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I could never call someone an illegal alien. I know its just a common name not intentionally causing offence, but we have never used that name where i live, myself i cant call someone a alien, it feels like its saying they not human or something seems a bit degrading.
Technically, they are undocumented workers. If political correctness is a value for you.
 
Someone cannot claim they morally great and have 10,000 people waiting for somewhere to live, or even worse 20 living a small house sharing room with one toilet and shower thats unhygienic, or even worse sleeping in tent under a bridge like the flood in europe.
I worked on track gangs summers in high school and college. Lots of Mexican workers would rent a cheap house, sleep on mattresses on the floor, pool their money for rent and necessities, and felt fortunate to be able to earn as much as they did. It was really good money for those times. But of course, they weren't immigrants. They went home every fall.

Immigrant's kids get reduced fee lunches at school, and a lot of churches provide services to help the families get settled and deal with the reality of a new country. Maybe we should do more. But I notice that illegal immigrant families actually do pretty well at making a go of it here.
 
Hi Christian Saboteur

Nice account. But you can't offer any evidence that it's true, except your own personal testimony. Sorry, but according to the Scriptures, that isn't valid proof of something. And I certainly think that in this day and age of many, many just making up or twisting accounts to fit some agenda, that makes it suspect. Anyway, from your telling, I'm getting the idea that this may have been 50 years ago? Um, maybe 50 years ago Alcoa had a facility in Mexico where some of the workers slept in tents because it may have been a new installation and the Mexican worker chose to camp out to get a job or be at work on time. I don't know, of course, but without anything but an anecdotal account of such a thing happening, I'm sure there are likely more facts to consider in the account.

My point, of course, is to show how some will grab at all sorts of, apparently unfounded rumors and stories, to feed their anger, hate, distrust of the government that, according to the Sciptures, God says you should honor because those authorities have been put over you by God. Now, I'm not suggesting that the individuals that we set to fill those positions are necessarily put their by God's design or will, but they could be. But I think the Scriptures are clear that the political and governmental divisions that carve up the actual land area of the globe, were established by God. In other words, the nation of Israel was established by God. That Benjamin Netanyahu should be the designated leader of that nation at any particular time probably isn't. I support this understanding by understanding that over the history of Israel as a nation of God's people, He doesn't seem to have approved of many of the individual kings who came to rule over it in their various reigns.

If God does choose the individual leaders in each governmental authority that He establishes, then by denigrating the present administration, are you not going against God's chosen? Just a curious question that I keep coming to when I hear these claims that Donald Trump is God's choice for our president. I mean you must serve a fairly weak god that he can't seem to get his choice to win an election down here on the earth. Such a person would, in my estimation, be serving a pretty small god. And by then denigrating the person that, according to their understanding God must have put them there because they believe that God actually chooses the very people who serve in that position, are they not defying God's will?

Personally, I see America as the beast nation foretold in the Revelation. While I agree that God established the government of the new nation a few hundred years ago, I think it was so that 'the nation' would be here to fulfill its place in that part that we read of in the Revelation. In other words, God raised up the U.S. to be a nation much like He seems to have raised up Babylon against His people to use as their punisher for their continued rebellion. He has raised up the U.S. to be built into a nation that will one day fulfill the prophecies of what the beast nation will be doing. With that understanding, I'm not sure that God does pick our individual leaders.

He just raised up and established the nation because it has a part to play in God's unfolding plan. The leaders, over the years, much like in Israel, get to be chosen by the people and may be good or bad kings.

God bless,
Ted
The Alcoa report was 10 years ago.
 
Really? You believe this. You believe that the man we see representing the U.S. as it's elected leader is a cyborg prototype created by DARPA. Really?

There is no truth in him. He is the father of lies. I'm guessing that doesn't mean much to you.

God bless,
Ted
What else can it be,how else can the P.O.T.U.S loose his sense of direction,seize up,fall down without an emphasis being displayed by most of the mainstream media.D.A.R.P.A needs to get the bugs worked so it doesn't look so suspicious.Its speculation.
 
The Alcoa report was 10 years ago.
Hi Christian Saboteur

So, when you saw them, how many tents would you guess there might have been? What city in Mexico was this plant or facility in? Surely, if I was to call the city someone at city hall, or whatever the Mexican equivalent of such a thing would be, and they could confirm it. I can call Mexico on my plan.

I'm excited to get the scoop on this. Let's do it!

You know, the question just comes to me, but, this wasn't some help camp set up during one of the many floods that they have in various areas in Mexico was it?

I mean, I'm honestly fascinated by the idea. That 10 years ago a plant in Mexico that was part of the Alcoa companies was housing its employees/workers in tents. Were the tents set up like in a field just outside the plant or in the rear of the plant?

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi Christian Saboteur

So, when you saw them, how many tents would you guess there might have been? What city in Mexico was this plant or facility in? Surely, if I was to call the city someone at city hall, or whatever the Mexican equivalent of such a thing would be, and they could confirm it. I can call Mexico on my plan.

I'm excited to get the scoop on this. Let's do it!

You know, the question just comes to me, but, this wasn't some help camp set up during one of the many floods that they have in various areas in Mexico was it?

I mean, I'm honestly fascinated by the idea. That 10 years ago a plant in Mexico that was part of the Alcoa companies was housing its employees/workers in tents. Were the tents set up like in a field just outside the plant or in the rear of the plant?

God bless,
Ted
Ted,you live in a very small world,shut off Fox News and read stuff.I don't have that report,I gave it to my supervisor.Ive searched it again,won't come up,that has been 10-15 years ago.Why would I state all of that if I didn't read with it with my own eyes?.What I do remember was,tents,factory,fence,the report was about human/ labor rights violations by Alcoa in Mexico.The Alternate Reality in the report was in stark contrast to the Pollyanna stuff Alcoa told us about themselves.I know me not having proof of that report now satisfies your politically twisted mindset to proof that you are right.Read about the former head of Alcoa Klaus Kleinfeld,he was a crook!.Ted,start thinking about where we are at,and where we are going,instead of where we have been,improvise,adapt,overcome before the "New America" rolls over you.Look on the brightside Ted,in the future we are going to have a great selection of Taco stands,I like Tacos.By the way,have you ever heard of satire,parody,slapstick?.
 
What else can it be,how else can the P.O.T.U.S loose his sense of direction,seize up,fall down without an emphasis being displayed by most of the mainstream media.D.A.R.P.A needs to get the bugs worked so it doesn't look so suspicious.Its speculation.
You know, I really can't tell if you're having sport with me, or you're serious. Please! Which is it?

What I do remember was,tents,factory,fence,the report was about human/ labor rights violations by Alcoa in Mexico.The Alternate Reality in the report was in stark contrast to the Pollyanna stuff Alcoa told us about themselves.
Yes, but you don't seem to be awake. I'm reading crap like that all over the internet today in bogus stories that people are putting out all over the place. I mean if you walk through the aisle of the grocery store you'll see that Elvis is alive and living in Stalingrad doing private concerts for Putin. So today, when someone makes some claim that seems pretty out there from what I believe the reality of things is, then I seek to find some proof to substantiate it. I'm not one of those who picks a favorite news feed and then everything I read in it is truth just because it's on one of my favorite news sites.

Now you've made a claim that a factory of the multi-national American corporation Alcoa has presently in place, according to your verb usage:
Alcoa has factories in Mexico,the people that work in those factories have nothing,they live in 'Tent Dormitories' at the factory site,they are fenced in


That there is a group of employees/workers that work for Alcoa that aren't making enough money to eke out some meager living on their nation's wage scale. That their economic position is so bad that they are living in 'tent dormitories' somewhere at this plant, one would suppose on the grounds of the plant or very nearby. Now, I've been to Mexico. I was there about 20 years ago. While their standard of living, at that time, was much less than ours, based, of course, on our great standard, they weren't living in tent dormitories. They were a happy people who had homes and lived lives that were generally as full to them as ours seem to be to us. They just didn't have fancy homes and fancy cars parked in the driveways of those homes. Their furniture didn't cost $10,000. but $1,000.

So, when I hear someone saying things like the guy we see on TV is some cyberborg. Yeah, I'm going to check out what they believe to know.

God bless,
Ted
 
I mean, I honestly can't believe that any believer wouldn't support that very same practice. Especially with all the rumors and planted stories that we know! WE KNOW!!!!! are all over the place. That there seems to be a very good sized piece of our citizens that believe them. I'm not one of those people. When I hear things that seem wrong or questionable in what they are trying to convey. And in this place you seem to be trying to convey some problems in Mexico with some agenda of the present administration. Then I want to check out what's going on.

God bless,
Ted
 
Technically, they are undocumented workers. If political correctness is a value for you.

And to work legally you need a work permit. We have a good system. Because the farmers need seasonal workers for there crops there is a scheme in place with the farmers where every year they bring in thousands of workers to harvest the crops, and they get looked after and payed well, then they go back to there home country. Mostly from pacific islands, and it works well, i met one dude who worked hard for a season, saved his money and went back his home country and started a small bussiness.
 
You make a valid point,they are people too,even the ones that 'Break In' to the country.But didn't New York City label itself as a sancturary city?.

I think NY claimed it was so morally great it was going to take care of all the migrants, now they complaining the city is broke and they have no housing for migrsnts because they become overwhelmed.
 
Not sure what anyone expected. I mean if your going to give free housing, food, health care, and cash to thousands of people consistently then a city is going to go broke and run out of housing.
 
Thats why cities are trying to push the citizebs to now take in a family. They cannot provide the housing, getting overwhelmed.
 
All the billionaires have heaps of land and housing and spare rooms in there luxury mansions. The city should go to them. They have all the spare rooms and the money.
 
I think NY claimed it was so morally great it was going to take care of all the migrants, now they complaining the city is broke and they have no housing for migrsnts because they become overwhelmed.
Hi King Dan of Great the 1st

That's actually not a big deal for New York City. They've been in and out of financial problems for years. I remember when they were like 6 months getting the money to start up garbage collection services. In a city like New York, that's a big problem. It's not like around my house. We can drive it out to the country if things get that bad.

But yes, we need a solution to the border. I'm reading that the democrats are about to snooker the republicans into another deal.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...&cvid=22e104dd0ac2486dbfcc99bef8b2995f&ei=100
It's good to see that there are people that want to still do their job.

God bless,
Ted
 
Some do come from cuba and venezuela and other socialist/marxist/communist/authortarian countries. I do understand why they would want to flee to the USA.
Yeah, one pro-Russian governor "got even" with some of those people fleeing Venezuela by putting them on a flight to Martha's Vinyard, feeling sure that "those yankees" wouldn't help them. Instead, the residents got going, provided food and shelter to the refugees and made sure they were cared for.

DeSantis? Maybe Venezuela made him "comrade of the month."
 
Hi King Dan of Great the 1st

That's actually not a big deal for New York City. They've been in and out of financial problems for years. I remember when they were like 6 months getting the money to start up garbage collection services.

Talking about garbage collections, in the biggest city back home, all home owners pay rates and in exchange are supposed to get services, but for some reason now they have to purchase tags for there garbage to be yaken away. The city is obviously broke from its ridiculous over spending and eho knows where alll the moneys gone.

I mean a homeowner pays thousands in annual rates yet they have to pay for water, power, and now garbage removal. Im not sure what services they recieve in exchange for paying rates. Roading i guess would be payed by registration or heavy vehicles road user taxes, and other general taxes, like the tax on a tax on a tax on a tax for gas.
 
Yeah, one pro-Russian governor "got even" with some of those people fleeing Venezuela by putting them on a flight to Martha's Vinyard, feeling sure that "those yankees" wouldn't help them. Instead, the residents got going, provided food and shelter to the refugees and made sure they were cared for.

DeSantis? Maybe Venezuela made him "comrade of the month."

Are the socialist/marxist comrade refugees fleeing venezuela and there once love for socialism?.
 
This is the progressive socialist who ending up becoming leader of the country for years where somehow everyone become more broke and miserable and then she split.

 

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