Proof of Ancient Jewish Existence in Israel

[jasoncran]

jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are jews

Please explain the above. I see a contradiction here and need a bit of clarification just to being to understand the point you were trying to make?

simple, king david was of the tribe of Judah. so was king Solomon etc, but the king of Benjamin(saul) was also from Judah. Judea(yehud) compromise the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. the twelve sons of Jacob are all Hebrew as Abraham was the first "Hebrew" therefore all jews are Hebrews. the tribes of the northern kingdom are not jewish but Hebrew. the northern kingdom did likely speak Hebrew but might have a dialiect of it

 

[jasoncran]

can you show me that david reigned over palenstine? that the jews were called by the romans palenstinians

Below is what your link provided.

The site of Tel Miqne was lightly occupied beginning in the Chalcolithic period and up to the Early Bronze Age. After a 400-year gap when only the upper tel was occupied, the city underwent a major expansion c.1600 BCE, under the Canaanites.

Please tell us all who/what the Canaanites were?

simply any nation that lived there and was wipe out by the isrealites, romans and others. arabs simply put aren't canannites. I am not going to list the entire nations of canaan. simply read the book of Joshua and you will see that.

 

[4crunburg]

it was called Judea.

I googled Judea and got the following "map" during this period which I might add I have added to other maps covering this area. In the map below the land now being called "Israel" was not named Israel but something else and this Judea place was not where Israel is today. Clearly Judea and Israel were not the same place and this I want you to explain. OK?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:12_Tribes_of_Israel_Map.svg

 

[jasoncran]

then you aren't listening! you are claiming to be a Christian right? if your brother tribe conquered land and then lost it but you claim it in his name does that mean you have no right to it? really the jews who never left isreal are the ones who claim the right to live and they based that on the torah, Joshua's conquests and also david's. david's and Solomon's kingdom(both isreal and Judah were under them) that is why they claim it. see the bible for that! books on interest all of kings, chronicles, all of the samuels. the prophecy by Ezekiel 28 , which according to some hasn't been fulfilled. another topic.

our natation is called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RIGHT? THEN why are we not called united states of americans when the whole new world was originally called amerigo? its revalent.. now then the southern kingdom of the Judeans only covered the southern area which you saw. but before the conquest of the romans the hasomean kingdom(of jews) had gain much of isreal back! that makes the claim legal as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty

so please. one would think the jews who wanted the land who had appealed to the brittish powers and the u.n would have told them this!

 

[4crunburg]

Proof of Ancient Jewish Existence in Israel

wow, some carving on a rock just proves that someone carved something on a rock. Too bad they did not date it and sign it too. But wait, I looked and looked for a map of ancient Israel and walla I found it

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg​

The map creator just forgot to add something to the map. Which just makes him/her a poor map maker. Can you guess what it was that the map maker forgot to put on the map? hehe

 

[4crunburg]

However, the land was not a barren land when they got there. They conquered the people who lived on the land and moved in. In return they were conquered and mostly left the land for other places.

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years. It was there in fact that they flourishedand prospered. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian in coldblood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he flees andtakes his fellow Israelites with him. Can anyone here guess what that person’sname was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg
no wait it wasn't on that map either<o:p></o:p>

No wait, it isn’t there either

The above is what really happened.

 

[4crunburg]

However, the land was not a barren land when they got there. They conquered the people who lived on the land and moved in. In return they were conquered and mostly left the land for other places.

The above is the truth, live withit or not, the choice has always been yours to make<o:p></o:p>

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years. It was there in fact that they flourishedand prospered. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian in coldblood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he flees andtakes his fellow Israelites with him. Can anyone here guess what that person’sname was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael <o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg<o:p></o:p>

No wait, it isn’t there either

 

[4crunburg]

The above is the truth, live withit or not, the choice has always been yours to make<o:p></o>

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years. It was there in fact that they flourishedand prospered. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian in coldblood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he flees andtakes his fellow Israelites with him. Can anyone here guess what that person’sname was?<o:p></o>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael <o:p></o>

<o:p> </o>

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg<o:p></o>
no wait, it isn't there either

 

[4crunburg]

simple, king david was of the tribe of Judah.

I looked at a map of Judah and it was not where Israel is today, can you explain this? And then I have this as well


I read the OT so here it goes<o:p></o:p>

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years beginning with Joseph. In fact Joseph got “all” of theIsraelites to pack it up and move to Egypt with none left behind. It was there in fact that they flourishedand multiplied. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian incold blood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he fleesand takes his fellow Israelites with him. Can anyone here guess what thatperson’s name was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg
No wait, Israel is not on that map either<o:p></o:p>

 

[4crunburg]

I read the OT so here it goes<o:p></o:p>

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years beginning with Joseph. In fact Joseph got “all” of theIsraelites to pack it up and move to Egypt with none left behind. It was there in fact that they flourishedand multiplied. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian incold blood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he fleesand takes his fellow Israelites with him marking the great Exodus. Can anyonehere guess what the killers name was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael <o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg<o:p></o:p>

 

[4crunburg]

I read the OT so here it goes<o:p></o:p>
Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years beginning with Joseph. In fact Joseph got “all” of theIsraelites to pack it up and move to Egypt with none left behind. It was there in fact that they flourishedand multiplied. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian incold blood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he fleesand takes his fellow Israelites with him marking the great Exodus. Can anyonehere guess what the killers name was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael <o:p></o:p>

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg<o:p></o:p>

 

[TOG]

I searched for an ancient map of “Israel†and what I got was the following. I found no place called “Israelâ€. Can anyone here explain this?<o:p></o>

http://tinyurl.com/kf4fzfy<o:p></o>

http://tinyurl.com/b4nuq4<o:p></o>

http://tinyurl.com/plbsm76<o:p></o>


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Maybe I'm way off here, but might it be because at least two of them are maps of Egypt and the other is probably from a time before the Exodus, and therefore the existence of Israel? Try this one instead

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The TOG
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[TOG]

However, the land was not a barren land when they got there. They conquered the people who lived on the land and moved in. In return they were conquered and mostly left the land for other places.

Biblically speaking the Israeliteslived in Egypt for hundreds of years. It was there in fact that they flourishedand prospered. It wasn’t until one of their own murders an Egyptian in coldblood. Once done the Pharaoh ordered his arrest and as a result he flees andtakes his fellow Israelites with him. Can anyone here guess what that person’sname was?<o:p></o:p>

Btw I found another map of ancientIsrael

http://tinyurl.com/n5j5wkg
no wait it wasn't on that map either<o:p></o:p>

No wait, it isn’t there eithe
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The above is what really happened.

Another map of Egypt. Why do you think you'll find Israel in a map of Egypt?

The TOG
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[jasoncran]

really? I will do the work for you since king david is well known to be a king of isreal of the past.
http://www.allaboutthebible.net/land-of-israel/maps/

try here. and to show you that king david wasn't a myth

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...archaeologists-khirbet-qeiyafa_n_3620053.html

to the jews theres no denying that david existed.

 

[jasoncran]

ok crunbug, heres the kicker you accept the man moses account of the captivity of isreal but NOT any evidence of the slavery of isreal is found outside the bible. no ramses, nada. the archeologists last time I heard haven't said that the account is real and certainitly don't accept that the red sea parting was real as described.

yet when I use the bible to show what it does say and the how the jews and Christians take the torah and the prophets accounts of isreal, you pick what you want to see. no theologian, nor historian ever says isreal didn't exist and is respected. gee I wonder why. it might linked to the holocause denial. we know that the jews are who they say they are. tests have been done. my brother had some ob-gyn tell him because he is askenazi jewish that his son in utero may be at risk for genetic diseases such as crohns disease and few others and this is due to the close breeding of the jews. I had to explain the history of the jews on that and why its not really inbreeding but markers as each race a marker and risk for illness that can be used to id them!