farmed of course. They were self sustained. Tight as the dickens by force of nature. One of my mom's most vivid memories was getting beaten by her dad for taking a stick of gum, a single stick of gum, out of her dad's rolltop desk at the age of 5. I think it scarred her in her mind and she is a very hard person to this day, I think, because of that beating. These were depression era folk.

Anyway, my grandmother was a tender and dear person regardless. In the spring grandpa would sheer the sheep. Grandma still combed wool, spun that wool on a wooden spinning wheel in the living room into yarn, then dyed it and knitted. She had 53 grandchildren all told. And I think all of us received from the work of her hands, scarves and mittens when we were kids. No, they were not as upscale as some of the manufactured goods, but there were a lot of things that were put on my hands and around my neck in those goods that were far more valuable than just seeing mittens and scarves.

In northern Minn. where I was raised, there was deep satisfaction for laying up stores of wood when it was 50 below zero with no wind chill factor in the winter and snow 5 feet deep.

Prepping? Are you kidding me? You better prep or you'll die.

 

[Roro1972]

If I may, The folk who Paul was addressing were so sure that Jesus would return for them at anytime, they ceased working at their jobs and simply waited. The problem became as Bill Taylor put it.

Chopper I went back and re read it and you are right; sorry. My old brain kind of remembered half the story.

 

[Jim Parker]

This does not mention my faith with the use of the word but you are, what, arguing semantics? You did not use the word but the intent is very clear.

Chill? No I am spiritually on fire and that appears to have upset a prepper. I live for God and because of God. You are upset because God has given me a message you were not required to answer but you did, trying to defend half hearted living for God. I am bound to deliver a message and what God does with your heart when you read it is between you and Him. And God did not tell you to jump on me to try to justify your condition. All I can possibly do is to respond when called, what you do is your business except you jump in.

It was not my intention to offend you.

I was trying to make general statements indicating that we all take steps to prepare for common emergencies. Preppers just go way farther.

Sorry to offend you. It was not my intention to question your faith.

 

[th1b.taylor]

It was not my intention to offend you.

I was trying to make general statements indicating that we all take steps to prepare for common emergencies. Preppers just go way farther.

Sorry to offend you. It was not my intention to question your faith.

Thank you for making me to understand. This string is meant to offend some ut for a purpose. The lack of faith in the Church is amazing to me and because I witnessed christians, not Christians, on the dance floor, Friday and Saturday nights, as we played and sang, I was not surprised when I converted.

One Bible toting christian woman lived for several months in my apartment, though she was married (she claimed her husband had kicked her out) and another, on the way to Breakfast, pops her breasts out to show me which was the larger of the two.

I started this string because God moved me to do so, even to posting it on Facebook, to cause people to think. And I do, certainly, believe in any man providing for their wife and Children just as much as I, well before my conversion, believe in eating all things though none in excess.

Let me clarify. As the First Timothy verse indicates, if a man does not fill the wife's car with gasoline that she is enabled to get the groceries into the house (the US exclusivly) he is worse than an infidel and as per my understanding will suffer the worst level of punishment in Hell.

On the other hand, the scriptures of Elijah's time spent at the Brook, early on, provides a truth about my God that cannot not be denied, nor should any ever attempt to forget, that God will provide.

In Psalm 46:10 we learn another truth that should form a Couplet in our minds. Here we are instructed to, just, be still and to watch God work. Since '04 I have been in exactly that position.

When I could no longer, safely, walk the scaffolds, I put my Class A License back to work that I could earn an income. And when I fell off the side of my Mixer, a few years later, I was no longer able to work except I put my Computer and Graphics Skills to work and God said, "No!" Instead I devoted those skills to providing restored Computers to Children whose parents could not and to restoring Photographs for people whose memories had been ripped or ruined by other means.

I have never charged for these services and yet my wife, my terminally ill daughter and I have devoted more than the Usual Ten Percent and all three of us, until I became bed ridden, taught and worked for the Church in the Volunteer departments.

I can cut my support to the Church back and then I can provide, what God is not calling me to provide, but as long as it is some man calling, I will not!

I seek, only, to serve God and God is not calling me to violate His instructions to me. Many are!

 

[Jim Parker]

The lack of faith in the Church is amazing to me

AS it is to me. It is saddening that so many church leaders are content to have congregations stop maturing at the level of toddlers who are easily distracted by any "prophet" or "evangelist" who will entertain them with his Gospel show. I don't think that much of the Church in the USA takes their Christianity seriously.

Let me clarify. As the First Timothy verse indicates, if a man does not fill the wife's car with gasoline that she is enabled to get the groceries into the house (the US exclusively) he is worse than an infidel and as per my understanding will suffer the worst level of punishment in Hell.

Absolutely! Just don't hold your breath waiting for that to be preached!

Your testimony is an example for us. Many would ask, "Why does God allow this to happen to me?", but you have chosen to say, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." (Job 13:15a)

iakov the fool

 

[Chopper]

Chopper I went back and re read it and you are right; sorry. My old brain kind of remembered half the story.

You're in my league, "Old Timers syndrome"

 

[Jim Parker]

You're in my league, "Old Timers syndrome"

That's the one.

iakov