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[__ Prayer __] pride, self-love

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These are still problems for me :-( . I don't know why. I don't want painful humbling experiences. I've prayed that The Lord will help me develop genuine humility. He put on my heart today that I'm blessed and have been blessed, and I haven't shown proper appreciation+gratitude.

Ugh. Please pray. Thanks. :-)
 
The paths we each have to take in our individual walks with the Lord will be challenging. No one faces the same challenge at the same time. Each challenge is different.

Part of it all is learning & growing process as we go from baby Christians to more mature Christians. The learning never ceases. Therefore, while we each are alive, the challenges will continue.

Learning to be humble is quite the process of its own. It goes against human/sin nature to be truly humble. And it isn't something that can be learned all at one time & then that's it. It's a process. Some of the process is easier than others, but all are beneficial.

You're learning, my friend, growing in His word, and listening to our Lord. That is what is most important as you follow your path :wave2
 
Thanks, as always.


Now that I've recovered from shock "treatment" (and am recovering...memories keep returning...), I see that I was floating through. I was thinking "yay, I got saved. Everything's dandy now...", when really getting saved is a huge turning point, but that's because its the beginning of the journey.

And my journey seems to involve, right now at least, learning some fundamentals of Christian morality+character development. How to show love to people who taunt me and despise me. How to forgive 7x70 and beyond. And...how to be humble, or at least...more humble.

You're right (and insightful) to say that each person's walk with The Lord is a bit different. Mine involves a lot of much needed growing up in general, since a lot of factors combined and my own growing up process was short-circuited in a big, big way.

Thanks again. :-)
 
Just never give up on yourself in your walk, Christ_empowered !

I'm not the same person I was when I first became a Christian. My life has changed, for better & for worse, during the various seasons. Through it all, my eyes, heart & mind were focused on our Lord, and He has always been consistent. His pure love gets me through each and every day!
 
What's behind the pride? Your pain? How did this become an issue? Just wondering.

Praying for you.
 
Pride is a defensive mechanism.
Being aware of that can help you to examine your life to see what it is that you feel you need to be defending about yourself and why.

Nobody likes being perceived as weak and inadequate and, therefore, unlovable. It's dangerous to us because we are so accustomed to the human way of thinking in which only the strong and the charismatic and the beautiful and talented and lovable people of the world gain people's favor. And so it's a natural tendency to think higher than we should about ourselves in order to give the appearance of strength and adequacy and value (whether we really are or not is not the point). It's actually a form of manipulation: Pride is how we show people we are strong, or smart, or whatever, in order to cause them to see we have value to them so they will love and approve of us and treat us well, or fear us and not attempt to harm us.

I know it's tough, but choosing to trust God for what we need in this life instead of resorting to our old sinful ways of getting what we want and need is what we are supposed to do now. It completely grates against what we are conditioned by life and our humanness to think we have to do to get what we need and want.

I don't want painful humbling experiences.
Welcome to the club. Nobody does.
I just had another painful humbling this week about something that needs to change in my heart, mind, and life. And as usual, I dreaded the experience, but when it was over that grand feeling of liberation and victory set in and life is good, God is good.

"11All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness." (Hebrews 12:11 NASB bold)

The secret is to be humble and be changed by the discipline God administers. That's how we get to the 'peaceful fruit of righteousness' part where we rest at ease and live in the abundance that Christ died to give his people.

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" (Isaiah 30:15 NIV)
 
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This was supposedly found on the body of a Civil War soldier. Many variations are floating around on the internet but this is the original as I remember seeing it when I was a kid.....in public school...of all places.
I asked God for strength, that I might achieve
I was made weak, that I might learn humbly to obey
I asked for health, that I might do greater things
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things
I asked for riches, that I might be happy
I was given poverty, that I might be wise
I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God
I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things
I got nothing I asked for, but everything I had hoped for
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered
I am, among all men, most richly blessed.
 
I asked God for strength, that I might achieve
I was made weak, that I might learn humbly to obey

I asked for health, that I might do greater things
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things

I asked for riches, that I might be happy
I was given poverty, that I might be wise

I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God

I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things

I got nothing I asked for, but everything I had hoped for
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered

I am, among all men, most richly blessed.
If this is not truth then nothing is.
These are some of the most profound words ever spoken outside of the Bible.
 
^^^Some nice observations, both of you. I want to add another: the great karate master, Gichin Funakoshi (who introduced karate to Japan proper from Okinawa), speaking on the rigorous training that martial arts involves, wrote in his autobiography, ''You must become not strong but weak". I've noticed only two kinds of people who are not confused by this oft-quoted passage: those who have actually gone through the severe training...and Christians.
 
^^^Some nice observations, both of you. I want to add another: the great karate master, Gichin Funakoshi (who introduced karate to Japan proper from Okinawa), speaking on the rigorous training that martial arts involves, wrote in his autobiography, ''You must become not strong but weak". I've noticed only two kinds of people who are not confused by this oft-quoted passage: those who have actually gone through the severe training...and Christians.
"when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12:10 NASB)
 
hi. I think my pride--which is much, much, much less of an issue now than when before I got saved--is a long standing defense mechanism. I was socially isolated, stressed out, low status, etc. for most of my life. Weird kid, then "loser" teenager, etc. etc. etc. Basically, even whenI was smart enough and all that, I wasn't perceived as "good enough"--not "good enough" for this college, not even "good enough" for proper mental health treatment.

To be fair, with whatever mental illness I have, there's a psychotic element, so I get stuck in my mind more easily and to get a greater extent than I would if I didn't have...whatever this is (Bipolar I or Schizophrenia).

Still, I find that although I'm not pathologically prideful to the point of being straight up narcissistic, and I'm actually humble enough to get along in day to day life, no big problems (usually...), pride+self-love are still there.

I prayed on numerous occasions that God would help me "spot" my pride and self-love. Mental health people call that "insight," I think. So, I prayed that, and God has come through for me.

To be fair, I'm in a strange situation around here. The ex-shrinks+ex-counselors, and actually a lot of people, expect me to "know my place in society." To them, if I'm just pursuing my own interests and living outside of abject poverty, then I'm "uppity" and need to "be humbled," etc. So, with the pride+self-love that remain, when I hear that and sense that, the flesh rears its ugly head and I get more prideful, the self-love goes up a notch (or 2...).

I'm blessed. My people are now "important" enough, have enough $$$, etc. for them to be treated better (they're apparently "genteel," from what I've heard, lol), and also to provide something of a buffer between this hostile community and me. Good for them and definitely a huge, huge blessing for me. So, on the practical level, even though lots of people expect me to "know my place," etc., where the rubber hits the road, I have my parents behind me, protecting me, etc., and they've been facilitating a way forward for me.

Looking back, I think a lot of my pride+self-love, maybe even some of the psychotic stuff was/is rooted in social status and looks. I was a pretty child from a working class, intellectual bohemian family. My people weren't on the same wave length as the other working class people, and most of the middle class people thought they were "weird," because they're not conventional.

So, then, I turned homely as a teenager, and my people hit middle-middle class "respectability," or whatever, but since I was in the Honors and Gifted+Talented classes, most of the kids came from "good" families, a lot of them came from older, established families (its the south), and then the popular ones came from more affluent families. I was dorky and clearly queer, and homely and...ugh. Plus, home life was stressful, to compound the social isolation.

Point is...looking back, I think I kind of withdrew into an inner-world in which I mattered. I was bright back then (I actually know my IQ estimate, lol: 120), but not brilliant or anything. I didn't understand my limitations, I didn't get it, and pride, self-love, plus what I think now may have been the beginnings of psychosis crept in, and...sad times. :-( I was a hot mess.

So, now, I've gone thru being un-smart (IQ estimate: 95, which is in the average range, but I also had --obvious-- brain damage, so I wasn't functioning at that level), straight up ugly, physically sick, --extremely-- mentally ill, all that...

...and now The Lord has made me remarkably normal. I don't know my IQ estimate now, but I write well enough and learn material well enough for what I want to do. I don't have obvious brain damage, which raises some questions (for me...). I"m normal in the face, physically health, my mental problems are well-controlled by standard medication, and...

I think I'm at a point where I can be a normal Christian man. Work-in-progress, no doubt, but for me to be normal enough, at all levels, to be in society, even as a "mental patient" on disability, required a Miracle.

I just sense that pride+self-love are still an issue, and I know now how disastrous and horrible those things can be. I'm also beginning to see that pride+self-love are part of human nature, so on the one hand: hey, its not just me! Hooray! On the other hand...oh man, this could be a lifelong battle. --sigh--

Keep in mind, I lived in a magical, electroshocked fairy land until The Lord willed to restore my senses unto me. I'm starting to think of it that way, now. Brain cells aren't the big issue, neither is diagnosis; I lived in a haze, deprived of my sense, and now I'm remarkably normal, even though I require the psych drugs.

So, yeah. In the haze, I though of getting out of the haze, of getting healthy, of not being prematurely aged (even with good self-care, I had "too much fun when he was younger" written all over me...), as the end point. Guess what? I'm not so much in the haze, I've been made healthy, and I've been made healthy to the point that I'm definitely not prematurely aged. These are very, very good things, and I know I've been blessed. At the same time, its really the beginning of my journey, I think.

OK. Thanks for the prayers, replies, etc. A lot of the replies were helpful and gave me things to ponder. I appreciate it. :-)
 
I don't struggle with pride. I actually have low self esteem. I feel that others are better than me. More talented, more attractive, more creative, smarter. Even though Matt is so good to me, tells me every day that I'm beautiful, I feel unworthy of love. I'm ok looking. I feel that because I'm unattractive no one will love me. This frame of mind began in elementary school by comments made about me by boys. I have a birthmark on my chest and they thought it was ugly... as I grew older various comments made towards me of the same degree. It kind of hurts to talk about, but you are sharing about your issues so I thought I would too. I wonder if anyone can relate... or am I just different.
 
I think we both had fairly normal reactions to messed up circmstances.

A lot of women seem to be hypercritical of themselves, especially with looks. I dunno. Its strange to me...when I was short and ugly, I thought I was the coolest person ever. Now, I'm in the average heigh range and not ugly, but I have more self-doubt.

I was just outside having a cigarette (I --am-- quitting. In the meantime, I take massive doses of antioxidants and b vitamins), and they're talking about me "going to prison" again. They're like a broken record, I swear.

I think I was expected to be dead by 23, so I'm nearly 10 years past my expiration date. I get the sense that I'm p!ssing people off just by staying alive, its that bad.
 
You're quiting smoking? Yay!!!

You know... reading about your neighbors tonight made me laugh. Why? They're so stupid/ignorant. They don't even know you, the true you. They're highly immature and bored with their lives. its so...frustrating to hear you deal with this everyday. :( I pray for them but I don't like their actions.
 
I don't like judging people, but they are rednecks. I mean, it is it what it is.

I'm hoping that everything will simmer down. I get paranoia, anyway, so all this talk of legal stuff bothers me. I'm getting much, much better at dealing it, or I should say Jesus is changing me so I can get through it better.

I appreciate your prayers, btw. I keep you and Matthew up in prayer. :-)
 
You're right. God changes us, not the world. They unfortunately don't belong to Him.

Thanks for the prayers. :) I told Matt you were quitting smoking and he is happy for you! He saw me struggle with it but I beat it and so can you!
 
i couldn't sleep, so i was out on the front porch. not even 5 am yet, and some people were calling me f@ggot. fun times.

I prayed for them and my enemies in general, those who spitefully use me and speak all matter of evil against me falsely. I'm still a little creeped out, but I know Jesus is changing me for the better.
 
I wonder can you distinguish your neighbors from the hallucinations?
 
this time I could. I heard the voices and I turned my head and some woman's voice said "that's how we FEEL about you," and some male voice was all "you ARE a faggot."

It gets rough.
 
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